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Discussions => News and Events => Topic started by: Alby on June 17, 2013, 05:09:45 PM
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Following the success of the last course there'll be another chance to make the 2.5 row next year. It's an intensive 9 days but enormous fun with Emmanuel (I will say this only once). You can choose each note and therefore the keys you want. It will be in Yeovil and dates will be 24th May - 1st June 2014 (school half term in Somerset). Cost is the same as this year - £1,825. You will not be disappointed.
Please drop me an e-mail for a place on the course and more information.
alanbalding@yahoo.co.uk
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There are still places available on the 2014 melodeon building course in Yeovil. As with the previous Yeovil courses organised by Alan Balding the instrument built on this course will be a very versatile two and a half row with 14 basses. Several melnet members have been on the course in previous years so if you want to know more just ask here.
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Thanks Theo
The instruments really are first class and you will have a brilliant time - Emmanuel is very funny and cracks jokes throughout the course. No real skills are necessary and you don't even have to be melodeon player - many people have made them for friends or family members.
Most importantly please sign up asap. There is a very long lead time for the parts to be ordered and delivered.
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You have new mail Alan ;)
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I'm in.
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Anyone else out there fancy doing this course? Alan Balding tells me he needs a few more people to sign up.
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I desperately want to go, but I can't raise the cash :'(
John
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.. now if I could just sell some of my boxes I don't really need, I could afford to go.. :-\
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Anyone else out there fancy doing this course? Alan Balding tells me he needs a few more people to sign up.
Maybe, if I get
a) suddenly much better at playing (not v likely)
and/or
b) made redundant (v likely)
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I would recommend this to anyone. A really great week ending up with the best holiday souvenir I have ever had. The added bonus is that each time I play the melodeon it bring back memories of Emmanuel and the fun I had making it.
Martin
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I agree entirely with Martin. The pleasure of making the instrument is surpassed only by the pleasure of playing an instrument you have made yourself. My Pariselle box is so responsive and has such a lovely tone that I tend to play it in preference to my Castagnari.
It would be a real shame for those who have signed up for the 2014 course if it had to be cancelled due to insufficient numbers.
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I'd love to go, but I'd need to look very carefully at the logistics, not to mention the cost, of coming from Cyprus.
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I'm in, have been since it was first announced. ;D
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Just been looking at the two boxes that Theo has up for sale:
http://www.theboxplace.co.uk/purchase/baldingdg/prod_341.html
and
http://www.theboxplace.co.uk/purchase/eastmonddg/prod_340.html
...and noticed that the basses are different.
e.g. Eb/C# C/C C/C B/E B/E F#/F F#/F
Bb/G# G/D G/D D/A D/A A/G A/G
e.g. E/C# C/C C/C B/E B/E Eb/F# Eb/F#
A/G# G/D G/D D/A D/A Bb/F Bb/F
Knowing nowt about basses I have to ask what the differences mean in terms of playability???
also noticed that both boxes do not have thirds in the bass... is that standard for these boxes or it a build choice please?
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I have not been on any of these courses, though I would love to. I have however played a couple of the instruments that have been built by course participants. They are magnificent. In fact Theo has two of them for sale on his site at £1900 each. You could have a cracking holiday, learn a new skill, and finish up with something tangible that is worth more than the cost of the course. What's not to like?
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Just been looking at the two boxes that Theo has up for sale:
http://www.theboxplace.co.uk/purchase/baldingdg/prod_341.html
and
http://www.theboxplace.co.uk/purchase/eastmonddg/prod_340.html
...and noticed that the basses are different.
e.g. Eb/C# C/C C/C B/E B/E F#/F F#/F
Bb/G# G/D G/D D/A D/A A/G A/G
This, ignoring the 2 left hand buttons, is the standard Saltarelle layout and is what I've got on my Pariselle.
e.g. E/C# C/C C/C B/E B/E Eb/F# Eb/F#
A/G# G/D G/D D/A D/A Bb/F Bb/F
Knowing nowt about basses I have to ask what the differences mean in terms of playability???
Not sure what benefit this layout has.
also noticed that both boxes do not have thirds in the bass... is that standard for these boxes or it a build choice please?
The Pariselles do not have thirds by design.
