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William Taylor's Tabletop Hornpipe
« on: August 25, 2011, 08:25:57 AM »

Has anyone got an ABC for this tune, please?  I can't seem to find it in Em, which was the key I was expecting to find it in.
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Re: William Taylor's Tabletop Hornpipe
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2011, 08:46:22 AM »

Has anyone got an ABC for this tune, please?  I can't seem to find it in Em, which was the key I was expecting to find it in.

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X:1
T:William Taylors Tabletop Hornpipe
M:4/4
K:Emin
E2 E2 EFGE | FGFE D2 B,2 | B2 B2 ABAG | FEDE FGAF |
E2 E2 EFGE | FGFE D2 B,2 | BAGF EGFD  | E2 E2 E4 :||
BGEG B2 B2 | AFDF A2 A2 | GFED E2 EG | FEDE F2 F2 |
BGEG B2 B2 | AFDF A2 A2 | GFED EGFD | E2 E2 E4 :||
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Re: William Taylor's Tabletop Hornpipe
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2011, 08:48:48 AM »

Lester, you're a scholar and a gent.  Many thanks!
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Re: William Taylor's Tabletop Hornpipe
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2011, 03:43:10 PM »


Your wish etc

X:1
T:William Taylors Tabletop Hornpipe
M:4/4
K:Emin
E2 E2 EFGE | FGFE D2 B,2 | B2 B2 ABAG | FEDE FGAG |
E2 E2 EFGE | FGFE D2 B,2 | BAGF EGFD  | E2 E2 E4 :||
BGEG B2 B2 | AFDF A2 A2 | GFED E2 EG | FEDE F2 F2 |
BGEG B2 B2 | AFDF A2 A2 | GFED EGFD | E2 E2 E4 :||
According to my Blowzabella tunebook and Dave Shepherd (who wrote the tune), the last note in bar 4 should be F#, not G. Like this:
E2 E2 EFGE | FGFE D2 B,2 | B2 B2 ABAG | FEDE FGAF |

Original key is G minor.
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Re: William Taylor's Tabletop Hornpipe
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2011, 04:12:39 PM »

According to my Blowzabella tunebook and Dave Shepherd (who wrote the tune), the last note in bar 4 should be F#, not G. Like this:
E2 E2 EFGE | FGFE D2 B,2 | B2 B2 ABAG | FEDE FGAF |

Original key is G minor.


Slipshod transposing on my part  :|bl

Thanks Steve, original corrected.

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Re: William Taylor's Tabletop Hornpipe
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2013, 12:57:37 PM »

Somebody recently put up a Soundcloud of it in a very fancy arrangement with a lot of instruments (multi-tracked?) but I can't find it now.  Anyone got the link?

BTW is it usual not to swing this tune and to play it as fast as the versions like Lester's?  I don't think I've got Blowzabella's own recording of it.  It seems more effective to me slower and heavily swung.
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Re: William Taylor's Tabletop Hornpipe
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2013, 01:26:44 PM »

Somebody recently put up a Soundcloud of it in a very fancy arrangement with a lot of instruments (multi-tracked?) but I can't find it now.  Anyone got the link?

BTW is it usual not to swing this tune and to play it as fast as the versions like Lester's?  I don't think I've got Blowzabella's own recording of it.  It seems more effective to me slower and heavily swung.

Just tried it slower and swingyer and you have a point.

BUT here is David Shepard, who wrote it, playing it - second tune in the set.

ps Far too fast for me

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Re: William Taylor's Tabletop Hornpipe
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2013, 01:34:42 PM »

Interesting quote from DS on the video:

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This is a definitive version of William Taylor's and hopefully all the clodhopping, galumphing border morris teams who play this will listen to the B music and learn to play it properly. It is in G minor, so fiddlers, stand your ground and don't be browbeaten into playing it in E minor by the malodorous melodeons

That's fighting talk  ;D
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Re: William Taylor's Tabletop Hornpipe
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2013, 01:54:04 PM »

I've always played in in A minor, learned from Anthony Bearon (in Gog Magog Molly at the time), who had a 12 bass box that could do the F chord in the A music. I don't think he played the low F in the B music though - GM would mercilessly mangle any tune to make it playable.

