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Tune of the Month for January 2011 - La Marianne
« on: January 01, 2011, 12:34:44 AM »

We have a new tune to play - La Marianne, a wonderfully pretty yet simple waltz written by Frederic Paris of La Chavannee (he who wrote Le Canal en Octobre).

Here's a couple of videos to get us going...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEuQ81GV8wU

and a Luca Celano tutorial,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtSP7jrAC8I&

Lester, have you got an ABC for this please?

Cheers,

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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2011 - La Marianne
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2011, 01:17:05 AM »

Here are two ABC versions, one in C suitable for playing on a G/C box, t' other in G for a D/G box.


X:1
T:La Marianne
C:Frederic Paris
M:3/4
L:1/4
Q:170
R:Valse
O:France
A:Bourbonnais
K:C
cec | g3 | faf | ed2 | cec | g3 | fed | c3 |
cec | g3 | faf | ed2 | cec | g3 | fef | g3 ||
|: f a/f/d/f/ | e g/e/c/e/ | d f/d/B/d/ | c e/c/g/c/ |
f a/f/d/f/ | e g/e/c/e/ | d f/d/B/d/ | c3 :|]


X:2
T:La Marianne
T:version in G
C:Frederic Paris
M:3/4
L:1/4
Q:170
R:Valse
O:France
A:Bourbonnais
K:G
 GBG | d3 | cec | BA2 | GBG | d3 | cBA | G3 |
GBG | d3 | cec | BA2 | GBG | d3 | cBc | d3 ||
|: c e/c/A/c/ | B d/B/G/B/ | A c/A/F/A/ | G B/G/d/G/ |
c e/c/A/c/ | B d/B/G/B/ | A c/A/F/A/ | G3 :|]
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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2011 - La Marianne
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2011, 08:20:42 AM »

Here's another Youtube version which sticks more closely to the ABC notes. There are also some nice variations of the A music later on in the recording.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBq_RWzbowM
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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2011 - La Marianne
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2011, 08:29:08 AM »

I determine that on my G/C/F Hohner I should play this song in "F"
Yes - this tune goes nicely on the inside row of any melodeon, so F would indeed be a good key. Nice and mellow.  :|glug

I note you use the word 'song'. Are there lyrics (words) to La Marianne? If so, please share them with us. I should like to learn them.
Or are you using the word 'song' in in its (regrettably) increasingly modern internet-driven meaning as a synonym for 'tune'?

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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2011 - La Marianne
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2011, 05:15:43 PM »

Does this tune include any chords that are not "built in" the basses? It doesn't sound standard, or is that just my impression of it?
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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2011 - La Marianne
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2011, 06:08:23 PM »

Does this tune include any chords that are not "built in" the basses? It doesn't sound standard, or is that just my impression of it?
There's an e-minor on the second bar of the A section.  This requires you to play the E bass (push) and then the G chord (push).  So, it's an e-minor 7, I think.  The tutorial that Clive linked to shows it pretty clearly.  The B section is a very standard IV-I-V-I that shows you how beautiful standard chord progressions can be!
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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2011 - La Marianne
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2011, 06:17:20 PM »

Here are two ABC versions, one in C suitable for playing on a G/C box, t' other in G for a D/G box.


X:1
T:La Marianne
C:Frederic Paris
M:3/4
L:1/4
Q:170
R:Valse
O:France
A:Bourbonnais
K:C
cec | g3 | faf | ed2 | cec | g3 | fed | c3 |
cec | g3 | faf | ed2 | cec | g3 | fef | g3 ||
|: f a/f/d/f/ | e g/e/c/e/ | d f/d/B/d/ | c e/c/g/c/ |
f a/f/d/f/ | e g/e/c/e/ | d f/d/B/d/ | c3 :|]

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If one sticks the C version (which am trying in its own right) into tunotron converter and change the K:C to K:F is that a version in F which it produces ??? ???
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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2011 - La Marianne
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2011, 06:23:57 PM »

Thanks for the tip.  I did not know the tune-o-tron would change keys for you that way. ;D
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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2011 - La Marianne
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2011, 08:19:10 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqrZpYVwzIE

This was the first Frederic Paris tune I ever heard and one of the first I learned.  I play close to the pace he does on Carnet de Bal, but I have no way of checking because that cassette died years ago.  I do remember playing it in France and being told, "Faster!  Faster!"

The other thing is that the variations that Paris plays are great, so, whenever I play I try to do variations, but always find them a bit disappointing.  I was going to NOT do variations for this recording, but then I did.  Live in the moment.
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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2011 - La Marianne
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2011, 09:09:21 PM »

Thanks for the tip.  I did not know the tune-o-tron would change keys for you that way. ;D
Nor do I, which was I was asking My FleeLeader for reassurance and then have a go on my CF! ??? ::)
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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2011 - La Marianne
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2011, 01:40:19 PM »

Or are you using the word 'song' in in its (regrettably) increasingly modern internet-driven meaning as a synonym for 'tune'?
It seems to come from a marketing concept.  MP3 machines can record so many "songs".  What they won't tell you is how few seconds they consider a "song" to last.  If I want to record a performance will it last?  GOK  Follows on from the use of various invented ways of measuring Watts output.  RMS has meaning - music power does not.

Likewise, what the media calls a band is by definition a choir, or more accurately a bunch of talentless twats groaning & squeaking into a tune-o-matic.

