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Does anyone know what this Andro is called ?
« on: August 14, 2015, 02:55:33 PM »

Played on my Geipel in C minor

http://youtu.be/netsI-LhrA8
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Re: Does anyone know what this Andro is called ?
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2015, 02:59:41 PM »

It's called Gweharall, Pikey. In Les Panards Dansants, we play it in Am.
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Re: Does anyone know what this Andro is called ?
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2015, 03:43:16 PM »

Generally in A (simple) minor  IME,  quite brisk and square (Andro's do that, … gavottes and plinns dawdle)

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBBsMwaLYqk

Thought it was trad though maybe not, first heard it played (Am) by Allain Pennec outside the Castagnari tent, and was hooked!
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Re: Does anyone know what this Andro is called ?
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2015, 04:57:38 PM »

It's in Cm cos it's on my Bb Eb box :-)

I probably heard it on the CD of Alain Pennec I think I've got , or on a compilation

Cracking tune
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Re: Does anyone know what this Andro is called ?
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2015, 05:25:36 PM »

Gweharall isn't on Alain Pennec's CD, Accordéon Diatonique, so it is probably on another of his or on a compilation.

We play it as part of a set: Thème Vannetais in Em followed by Gweharall in Am. This set will almost certainly be played in the Euro-sessions in the Yacht Club during Whitby Folk Week. If you can play it in Am, Pikey, we could give the set an airing in the melnet session.  ;D
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Re: Does anyone know what this Andro is called ?
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2015, 05:29:29 PM »

I've always played that tune much faster, usually in B minor.

I'm not sure it has a definitive title (most Breton tunes don't).  It first got wide circulation when used by the Breton group Tri Yann as the tune for a 19th century broadside.

http://musique.ados.fr/Tri-Yann/Kerfank-1870-t152678.html
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerfank_1870
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEunPF0Vqhw
https://thesession.org/tunes/6932

It's all over the web in several languages.
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Re: Does anyone know what this Andro is called ?
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2015, 06:27:15 PM »

Very nice.
The box also is beautiful!
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Re: Does anyone know what this Andro is called ?
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2015, 06:40:38 PM »

Thanks for that, Jack. I had forgotten that the tune is also known as Kerfank. Like you, I would play it faster than Pikey, at a tempo suitable for an an dro.
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Re: Does anyone know what this Andro is called ?
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2015, 07:56:11 PM »

What exactly is an an dro Bob? What sort of dance goes to it? Lively? Stately? I've only done one or two of the Leeds sessions so far, so I'm very much a beginner in this field. Is there some book or other source that wouild teach me this sort of basics, something on the lines of "French Music for the Hard of Thinking"?
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Re: Does anyone know what this Andro is called ?
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2015, 08:28:33 PM »

Breton line dance (just 6 major forms, every village has its own variation, and tunes) … basically hold hands … step forward/left right to join, then smaller steps back/right left to join, and a swung hand movement. you can follow the flow, but as you link little fingers it hurts when you get it wrong. But with all of 4 steps … it doesn't take long to learn.

Importantly NO  partner. There could be 50 in the line and many lines - they sort of entwine and you get to meet people face to face as they pass.

Rythm is very close to scottiche with a bit of a skip, "sprung" 4/4. Melodies are very simple and there is a lot of inmprovised music. Often they do it to a song - this one Yves le Blanc on stage is typical

   http://youtu.be/lDOgzC3uEyE

You need to get to pannards dansants … just up the road?
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Re: Does anyone know what this Andro is called ?
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2015, 08:40:19 PM »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Dro (I think that must have been written by somebody Irish, it doesn't mention the hands at all)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_hIfObzRtQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDOgzC3uEyE (hand movements are normally smaller and more controlled than that)
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Re: Does anyone know what this Andro is called ?
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2015, 08:16:26 AM »

I like it at the pace I play it  ;)

Plus I think it's much better in Em on a DG box , the chords fit better

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Re: Does anyone know what this Andro is called ?
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2015, 10:15:51 AM »

I do like the pace you play it, and your gentle lead in. Indeed that was "added feeling and expression" to cite a contemporary thread  (:)  But that's to make it … no longer an andro.

I cannot imagine you'd see my "Sherborne: Orange and Blue" (I play it as a waltz) … as Morris? I don't either.
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Re: Does anyone know what this Andro is called ?
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2015, 10:35:32 AM »

I like it at the pace I play it  ;)
Plus I think it's much better in Em on a DG box , the chords fit better
 >:E

The difference is that you are playing the tune purely for pleasure, so you can play it at whatever tempo pleases you, whereas we are playing it for dance and therefore need to play it at a pace suitable for dancing an an dro - faster than you play it, but still at a moderate tempo.

I agree that the chords will fit better in Em on a D/G box, but they also work well in Am. While I like it in Am, it wasn't my choice. Les Panards Dansants already played it in that key when I joined them.
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Re: Does anyone know what this Andro is called ?
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2015, 01:19:58 PM »

So it's a Sandro then , a slow andro  ;)
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Re: Does anyone know what this Andro is called ?
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2015, 01:24:05 PM »

Just tried the tune in Am on DG melodeon which have never though of trying before (normally play it in Em) and it works
Useful experience as I'm going to a local Euro session and trying to fit in with the variety keys they use
Thank you for the useful thoughts
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Re: Does anyone know what this Andro is called ?
« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2015, 02:39:13 PM »

So it's a Sandro then , a slow andro  ;)

ROFL ;D Gotta tell that one to Sandro Castagnari!

Does it really work in Am? It's aolian and would need F accidental, but if that's right way, I guess ::) 
Bm might be OK though. Aolian mode of yer D row … [ed] nope … bellows never stop moving! :-\
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Re: Does anyone know what this Andro is called ?
« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2015, 03:56:44 PM »

Playing this tune in A minor seemed to sound OK to me, have been trying to get into playing in Am to fit in at Euro Sessions
So this tune helped me to get used to using the F accidental
Agree that Em feels more natural to play
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Re: Does anyone know what this Andro is called ?
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2015, 04:32:18 PM »

So it's a Sandro then , a slow andro  ;)
If you add some less than complimentary lyrics it'd be a ... slandro ...(Where's the 'Groan' emoticon?)
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Re: Does anyone know what this Andro is called ?
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2015, 09:42:00 AM »

Yes, Chris, it really does work in Am. If you are at Whitby next week, I will demonstrate it for you. You are right in saying that you need an F natural, but most D/G boxes have one. I also use F natural basses at one point in the B music, which 8-bass boxes won't have, but D basses can be substituted for the Fs.
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