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Title: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Clive Williams on September 01, 2013, 01:55:21 PM
A clear winner this month, a parisian (I assume!) waltz, Sous Le Ciel De Paris, also known as Banks of the Seine, after Tony Hall named it that on his recording 'Fieldvole Music'. Written by Jean Drejac, in 1950 I gather.

Thanks to Lester, here's some ABC (cheers Lester) in C and G (actually, it's in a minor key, but you get the idea, G/C speak and D/G speak I think)

Code: [Select]
X:1
T:Sous le Ciel de Paris
C:J Drejac
M:3/4
K:C
|: E2 A2 B2 | c4 d2 | e2 d2 c2 | B2 A2 G2 |
F6 | e6 | d6 | -d4 z2|
E2 ^G2 A2 | B4 c2 | d2 f2 e2 | d2 c2 B2 |
|1 A6 | G6 | F6 | E6 :|2 A6 | -A6 | -A6 ||
B2 c2 B2 | A6 | -A6 | -A6 |
B2 c2 B2 | A4 B2 | c4 d2 | e3 f g2 |
f2 e2 d2 | e6 | d6 | c6 | B2 c2 B2 |
E2 A2 B2 | c4 d2 | e2 d2 c2 | B2 A2 G2 |
F6 | e6 | d6 | -d4 z2|
E2 ^G2 A2 | B4 c2 | d2 f2 e2 | d2 c2 B2 |
A6 | -A6 | -A6 ||

Code: [Select]
X:1
T:Sous le Ciel de Paris
C:J Drejac
M:3/4
K:G
|: B2 e2 f2 | g4 a2 | b2 a2 g2 | f2 e2 d2 |
c6 | b6 | a6 | -a4 z2|
B2 ^d2 e2 | f4 g2 | a2 c'2 b2 | a2 g2 f2 |
|1 e6 | d6 | c6 | B6 :|2 e6 | -e6 | -e6 ||
f2 g2 f2 | e6 | -e6 | -e6 |
f2 g2 f2 | e4 f2 | g4 a2 | b3 c' d'2 |
c'2 b2 a2 | b6 | a6 | g6 | f2 g2 f2 |
B2 e2 f2 | g4 a2 | b2 a2 g2 | f2 e2 d2 |
c6 | b6 | a6 | -a4 z2|
B2 ^d2 e2 | f4 g2 | a2 c'2 b2 | a2 g2 f2 |
e6 | -e6 | -e6 ||

... and here's a Tony Hall'esque version of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60U9cxYSSHc

... though it is certainly a tune that can be played simply, or complex, and with plenty of opportunity for putting your own mark on the tune. A great tune of the month then!

Happy recording!

Clive
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: pikey on September 01, 2013, 02:24:47 PM
First up!!

I learned this from Tony's LP when it first came out, when I was 18. My pokerwork didn't have accidentals, so I reworked those notes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYiCWdHeDQs&feature=c4-overview&list=UUKhMCsH6Xs4bOabTueiND2A

Enjoy
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: docEdock on September 02, 2013, 10:14:48 AM


I learned this from Tony's LP when it first came out, when I was 18.

Enjoy
Wow, that was terrific. I loved all those variations. Thanks for the inspiration. What a great start for TOTM.
Doc
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: pikey on September 02, 2013, 09:18:38 PM
Ta.  (:)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: arty on September 02, 2013, 10:27:27 PM
With my limited experience, (15 months now), I don't think I can do justice to this month's Sous Le Ciel de Paris.

So instead, I have started to learn Pixie Wings, which failed to gather many votes in the poll. I am loving this for a couple of reasons: first, the tune is quite lovely and just rolls along easily under the fingers and secondly, it is giving me so much good practice in crossing the rows and using every one of the eight bass buttons. I feel it is really opening my eyes as to what one can do with a tune.

I hope, by the end of the month, I will be able to play it well enough to warrant recording it.

Has anyone else tried this piece?
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Gary Chapin on September 02, 2013, 10:49:47 PM
Great job, Pikey. And my vote for most formidable accordion-face ever.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: RogerT on September 03, 2013, 07:25:08 AM
First up!!

I learned this from Tony's LP when it first came out, when I was 18. My pokerwork didn't have accidentals, so I reworked those notes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYiCWdHeDQs&feature=c4-overview&list=UUKhMCsH6Xs4bOabTueiND2A

Enjoy

Hey, bravo
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: pikey on September 03, 2013, 08:03:31 AM
Great job, Pikey. And my vote for most formidable accordion-face ever.