Yes, its Sunday and my plans have gone down the tubes as everyone else is ill or shopping (!!!??)  So why can't I get this tune right?

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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2011 - La Marianne
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2011, 04:08:55 PM »

If one sticks the C version (which am trying in its own right) into tunotron converter and change the K:C to K:F is that a version in F which it produces ??? ???
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I have no idea (I doubt it) but here's a conversion to F if you want one:
(done with abc2abc on my trusty command line which does what I tell it to)

X: 1
T:La Marianne
C:Frederic Paris
M:3/4
L:1/4
Q:1/4=170
R:Valse
O:France
A:Bourbonnais
K:Fmaj
FAF | c3 | BdB | AG2 | FAF | c3 | BAG | F3 |
FAF | c3 | BdB | AG2 | FAF | c3 | BAB | c3 ||
|: B d/2B/2G/2B/2 | A c/2A/2F/2A/2 | G B/2G/2E/2G/2 | F A/2F/2c/2F/2 |
B d/2B/2G/2B/2 | A c/2A/2F/2A/2 | G B/2G/2E/2G/2 | F3 :|]
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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2011 - La Marianne
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2011, 05:03:57 PM »

Does this tune include any chords that are not "built in" the basses? It doesn't sound standard, or is that just my impression of it?
There's an e-minor on the second bar of the A section.  This requires you to play the E bass (push) and then the G chord (push).  So, it's an e-minor 7, I think.  The tutorial that Clive linked to shows it pretty clearly.  The B section is a very standard IV-I-V-I that shows you how beautiful standard chord progressions can be!

But there is no E bass on a D/G box as far as I know. Or are you talking about a G/C box here? I tried the B bass and D chord on the D/G box but didn't think it sounded right (The B bass was ok but not the D chord after). The guy with the wee box in the video played a cleaner chord than that.
Can it be that it sounds different because my box is one voiced??
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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2011 - La Marianne
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2011, 06:03:59 PM »

Here we go! Its odd how as soon as you get in front of a microphone your playing goes out the window, I play it beautifully normally, honest  ;)

Tried changing from oom pah pah towards the end of the clip, will be interesting to see what other people have done

http://www.onmvoice.com/play.php?a=36893
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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2011 - La Marianne
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2011, 06:28:20 PM »

For F - I watched the man with the little melodeon and I think he is doing basses similar to the tutorial.  So I determined -

In "G":       In "F":

So if you take the bass sheet music from the tutorial and change from G to F.  This is what I think he's doing, I could be wrong.  Hope this helps someone. 
Tks Ben and Anah! (:)
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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2011 - La Marianne
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2011, 06:39:52 PM »

If one sticks the C version (which am trying in its own right) into tunotron converter and change the K:C to K:F is that a version in F which it produces ??? ???
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I have no idea (I doubt it) but here's a conversion to F if you want one:
(done with abc2abc on my trusty command line which does what I tell it to)

Yup - your doubt was probably right as my conversion trick produced the same score as the C (but with a flat symbol thrown in for appearances sake!)
Your's looks more McCoy! tks again.
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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2011 - La Marianne
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2011, 07:40:36 PM »

So if you take the bass sheet music from the tutorial and change from G to F.  This is what I think he's doing, I could be wrong.  Hope this helps someone. 

Where might I find the "bass sheet music from the tutorial"? I'm sure it will be perfectly obvious when someone gives me a clue, but right now I'm totally mystified. 
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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2011 - La Marianne
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2011, 09:09:06 PM »

Sorry about that.  Here is the tutorial in (I believe) D/G melodeon played in G:

http://bellowsandstrings.blogspot.com/2010/03/la-marianne.html

You will find sheet music for the melody and the basses on that page.  Here is the youtube where he shows you how to play the tune:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtSP7jrAC8I&

Much thanks from me to L. Celano for providing thes fine resources.  Hope this helps, Ben
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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2011 - La Marianne
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2011, 09:14:06 PM »

There's an e-minor on the second bar of the A section.  This requires you to play the E bass (push) and then the G chord (push).  So, it's an e-minor 7, I think.  The tutorial that Clive linked to shows it pretty clearly.  The B section is a very standard IV-I-V-I that shows you how beautiful standard chord progressions can be!
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But there is no E bass on a D/G box as far as I know. Or are you talking about a G/C box here? I tried the B bass and D chord on the D/G box but didn't think it sounded right (The B bass was ok but not the D chord after). The guy with the wee box in the video played a cleaner chord than that.
Can it be that it sounds different because my box is one voiced??

No, you're right.  I'm playing it on a G/C box.  You'd have to transcribe appropriately for a D/G box.  That would be B Bass (push) followed by D Chord (push push).  Sorry for the confusion.

Also, I very much enjoy the version in the tutorial but don't use those basses for the B section.  I use a simple IV-I-V-I, as Paris does.  That's F-C-G(pull)-C on my G/C, which would be D-G-A(pull)-D on the D/G. Which isn't to say this is "the right way."
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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2011 - La Marianne
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2011, 09:49:22 PM »

Sorry about that.  Here is the tutorial in (I believe) D/G melodeon played in G:

http://bellowsandstrings.blogspot.com/2010/03/la-marianne.html

You will find sheet music for the melody and the basses on that page. 

Thanks so much. As I suspected, perfectly obvious once I scrolled down the page.
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