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Just been looking at the two boxes that Theo has up for sale:
http://www.theboxplace.co.uk/purchase/baldingdg/prod_341.html
and
http://www.theboxplace.co.uk/purchase/eastmonddg/prod_340.html
...and noticed that the basses are different.
e.g. Eb/C# C/C C/C B/E B/E F#/F F#/F
Bb/G# G/D G/D D/A D/A A/G A/G
e.g. E/C# C/C C/C B/E B/E Eb/F# Eb/F#
A/G# G/D G/D D/A D/A Bb/F Bb/F
Knowing nowt about basses I have to ask what the differences mean in terms of playability???
also noticed that both boxes do not have thirds in the bass... is that standard for these boxes or it a build choice please?
There are threads kicking around on this I think; in summary the first layout is more flexible in how you play something (more push pull options), the second layout is more flexible in what you play (chords for just about everything, but you're limited in having to play it on either push or pull, without choice of bellows direction).
Also worth noticing is the direction of the F# chord. You want it on the push if you want it in the right direction for playing in D (just as B is on the push for playing in G)... or you want it on the pull if playing blues in F# is your thing, where I gather a full F# blues scale is available on the pull on the treble end. Chris of this parish does this a lot; I'm sure he'll be along in a bit to confirm/condemn my shaky memory.
So the bottom line is, it depends on the music you want to play. I'm a F# push/first layout chap myself. The first layout makes it easier to play in D/G, the second layout makes it possible to play in other keys.
Clive
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And the note layout is your choice if you do the course. It can be in any key, any choice of low notes, accidentals, where the scale starts, bass layout etc. There are some constraints: two voice treble, maximum 25 treble buttons (some have built just two rows on the treble side), chords have only two reeds so no thirds and the 14 bass layout is like a standard 12 bass but with two extra buttons that just play basses.
Reeds have to be ordered by Emmanuel well in advance, so you do need to make decisions fairly soon if you want a variation on the standard layout that he proposes.
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Lester, Clive, Theo thanks for your help!
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I'd love to go, but I'd need to look very carefully at the logistics, not to mention the cost, of coming from Cyprus.
whoops! wrong button [needed clarification]
With quite a few melodeonistas from here committing I suspect help with logistics may be available in return for mileage share and the conversation. I've become a dab hand at dropping people at airports in various countries, and coming back from my first Ghent weekend I got a very useful lift to Brussel airport. I won't be a "maker" this time, though can offer a lift to Ghent ;)
Perhaps anyone else interested in this jolly might PM Graham?
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Thanks for the thought, Chris: I would be more than happy to share travel expenses with a fellow squeezer, but first I'll need to know where in the UK I'm likely to be arriving! Bristol & Exeter are the nearest airports, but there are only cheap'n'nasty flights there from here; to travel with any degree of comfort and dignity(!) I'll need to go either to a London airport or else to Birmingham (first choice because it's my native city and I can spend a couple of days with friends there either end of the trip), East Midlands or Leeds/Bradford. I'll look into it.....
Graham
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Thanks for the thought, Chris: I would be more than happy to share travel expenses with a fellow squeezer, but first I'll need to know where in the UK I'm likely to be arriving! Bristol & Exeter are the nearest airports, but there are only cheap'n'nasty flights there from here; to travel with any degree of comfort and dignity(!) I'll need to go either to a London airport or else to Birmingham (first choice because it's my native city and I can spend a couple of days with friends there either end of the trip), East Midlands or Leeds/Bradford. I'll look into it.....
Graham
Graham, Exeter , as you know is fairly close to Yeovil. I'm either in the caravan in Padstow or Swanage in Dorset, from both locations I could pick you up from Exeter. I'm staying at the Preston Hotel in Yeovil for the course. But would be very happy to collect you if you decide to go directly to the event.
I suppose this should have been a PM, anyway it could have been a Limerick. ;D
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Thanks Nick - I'll bear that in mind if Exeter turns up any tolerable-looking flights. Actually I think we could make that quite an entertaining journey........
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Also Bournemoth airport is a stone's throw from Swanage...
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Also Bournemoth airport is a stone's throw from Swanage...
:D
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Also Bournemoth airport is a stone's throw from Swanage...
True, but I don't fancy having to parachute out as the Exeter-bound plane passes over........ :D
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Yes it's a fair old distance...Cyprus to Yeovil. It not as if you can drive it either. I understand your dilemma.
