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Robin

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Nameless jig played by John Kirkpatrick
« on: February 01, 2019, 05:41:39 PM »

Nice concert by John Kirkpatrick and Alan Harris:
http://archivesdufolk59-62.blogspot.com/2009/10/john-kirkpatrick.html

Does anyone know the name of the first jig they play (paired with Nipper) on the 7th track?
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Re: Nameless jig played by John Kirkpatrick
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2019, 06:25:46 PM »

Pepper in the brandy

It is the first tune in track one of both these CDs by The John Kirkpatrick Band

Force of Habit  Fledg'ling Records FLED 3007 (1996)
The Complete John Kirkpatrick Band  Fledg'ling Records FLED 3091 (a double CD compilation, 2013)

where it is paired with The Sweet-Coloured Linnet
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Re: Nameless jig played by John Kirkpatrick
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2019, 07:39:12 PM »

Hi Alan,

Thanks.
I Know Pepper in the Brandy is the name of the 1st track. It's also on Going Spare (Free Reed Records FRR 030 (LP, UK, 1978)).

But I'm looking for the name of the 1st Jig on the 7th track  (:) (attached files)
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Re: Nameless jig played by John Kirkpatrick
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2019, 12:06:19 AM »

Pepper in the brandy
Otherwise known (among Lizzie Dripping musicians) as 'Dennis is a bastard'.
Who Dennis is, or was, and how he earned his soubriquet, remains a mystery. But the words fit the tune, which we use for one of our dances.
http://www.lizziedripping.org.uk/bolehillaudio.html
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Re: Nameless jig played by John Kirkpatrick
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2019, 03:15:46 AM »

Hi Robin,

I don't recognize it from any of JK's albums, and I checked my copy of his "Jump at the Sun" tunebook (which does contain some tunes that don't have readily available recordings) and I don't see it in there either.

Thanks for the link to the concert recording - I snagged that as quick as I could. 8)
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Re: Nameless jig played by John Kirkpatrick
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2019, 10:24:45 AM »

Do you think it could be a song tune or pastiche of one?  You can almost here him singing.
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Re: Nameless jig played by John Kirkpatrick
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2019, 10:59:55 AM »

Robin,

Aplogies for the misunderstanding.

I had tried to ignore Mediafire's demand to disable my ad-blocker [I do object to that!] and, in response, was allowed to download only the very first track.   I have now managed to get the entire .rar file - switch off ad-block, grab, run and re-enable blocker.

But no identification of the tunes yet, I'm afraid.  Would JK still have his set list from this concert? It was rather a long time ago.
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Re: Nameless jig played by John Kirkpatrick
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2019, 11:28:24 AM »

Otherwise known (among Lizzie Dripping musicians) as 'Dennis is a bastard'.
Who Dennis is, or was, and how he earned his soubriquet, remains a mystery. But the words fit the tune, which we use for one of our dances.
http://www.lizziedripping.org.uk/bolehillaudio.html

Lizzie Dripping are not the only ones to spot a danceable tune

Bristol Morris Men
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVeLwJMYDnY
shown dancing Pepper in the brandy [with the accompaniment of a wonderfully active and vocal dog].
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Re: Nameless jig played by John Kirkpatrick
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2019, 06:15:42 AM »

Thanks again Robin for pointing us at this recording! I hope if anyone finds more "bootleg" JK concert recordings like this they will pass them on as well!

I had a listen to the whole recording and identified all the pieces I could so I could label the tracks. I just have four unknowns left: this track 7a, the tune following Seventeen Come Sunday in 11b, and the two tunes in track 12. Can anyone identify any of those tunes?

Here's my track list for those interested:

01 Pepper in the Brandy
02 Saint George
03 Johnny Sands
04 The Buffoon / The Quaker
05 The Gypsy Laddie
06 The Watercress Girl
07 Unknown / Nipper
08 Young Susan on Board of a Man-of-War
09 Poor Old Horse
10 Garrick's Delight / The Flaxley Green Dance
11 Seventeen Come Sunday / Unknown
12 Unknown / Unknown
13 The Candlelight Fisherman
14 The Oakham Poachers
15 So There I Was / Rosy Cheeks and Purple Bloomers / Bridget's Delight and Fancy
16 Maybe She'll Write Me
17 Get a Little Table
18 The Gas Almost Works
19 The New St. George
20 The Bells
21 Whitefryer's Hornpipe / Shreds and Patches
22 We Sing Hallelujah
23 Here We Go Round the Mulberry Bush / Bobby Shafto

Tracks 1, 2, 7b, 15, 18, and 21b were written by John Kirkpatrick. Tracks 19 and 22 are by Richard Thompson. The rest are traditional as far as I know.

I'm not sure if the final track is actually "Here We Go Round the Mulberry Bush" or just something that sounds similar. The second half is definitely the sword dance version of Bobby Shafto, though.
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Re: Nameless jig played by John Kirkpatrick
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2019, 09:26:06 AM »

I'm not sure if the final track is actually "Here We Go Round the Mulberry Bush" or just something that sounds similar.

It could be Nancy Dawson, reputedly by Thomas Arne and included in John's production, The Beggar's Opera in 1728, which was, more or less, a piss take of Italian opera.

Originally it was just called A Hornpipe, but was  re-titled to something like Nancy Dawson's Hornpipe in the 1759 revival that she featured in, entertaining the crowd with her dancing between acts.

aka Here We Go Gathering Nuts In May
aka Piss On The Grass (no idea why) in Walsh's Caladonian Country Dances, 1744).

An extremely popular tune in the 18th C and still used for morris and country dancing today

Words were set to it: The Ballad Of Nancy Dawson, which starts-
Of all the girls in our town,
The red, the black, the fair, the brown,
That dance and prance it up and down,
There's none like Nancy Dawson.

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Re: Nameless jig played by John Kirkpatrick
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2019, 05:57:37 PM »

11b sounds rather like a heavily 'arranged and adapted' version of Salmon tails up the water (certainly in the B part).

Is there any other evidence of what JohnK was doing back in 1979?
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Re: Nameless jig played by John Kirkpatrick
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2019, 07:05:31 PM »

11b sounds rather like a heavily 'arranged and adapted' version of Salmon tails up the water (certainly in the B part).

That’s what I thought when I listened to the album last week. If it isn’t, could it be “Freedom for Ireland” aka “Not Salmon Tails”, which is very similar?
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Re: Nameless jig played by John Kirkpatrick
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2019, 07:25:27 PM »

Is there any other evidence of what JohnK was doing back in 1979?

There's a general gig history section on his website: https://www.johnkirkpatrick.co.uk/gighistory.asp

This set list is heavily weighed towards things that had recently appeared on his records or soon would, although there are a few surprises. E.g., "The Bells" was already in concert rotation in 1979 but he didn't put it on an album until 1999!
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Re: Nameless jig played by John Kirkpatrick
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2019, 07:28:24 PM »

I was thinking 12b sounds a bit like a breakneck speed version of "The Abram Circle Dance" but perhaps I'm just mixing it up with something that has some similar melodic phrases.
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