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Zuppa Inglese
« on: July 24, 2009, 10:26:03 PM »

Here's a 48 bar jig that I made up a long time ago.

It has recently been adopted by The Dartmoor Pixie Band and that Matt Quinn chappie.
Today I received a request for the abc from the band Florida.
Having slaved over a hot Barfly for some time this evening (I'm not that familiar with abc!) I thought I would share it with you all.

Zuppa Inglese is Italian for trifle or sometimes custard and literally means English Soup. They sell an ice-cream in that flavour!

X: 1
T: Zuppa Inglese
C: Rees Wesson
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
R: jig
K: G
|:GAG GAB| cBc cde| d2B GAB| A2G E2D|
GAG GAB| cBc cde| d2B GAB| A2A A3:|
gdB fdA| ecG dBG| cAF BGD| DFA GBd|
gdB fdA| ecG dBG| cAF BGD| DFA G3:|
A3 B3| c3 ^c3|ddd [g2d2][fd]| [g2d2][fd] z3|
A3 B3| c3 ^c3|d2A F2A| D3 z3|
A3 B3| c3 ^c3|ddd [g2d2][fd]| [g2d2][fd] z3|
A3 B3| [cG][cG][cG] [cG][cG][cG]|[cG][cG][cG] [cG][cG][cG]|[c2G2]z z3|

Have fun.  :||:
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Re: Zuppa Inglese
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2009, 11:18:12 PM »

Great Tune Rees - wonder whether you'd consider it for the Night Shelter CD, would fit in thematically, particularly as we run a soup kitchen as well?
However, why English? I mean, what's wrong with Cawl with Beef Brisket and Parsley Dumplings - eh?
AL ;D
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Re: Zuppa Inglese
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2009, 12:30:50 AM »

Yum! .... but it doesn't exactly trip off the tongue as a tune title.
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Re: Zuppa Inglese
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2009, 08:02:41 AM »

... ROFL  ;D

I just loaded it in to the (recently much used) ABC navigator on my desk top. Gosh your B segment is lovely!  

C segment is fascinating too - the long final plagal C chord - it has capabilities  >:E
« Last Edit: July 25, 2009, 08:11:40 AM by chrisryall »
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Re: Zuppa Inglese
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2009, 09:20:43 AM »

Yes, it was definitely written as a ROFL tune.
I've always wondered how to describe that last bit - plagal, eh? Good word.
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Re: Zuppa Inglese
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2009, 08:46:10 AM »

I've always wondered how to describe that last bit - plagal, eh? Good word.

Comes from church harmony. Most of our music tends to go {twiddle} dominant chord => tonic; repeat (apart from blues where its ends on a dominant chord with the same effect). Jazzers refer to it as the II V I (latin numerals, two five one). "Perfect cadence"

The dominant chord in G scale is D7 (pull G row notes) with the 'ringing' pair of notes F# and C natural. The others are just 'decoration'

But you've chosen to end on G + C natural which is in essence a C (IV) chord. Plain chanters sang it like this, giving a 'soft' feel to their final bars, with no  'V' push back into the original chord. But they wanted to sing it soft. A monk's dominant bit came later, when the the flagellants got the whips out  >:E (hope Al isn't still listening)!

  IV => I cadence is also called 'Amen' cadence for this reason

You get the same musical feel when you pull an Am chord on the right hand .. Plagal progression .. next note could go anywhere. The alternative of moving a finger to the D row for C# produces an A7 chord .. Dominant progression. The G and C# ring together and force subsequent notes into key of D

Here endeth the lesson   8)


« Last Edit: July 26, 2009, 08:48:48 AM by chrisryall »
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Re: Zuppa Inglese
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2009, 10:28:16 PM »

It's a grand tune, however you dissect it. Even I could play it at first sight, though I suspect it has a lot more depth than that! I am looking forward to learning it properly, which I (again!) suspect is going to take some time.  ;)
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Re: Zuppa Inglese
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2009, 10:45:05 AM »

Here's a 48 bar jig that I made up a long time ago.

So when you are congratulated on this tune you can have the joy of saying " That tune? 'Tis but a trifle"
Fantastic.

See you at Sidders!