It hadn't even occurred to me to try playing in in E minor, but actually with my usual low notes tuning (providing a C natural) it should at least be possible to get the whole tune right in that key.

So ideally it would need an F/B♭ box to do the tune in G minor as required by DS. Or a C/F if it's got a low E♭... [ goes off to experiment ]

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Re: William Taylor's Tabletop Hornpipe
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2013, 03:55:00 PM »

I've actually been trying it on an 11-hole C ocarina.  A minor, G minor and E minor work equally well - the instrument is limited in range but not in key.  I can't go any lower than E minor, and the highest I can get it is B flat minor.
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Re: William Taylor's Tabletop Hornpipe
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2013, 12:12:53 AM »

I've always played in in A minor, learned from Anthony Bearon (in Gog Magog Molly at the time), who had a 12 bass box that could do the F chord in the A music. I don't think he played the low F in the B music though - GM would mercilessly mangle any tune to make it playable.

It hadn't even occurred to me to try playing in in E minor, but actually with my usual low notes tuning (providing a C natural) it should at least be possible to get the whole tune right in that key.

So ideally it would need an F/B♭ box to do the tune in G minor as required by DS. Or a C/F if it's got a low E♭... [ goes off to experiment ]

 Possible on most 2.5 row D/G boxes with the Bb in the right direction.
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Re: William Taylor's Tabletop Hornpipe
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2013, 01:39:55 AM »

Not entirely sure I like Becky's C major chord, but I'm sure I'd not have noticed has I been at Kinnersley, dancing.

Malodorous melodeons?  :o OK, lets go for it in G minor. Lovely key, all said and done
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Re: William Taylor's Tabletop Hornpipe
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2013, 12:05:08 PM »

I've always liked this wonderful tune composed by Dave Shepherd of Blowzabella and I've been interested in the development of this thread. The key of G minor is not so good for D/G melodeons although possible if you have the right accidentals (as well as Bb, you need a low F natural which is only normally found on 2.5- or 3-row boxes). Transposing it into E minor is the obvious solution for D/G players, but Dave Shepherd seems not to like this - perhaps because it makes the whole tune sound too low and muddy. G minor is much more feasible on a C/F box, where the playing is based mainly on the inside row, like Am on a D/G box. But as already noted by Anahata, you need the low Eb accidental too, so you need a Club II box as a minimum spec. I think.

Dave Shepherd's acerbic comment about the B-music being played incorrectly by many musicians is addressed in the 'definitive' ABC below. Enjoy!

X:1
T:William Taylor's Tabletop Hornpipe
C:Dave Shepherd
S:Encyclopaedia Blowzabellica and Dave Shepherd's playing on Youtube recording http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjZUmIw0sWk accessed 15th July 2013.
N:Transcribed into ABC by Steve Freereeder, 15th July 2013.
M:2/2
K:Gmin
P:A
|: G2 G2 GABG | ABAG F2 D2 | d2 d2 cdcB | AGFG ABcA |
G2 G2 GABG | ABAG F2 D2 | dcBA GBAF  |1 G2 G2 G2 D2 :|2 G2 G2 G2 d2 ||
P:B
|: dBGB d2 d2 | cAFA c2 c2 | BAGF G2 GB | AGFG A2 A2 |
dBFB d2 d2 | cGEG c2 c2 | BAGF GBAF |1 G2 G2 G2 d2 :|2 G2 G2 G4 |]
W:
W:Dave Shepherd writes (notes on the Youtube recording):
W:"This is a definitive version of William Taylor's and hopefully all the clodhopping,
W:galumphing border morris teams who play this will listen to the B music and learn
W:to play it properly. It is in G minor, so fiddlers, stand your ground and don't be
W:browbeaten into playing it in E minor by the malodorous melodeons"
W:
W:Dave's comment about playing the B music "properly" is to highlight the difference
W:between bars 1 and 2 of the B music and bars 5 and 6 of the B music. They are rarely
W:played correctly by others, which is such a pity, as this difference adds an extra
W:"something" to an already fantastic tune.
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Re: William Taylor's Tabletop Hornpipe
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2013, 01:33:17 PM »

G minor is much more feasible on a C/F box, where the playing is based mainly on the inside row, like Am on a D/G box. But as already noted by Anahata, you need the low Eb accidental too, so you need a Club II box as a minimum spec. I think.