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Also Bournemoth airport is a stone's throw from Swanage...
True, but I don't fancy having to parachute out as the Exeter-bound plane passes over........ :D
Yeah but, we still have AKK AKK GUN emplacements in Swanage. And, while I'm at it, Basil Fawlty was born here.....alegedly. >:E
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There are still places available on the 2014 melodeon building course in Yeovil.
I'm now in and looking forward to it.
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Yippee, someone else is in..
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I'm in as well. Looking forward to it!
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I'm in as well. Looking forward to it!
Superb, we must nearly have a complete team. ;D
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Just had a word with Alan Balding, still 4 places left.
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Just had a word with Alan Balding, still 4 places left.
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Come on gang, go for it. :P
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Love to. Can't fund it :(
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Love to. Can't fund it :(
Can't find it?
It's in Yeovil. ( should have gone to specsavers) >:E
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At risk of getting a slap I know, but does he do a course on one row construction? Serious question, really.... ???
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At risk of getting a slap I know, but does he do a course on one row construction? Serious question, really.... ???
Yes. There is such a course happening at the end of this month in Stowmarket. It is fully booked but there may be another in the future. Contact Katie Howson at East Anglian Traditional Music Trust (http://www.eatmt.org.uk/Melodeon%20Makers.htm), the website also has lots of photos of one-row building courses.
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At risk of getting a slap I know, but does he do a course on one row construction? Serious question, really.... ???
The East Anglian Traditional Music Trust has previously hosted three of Emmanuel's one-row making courses. The next one will be in at the end of October 2013, but I suspect it is full and with a waiting list.
To register your interest for a future course send an e-mail to Katie Howson at info@eatmt.fsnet.co.uk
More information about the courses here (http://www.eatmt.org.uk/Melodeon%20Makers.htm#Melodeon%20Makers%204:%20October%202013).
Edit: Theo and I both posted much the same reply at the same time!
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Theo and Steve, many thanks, it's something I'd love to do. Did try the archive for info but got bogged down. My fault..
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Come on gang, go for it. :P
After due discussion with my significant other, we've decided to go to Whitby this year (first time since about 2001), so sadly I can't justify a trip to UK in June with a hefty (though good value for what you get) course fee and then another in August with the need for decent accommodation, car hire and two season tickets among other expenses. Hey-ho..... :(
Graham
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Things are looking good, Alan tells me he has 7 deposits paid, another imminent, and two places left which could be taken by people who have already expressed an interest.
Anyone who would like a place on the course should get in touch with Alan Balding (alanbalding@yahoo.co.uk) pronto!
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Saturday 4th Oct - One place left.
I've had lots of interest this month that's more than likely down to the interest shown by everyone here. Thanks for that
For those of you already signed up I'll be sending more information out next week.
Alan
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Just to say that Andy Cutting now lugs a home made from the course. Sounded very good last week.
[Edit] as below. He said he couldn't quite finish in the "ten" days. Then was invited over to France and found Martin there too! I think we should allow for a little artistic licence, but it's a nice story. The basses looked interesting, eg I though it had a reversed G (assuming D/G basis)
The Pariselle "make your own" looks to be a very sweet package for anyone with the time to spare. I'm well sorted just now, but was tempted just for the fun of it!
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If I recall right Andy Cutting, along with Mairtin O'Connor, went over to stay with Emmanuel in France They made their melodeons in something crazy like 5 (very long) days
Andy's has more basses than the usual model made on the course. I think it is 3 voice and has stops on the top end of of the grill similar to the one Emmanuel himself plays.
Martin
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This is good news. It's a long way off - the winter will be gone and we'll be heading into next summer... but I am looking forward to it.
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The Pariselle "make your own" looks to be a very sweet package for anyone with the time to spare. I'm well sorted just now, but was tempted just for the fun of it!
Indeed it is and for anyone who does not have the time to build one, but wants a versatile 2.5 row 14 bass DG, I have two for sale, one built by Alan Balding (http://www.theboxplace.co.uk/purchase/baldingdg/prod_341.html) iat the Yeovil course in 2012, one built by Jon Eastmond (http://www.theboxplace.co.uk/purchase/eastmonddg/prod_340.html) on the London course in 2011.