Lol ! That tune needs a lot of concentration  ;)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Chris Ryall on September 03, 2013, 12:26:34 PM
Doesn't use all that more notes than a morris tune, but is in harmonic minor. So you are looking for a D# (=Eb) rather than a D to get a "gay Paris" sound. The odd D natural won't matter at all, but as the melody turns onto its dominant cadence (in Em) it is screaming for a B major chord, same button as Em, push (unless modified) "that's what it is for" ;) 

The "ii" chord in the standard Em progression is F#m7b5. This looks scary, but is actually just 4 adjacent pull buttons F#ACE on the British melodeon's inner row, and resolves onto either Em or (more à la mode?) via that B(push) chord. Actually you only need to sound F# against C (both pull) to get the effect … eg dot in a right end F# when the melody is on C

The film came out in 1950 and doesn't seem to be on youtube at all. Piaf did the song, but to a rather Hollywood accompaniment. I prefer Yves Montand's version (http://youtu.be/yaYobyIkcuA). The accompanying shots of the city are very modern, though. The film's plot is extraordinary

Wiki: Under the sky of Paris, during a day, we see large and small events that occur in the lives of several people whose fates will interfere. A poor old lady, after searching in vain all day to feed her cats, receives unexpected reward of a mother who, thanks to her, found at night her daughter who had been lost since morning. A young girl, dreaming of love, refuses the advances of her childhood friend to be stabbed to death by a sadistic sculptor. The latter is shot by a policeman who accidentally injured a worker who was returning home after the successful conclusion of a strike. Rushed to hospital, the injured worker is saved through the first open-heart surgery performed by a young surgeon who has just flunked his intern exam.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: RogerT on September 03, 2013, 06:38:25 PM
Doesn't use all that more notes than a morris tune, but is in harmonic minor. So you are looking for a D# (=Eb) rather than a D to get a "gay Paris" sound. The odd D natural won't matter at all, but as the melody turns onto its dominant cadence (in Em) it is screaming for a B major chord, same button as Em, push (unless modified) "that's what it is for" ;) 

The "ii" chord in the standard Em progression is F#m7b5. This looks scary, but is actually just 4 adjacent pull buttons F#ACE on the British melodeon's inner row, and resolves onto either Em or (more à la mode?) via that B(push) chord. Actually you only need to sound F# against C (both pull) to get the effect … eg dot in a right end F# when the melody is on C

I was thinking that exact same thing...  :P
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Chris Ryall on September 03, 2013, 07:14:34 PM

  Well, that's two of us…
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: pikey on September 03, 2013, 09:27:21 PM
Three....
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: RogerT on September 03, 2013, 10:56:30 PM
I know this link was shown in the voting thread, but this really is a great example of this tune on a two row by Anders Johanssen. Something for me to aim for..
http://accordeonaire.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/sous-le-ciel-de-paris.html
And slightly off topic you can find a couple of examples of him doing a duet of my all time fave tune Libertango..

Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: pikey on September 03, 2013, 11:17:35 PM
Nice  !
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Pete Dunk on September 04, 2013, 12:14:10 AM
With my limited experience, (15 months now), I don't think I can do justice to this month's Sous Le Ciel de Paris.

So instead, I have started to learn Pixie Wings, which failed to gather many votes in the poll. I am loving this for a couple of reasons: first, the tune is quite lovely and just rolls along easily under the fingers and secondly, it is giving me so much good practice in crossing the rows and using every one of the eight bass buttons. I feel it is really opening my eyes as to what one can do with a tune.

I hope, by the end of the month, I will be able to play it well enough to warrant recording it.

Has anyone else tried this piece?

Rather than let your question slip by unanswered arty, I feel I must reply because I nominated Pixie Wings in the first place! I'm messing about with it a lot in different keys on both melodeon and English concertina and I too am pleased to find a tune that has loads of room for fairly uneducated noodling. Hopefully it will reappear in another Tune of the Month poll and do rather better. If not keep playing it like crazy and sooner or later a Theme of the Month will come along that it fits with the tune. There may even be an amnesty Theme of the Month like 'Whatever Takes your Fancy' to allow frustrated contributors the opportunity to post their version of "Remember You're a Womble" *shudders*  >:E
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: DaveD on September 04, 2013, 09:07:58 AM
Hi

I've attempted to transpose this tune from Lester's G (Em) to D (Bm) to play in a slightly lower register.
Although the right hand notes are easily playable I'm finding it difficult to fit left hand accompaniment within the limited bass range apart from Bm to start off. The question is can this tune be played in Bm on a D/G box and if so what are the relevant chords?.