I must try this when I get home (having pontificated but not actually tested the theory). I'm not sure the Club box with 4 buttons on the half-row has that E♭ - the 7 button one certainly has.

Also I'm becoming increasingly convinced that my D/G melodeons need the G row 3rd button push D changed to an F natural. The D row has a perfectly good push D that doesn't need duplicating. That would supply the necessary note for doing WTTH correctly in A minor, as well as a number of other interesting pieces like The Waterman's Hornpipe.

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Dave Shepherd's acerbic comment about the B-music being played incorrectly by many musicians is addressed in the 'definitive' ABC below. Enjoy!
Thanks for that. I'm remembering so many wrong and right versions now, I'm losing track of which is which  :Ph
I'm sure I can trust your transcription accuracy  ;)
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Re: William Taylor's Tabletop Hornpipe
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2013, 02:34:29 PM »

G minor is much more feasible on a C/F box, where the playing is based mainly on the inside row, like Am on a D/G box. But as already noted by Anahata, you need the low Eb accidental too, so you need a Club II box as a minimum spec. I think.

I must try this when I get home (having pontificated but not actually tested the theory). I'm not sure the Club box with 4 buttons on the half-row has that E♭ - the 7 button one certainly has.
I think you are right - I checked the (written) notes which I made when fettling someone else's Club II with 4 buttons on the half-row. The accidentals were F#4/G#4, Eb5/C#5, D5/Eb5, F#5/G#5

Also I'm becoming increasingly convinced that my D/G melodeons need the G row 3rd button push D changed to an F natural. The D row has a perfectly good push D that doesn't need duplicating. That would supply the necessary note for doing WTTH correctly in A minor, as well as a number of other interesting pieces like The Waterman's Hornpipe.
Now there's an interesting idea! Trouble is, I'm so used to that push D on the G row, I think it would fry my brain cell trying to make the change. I wouldn't mind giving it a try though. Do you think the push D reed would be able to be tuned up by 3 semitones? I think that's possibly a bit too much and maybe the best way would be to get a couple of F#/F# accordion reeds from a scrap box, and tune the push reeds down a semitone.

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Re: William Taylor's Tabletop Hornpipe
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2013, 04:20:06 PM »

I am about to learn the tune in Gm, having played it in Em for several years. Has anyone worked out an interesting bass accompaniment to the Gm version of the tune, which would save me reinventing the wheel. If not, I shall see what I can devise for myself.

I am sure this question has been asked before, but who was William Taylor and why was his hornpipe performed on a table?
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Re: William Taylor's Tabletop Hornpipe
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2013, 05:40:06 PM »

William Taylor was a brisk young sailor
Who had courted a lady gay.
Bell's were ringing, birds were singing
As to church they did repair.
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Re: William Taylor's Tabletop Hornpipe
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2013, 05:43:14 PM »

A small but well-heeled affair:
Twenty couples at the wedding
Each one dressed in rich array
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Re: William Taylor's Tabletop Hornpipe
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2013, 05:52:02 PM »

I am sure this question has been asked before, but who was William Taylor and why was his hornpipe performed on a table?
I always wondered whether it was a reference to the Northumberland fiddler Willie Taylor of The Shepherds fame, and thereby a play on the name 'Dave Shepherd'.
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Re: William Taylor's Tabletop Hornpipe
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2013, 06:19:09 PM »

I'm sure I can trust your transcription accuracy  ;)

Note perfect against the printed version in Encyclopaedia Blowsabellica!
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