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Now the course seems to be up and running ( terrifying ) and being booked up as a victim :-\
I now have to choose what sort of box I would like to end up with.
I have only known D/G, as basically I'm a Morris player or a player of Morris music. Indeed any English Traditional music.
Now.... I have two Bb/Eb boxes for singing ,and a D/G Dino Baffetti , we won't mention the Chanson, plus a single row ancient Hohner in some unmentionable key, probably H.
SO! My question is, what sort of tuning should I go for? And what would you wonderful gang recommend ?
Remembering that I am an old git and haven't learnt anything new for years. Apart from Chansonistering that is.
As you all know my character, I must say this is a serious question. ;D
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Now the course seems to be up and running ( terrifying ) and being booked up as a victim :-\
I now have to choose what sort of box I would like to end up with.
I have only known D/G, as basically I'm a Morris player or a player of Morris music. Indeed any English Traditional music.
Now.... I have two Bb/Eb boxes for singing ,and a D/G Dino Baffetti , we won't mention the Chanson, plus a single row ancient Hohner in some unmentionable key, probably H.
SO! My question is, what sort of tuning should I go for? And what would you wonderful gang recommend ?
Remembering that I am an old git and haven't learnt anything new for years. Apart from Chansonistering that is.
As you all know my character, I must say this is a serious question. ;D
Congratulations on getting on the course!
You will work your socks off and expend blood (hopefully not too much), sweat and tears, but it will be worth it and a tremendous personal achievement. For these reasons, you should aim to make an instrument which is going to be as much use to you as possible. You don't have a C/F box on your list, and you might be tempted to go for that tuning, but you have to ask yourself whether you will end up playing it much. If not, all that effort will be possibly less than worthwhile, which would be a real shame.
Given your main genre of playing, my opinion would be to go for a D/G box; make it, be proud of it, and enjoy playing it!
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Thanks for that Steve, I had a feeling that's the way I should go. ;D
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Nick,
I went for a D/G with a half row of accidentals laid out so that I could play comfortably in C, F, Am, Gm and Dm, which are keys commonly used by the French band of which I am a member. My thinking was that I would be able to use one box for Morris, sessions where the main keys are G and D and for French music. My idea was that I would have a D/G, a G/C and a C/F box all rolled into one. The theory has worked out in practice and my Pariselle is now my first choice box, much to the chagrin of my Castagnari Benny.
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Thanks Bob, in my head it's all coming together. :-*
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Come on gang, go for it. :P
After due discussion with my significant other, we've decided to go to Whitby this year (first time since about 2001), so sadly I can't justify a trip to UK in June with a hefty (though good value for what you get) course fee and then another in August with the need for decent accommodation, car hire and two season tickets among other expenses. Hey-ho..... :(
Graham
Great news! :D
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Now the course seems to be up and running ( terrifying ) and being booked up as a victim :-\
I now have to choose what sort of box I would like to end up with.
I have only known D/G, as basically I'm a Morris player or a player of Morris music. Indeed any English Traditional music.
Now.... I have two Bb/Eb boxes for singing ,and a D/G Dino Baffetti , we won't mention the Chanson, plus a single row ancient Hohner in some unmentionable key, probably H.
SO! My question is, what sort of tuning should I go for? And what would you wonderful gang recommend ?
Remembering that I am an old git and haven't learnt anything new for years. Apart from Chansonistering that is.
As you all know my character, I must say this is a serious question. ;D
How about Unisoric - ie every note the same. It might help you master the One Note Samba ;) >:E
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Now the course seems to be up and running ( terrifying ) and being booked up as a victim :-\
I now have to choose what sort of box I would like to end up with.
I have only known D/G, as basically I'm a Morris player or a player of Morris music. Indeed any English Traditional music.
Now.... I have two Bb/Eb boxes for singing ,and a D/G Dino Baffetti , we won't mention the Chanson, plus a single row ancient Hohner in some unmentionable key, probably H.
SO! My question is, what sort of tuning should I go for? And what would you wonderful gang recommend ?
Remembering that I am an old git and haven't learnt anything new for years. Apart from Chansonistering that is.