Simon
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Re: Zuppa Inglese
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2009, 11:32:25 AM »

I've always wondered how to describe that last bit - plagal, eh? Good word.

Comes from church harmony. Most of our music tends to go {twiddle} dominant chord => tonic; repeat (apart from blues where its ends on a dominant chord with the same effect). Jazzers refer to it as the II V I (latin numerals, two five one). "Perfect cadence"

The dominant chord in G scale is D7 (pull G row notes) with the 'ringing' pair of notes F# and C natural. The others are just 'decoration'

But you've chosen to end on G + C natural which is in essence a C (IV) chord. Plain chanters sang it like this, giving a 'soft' feel to their final bars, with no  'V' push back into the original chord. But they wanted to sing it soft. A monk's dominant bit came later, when the the flagellants got the whips out  >:E (hope Al isn't still listening)!

  IV => I cadence is also called 'Amen' cadence for this reason

You get the same musical feel when you pull an Am chord on the right hand .. Plagal progression .. next note could go anywhere. The alternative of moving a finger to the D row for C# produces an A7 chord .. Dominant progression. The G and C# ring together and force subsequent notes into key of D

Here endeth the lesson   8)


Thanks Chris ( and Rees for starting this, great tune, I got it quickly from the ABc, can't you put it on Youtube?)


Chris, I've just been messing with the old plagals and it leads off into all sorts, Amen for that.  I suppose the lack of a third leaves it open to go to all over the place. From just a Gc I was into half a dozen songs and lots of half remembered modal tunes and hymns. Great!



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Re: Zuppa Inglese
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2009, 11:45:12 AM »

[ can't you put it on Youtube?)







I'll have a go with my camera but not sure how it will turn out.
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Re: Zuppa Inglese
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2009, 12:52:11 PM »

[ can't you put it on Youtube?]


I'll have a go with my camera but not sure how it will turn out.

Cool.  I would be great to hear how you go about it, particularly that last section, which seems to require a lot more, erm, 'something', than just following the notes as writtten.
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Re: Zuppa Inglese
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2009, 03:06:26 PM »

All will be revealed.  :D
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Re: Zuppa Inglese
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2009, 07:05:49 PM »

Oh Good, because I can't get to grips with the secret code!! (well not whilst the children are at home, surprised I even found the computer free). Looking forward to hearing it  (:)

Cheers

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Re: Zuppa Inglese
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2009, 09:20:51 PM »

Maybe it is actually a close relative of a mazurka which goes lookaly by the name of Lumpy Custard:

X: 196
T:Lumpy Custard
M:3/4
L:1/8
K:G
D2 GF G2|D2 BA B2|cB AG FG|AG FE D2|
D2 GF G2|D2 BA B2|cB AG FA|1 A2 G2 z2:|2 A2 G2 Bc||
d2 de dc|B2 G2 AB|c2 cd cB|A4 Bc|d2 de dc|B2 G2 AB|
cB AG FA|1 A2 G2 Bc:|2 A2 G2 z2||

Does it have a real name?

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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2009, 03:50:20 PM »

OK, after much palaver, I've finally managed to get a video of Zuppa Inglese on to YouTube.
Picture quality is not the best and the sound is out of sync, but it's the best I can do with my equipment. I do make a couple of mistakes but I always did go to pieces in front of the camera.

Please note that I have a D pull on button 1, G row. Those without will need to play that arpeggio on the D row push.

Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04N851Uuffc
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Re: Zuppa Inglese
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2009, 04:07:21 PM »

Splendid job, Rees. I rather like one of the related selections: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0cUwfhX6eo&feature=related
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Re: Zuppa Inglese
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2009, 04:27:15 PM »

Si, certo, Zuppa Inglese e non Inglese! Porco, cane, donna miseria.  :(
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Re: Zuppa Inglese
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2009, 05:05:26 PM »

That's great - now I understand that last section.   (:)
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Re: Zuppa Inglese
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2009, 05:05:44 PM »

Great vid Rees - the slight mis-sync adds a certain je ne sais quoi to the soup, but its a great tune!
Thanks
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Re: Zuppa Inglese
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2009, 05:20:33 PM »

I do make a couple of mistakes but I always did go to pieces in front of the camera.


Did the BBC know.....?

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