As you all know my character, I must say this is a serious question. ;D
How about Unisoric - ie every note the same. It might help you master the One Note Samba ;) >:E
Now there's a thought! A drone melodeon >:E
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Basic question here: if I select a DG tuned box, does anyone know if there is an option to include some low reeds, to lessen the 'squeakiness' of the G row? And in fact, how many reeds are there per RH note...? I suppose I ought to know this but..erm..I don't.
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There are two reeds per note.
The G row has 9 buttons, and the D row 10, so you have already lost the highest button on each row compared with a 21 button.
I see no reason why you could not have one set of reeds at the standard pitch and one an octave lower, this is know as octave tuning, or bandoneon tuning. The lower reeds are physically longer, but you build the reedblocks to fit your reeds so I think it would be quite workable. You should confirm this with Emmanuel but I think it will be ok. With this setup you can't really have any tremolo, in theory you could, but it would sound dreadful. Incidentally I had an DG like this in for tuning recently, and I liked it a lot.
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I've played several LMs (including one which Andy Cutting built on a Pariselle course) and they have all been awesome. Much neglected tuning.
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There are two reeds per note.
The G row has 9 buttons, and the D row 10, so you have already lost the highest button on each row compared with a 21 button.
I see no reason why you could not have one set of reeds at the standard pitch and one an octave lower, this is know as octave tuning, or bandoneon tuning. The lower reeds are physically longer, but you build the reedblocks to fit your reeds so I think it would be quite workable. You should confirm this with Emmanuel but I think it will be ok. With this setup you can't really have any tremolo, in theory you could, but it would sound dreadful. Incidentally I had an DG like this in for tuning recently, and I liked it a lot.
Ah - thanks. You see I have a Corona IIIR (GCF) with LMH reeds and you can mix and match these with the 5 switches. I particularly like the LM combination, though as you point out there is no tremolo, so it's a dry sound. Ideally I'd like the option to thicken the G (and I suppose the D) row with a lower reed; in the absence of switch option maybe this is the thing to do.
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Are there any sample sounds of these boxes? I have a Baffetti Carnival II and much as I love it it is a bit hurty on the ears when you place its upper end...though great for being heard in a noisy session.
Edit: OK I found this of Lester playing his... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxkYSWh0cvo
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I've played several LMs (including one which Andy Cutting built on a Pariselle course) and they have all been awesome. Much neglected tuning.
Any known recording of this box..??
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Andy's box is BbEb so would not be a good indication of the sound of a DG.
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This is true. And that might have something to do with how awesome it sounds.
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Andy's box is BbEb so would not be a good indication of the sound of a DG.
OK. I have a low G on my Corona so that'll give me an idea.
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We are about to order the reeds for the 2014 course. There’s one place left – an opportunity not to be missed. Having just moved to the East Midlands I doubt I’ll be running a course in 2015 - I'm sure there'll be one somewhere in the world though. Finland? Emmanuel has also run them Canada, Norway and France and of course the one row in Suffolk in 2 weeks time.
If you’re interested in coming to make one in Somerset please get in touch asap
Alan
alanbalding@yahoo.co.uk
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What have yo got against the East Midlands? ;) >:E
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Successful week with ten new boxes all completed. Well done to all the builders.
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Successful week with ten new boxes all completed. Well done to all the builders.
Great week, with some surprise visitors to add to the atmosphere. Well done to you as well Theo for your tuning efforts against a background wall of sound, really pleased with the way mine sounds. Really lovely group of people to spend a week with.
Trevor
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Really please with mine as well - thanks to everyone for the help etc
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Successful week with ten new boxes all completed. Well done to all the builders.
Great week, with some surprise visitors to add to the atmosphere. Well done to you as well Theo for your tuning efforts against a background wall of sound, really pleased with the way mine sounds. Really lovely group of people to spend a week with.
Trevor
Thank you Trevor. The background sounds were actually quite moderate when the doors were closed, but I've never tuned so many reeds in such a short space of time - Just under 1000 reed tongues tuned in 48 hours!
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...and you stopped in the middle to demonstrate a Concertina for the gent who'd come to pick it up I hear..... ;) AtB mory (their very pleased by the way)
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Any photos of finished boxes?
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Successful week with ten new boxes all completed. Well done to all the builders.
Great week, with some surprise visitors to add to the atmosphere. Well done to you as well Theo for your tuning efforts against a background wall of sound, really pleased with the way mine sounds. Really lovely group of people to spend a week with.
Trevor
Thank you Trevor. The background sounds were actually quite moderate when the doors were closed, but I've never tuned so many reeds in such a short space of time - Just under 1000 reed tongues tuned in 48 hours!
Bloody hell! :o
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So, anyone fancy red buttons for their box (on the 2014 course)? I think they might be a nice match for the red bellows but Emmanuel obviously doesn't agree. ::)
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So, anyone fancy red buttons for their box (on the 2014 course)? I think they might be a nice match for the red bellows but Emmanuel obviously doesn't agree. ::)
I have a feeling that that is just Emmanuel's humour Roger.
I have asked for Pearl Green to match Napoleon Bonaparte's wallpaper, sans Arsenic. >:E
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So, anyone fancy red buttons for their box (on the 2014 course)? I think they might be a nice match for the red bellows but Emmanuel obviously doesn't agree. ::)
I have a feeling that that is just Emmanuel's humour Roger.
I have asked for Pearl Green to match Napoleon Bonaparte's wallpaper, sans Arsenic. >:E
Red buttons for me then...
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Red Buttons
(http://media.theiapolis.com/cd0d0d0/d19/e3/hHS/iKZ3M/r6/s1/t2/wDC/x1GKZ1/z2S/red-buttons-photograph-signed.jpg?cdn=1383724525)
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Lester...LOL... Who he?
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I don't know who that is, but he has a very bad case of pixelitous.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Buttons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Buttons)
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Oh come on gang. Fingers tired, practice done , wet Sunday afternoon , nice black and white film
Red Buttons on telly, large joint in the oven, oh bliss!
Edit for clarity.
Red even appeared in an episode of Columbo, another wet/cold Sunday must watch.
Back on thread, what have you started Roger?'
At least I went for green. >:E
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Oh come on gang. Fingers tired, practice done , wet Sunday afternoon , nice black and white film
Red Buttons on telly, large joint in the oven, oh bliss!
Edit for clarity.
Red even appeared in an episode of Columbo, another wet/cold Sunday must watch.
Back on thread, what have you started Roger?'
At least I went for green. >:E
Nick would it be possible for you to post a picture of your green buttoned beast? (:)
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I'd love to Ted, but I haven't made it yet. The session starts in May 2014.
I just thought that if one is going to make a customised box, it might as well be individual and outrageous . Will keep you posted.
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I'd love to Ted, but I haven't made it yet. The session starts in May 2014.
I just thought that if one is going to make a customised box, it might as well be individual and outrageous . Will keep you posted.
Will wait in anticipation (:) I really really really want to do one of these courses, but finances dictate that's not an option. I have seen a few of these boxes before, I think Theo has a couple for sale(?). They look like bloomin' lovely boxes. Are the majority of the boxes 2 voice, or is the option for a 3 voice available? Hmmmmmm......
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That option will come Ted, beleive me. I'm at the end of life's spectrum you are at the beginning.
Take my Mum's advice. "Never get married Son, and bring yer children up the same way"
Don't know why I said that , but after a pint of wine, who cares? ;D :|glug :|glug
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Back to topic. I think when Emmanuel with Theo run a course, you have a choice as to what you would like. You choose what reed tuning, note layout Etc. Plus the ornamentation .
So I assume you can customise the whole caboodle. That's a minefield. I have gone with the experts.
Lester has been great in showing me what sort of layout would suit me .
When I said ornamentation, I mean decoration. 8)
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Are the majority of the boxes 2 voice, or is the option for a 3 voice available? Hmmmmmm......
The boxes are all two voice as there is no room for three, although I have seen one that was tuned Bandoneon (L/M) with a switch to select single voice. They are all thirdless chords as well.
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Are the majority of the boxes 2 voice, or is the option for a 3 voice available? Hmmmmmm......
The boxes are all two voice as there is no room for three, although I have seen one that was tuned Bandoneon (L/M) with a switch to select single voice. They are all thirdless chords as well.
This is what I have selected for my 2014 box. I think an MM DG box is too squeaky, and I have one already anyway. I like the LM combination on my Corona IIIR too, so hoping it'll make the Emmanuel box nice to play.
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2014 course full, everyone paid and parts ordered – and nearly 6 months to go before we cut, screw and glue it all together. Looking forward to it.
2015 anyone?
:|glug