Dave
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Anahata on September 04, 2013, 09:16:59 AM
I've attempted to transpose this tune from Lester's G (Em) to D (Bm) to play in a slightly lower register.
Although the right hand notes are easily playable I'm finding it difficult to fit left hand accompaniment within the limited bass range apart from Bm to start off. The question is can this tune be played in Bm on a D/G box and if so what are the relevant chords?.

Not really, and you've correctly identified lack of chords as the reason why not!

In Bm, you'll need a F# (major) in prominent places. There may be others, but that's the most obviously missing one. Maybe a 12 bass box could do it.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: DaveD on September 04, 2013, 09:40:40 AM
Anahata

Thanks for the information guessed it couldn't be that easy, so it's back to Em and the dusty end of the keyboard.

Dave
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Peter Savage on September 04, 2013, 11:26:30 AM
I am learning it in C-minor on a Hohner Club I (Bb/Eb) and the tune seems to sit very nicely in that key so far. 
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Anahata on September 04, 2013, 11:51:04 AM
C minor on a Bflat/Eflat box is the button-position equivalent of E minor on a D/G, so I'd expect that to work well.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Peter Savage on September 04, 2013, 12:58:09 PM
C minor on a Bflat/Eflat box is the button-position equivalent of E minor on a D/G, so I'd expect that to work well.

Yes, fingering the same of course. I actually meant that it's little easier on the ear, i.e. not quite as squeeky as on the D/G.   :||:
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: pikey on September 04, 2013, 06:22:19 PM
I think youll find hes called Squeezy, not squeeky ;-)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Clive Williams on September 06, 2013, 01:00:49 AM
Here we go, my effort at this tune, played on a G/C Hohner (so it's in A minor)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lDV8Hgnliw

You'll see I laugh in the face of accidentals, and ignore them completely! If you haven't started learning this tune yet, I'd encourage you to have a go; it's much easier than it looks/sounds, and is a very good tune to experiment with harmonies - they seem to play themselves almost.

Cheers,

Clive
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: pikey on September 06, 2013, 08:07:18 AM
Lovely !
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Gary Chapin on September 06, 2013, 06:38:37 PM
Love it, Clive.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: RogerT on September 06, 2013, 08:51:40 PM
Well, here is my effort, played on a G/C/(F) Hohner Corona IIIR.


http://youtu.be/340V3w1-yDs
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Tamba on September 16, 2013, 10:27:04 AM
Here is my attempt at this beautiful tune,

http://youtu.be/DbzlDTNQq9k (http://youtu.be/DbzlDTNQq9k)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Peter Savage on September 16, 2013, 11:01:26 AM
Here is my attempt at this beautiful tune,

http://youtu.be/DbzlDTNQq9k (http://youtu.be/DbzlDTNQq9k)
Very nice Tim - enjoyed that a lot.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: folkbluesnbeyond on September 16, 2013, 02:12:55 PM

http://youtu.be/_OJllteyf_U

Pleased to have got this far with it, but the fingers get forgetful after once through, so two boxes and once through on each. As simple as the need!

All the best from Suffolk.

Bill
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Matt (Kings Norton) on September 18, 2013, 06:15:20 AM
This has been interesting for me.  I go to accordion clubs and I've heard this tune hundreds of times probably.  I couldn't believe I had to listen to a load more versions on the forum.  But I am thoroughly enjoying these.  Shows the strength of the melodeon, maybe also the folk/dance roots of musette music comes through.  Some great playing as well. 
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Matt (Kings Norton) on September 18, 2013, 10:10:25 PM
The mrs (unisonoric for life) is raving about your version Tim.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Tamba on September 19, 2013, 06:15:03 AM
 :|bl I'm very flattered Matt. The big problem that I have with this tune is that it is not fully do-able on a 2 row, and therefore we are all missing out the third part (if it can be called that), maybe it is time I bought a new box to play it on!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Gary Chapin on September 19, 2013, 11:06:45 AM
:|bl I'm very flattered Matt. The big problem that I have with this tune is that it is not fully do-able on a 2 row, and therefore we are all missing out the third part (if it can be called that), maybe it is time I bought a new box to play it on!
Yes, tackling that third part kicked my butt when learning on my 2.5 row. I feel like having to learn that third part (required for a gig) really forced me to get to know that third row.  Now I'm trying to learn it on my three-row (F/Bb/Eb) and without the accidentals, I'm still trying to do the third part, but have to develop workarounds.

http://accordeonaire.blogspot.com/2013/06/sous-le-ciel-de-paris-still-learning.html

I remember the first time I nailed it in performance, I was practically giddy afterwards.  But I still mess it up about half the time.

One thing I'm learning from all your versions is that it works very well at a moderate pace.  The Edith Piaf version is actually quite swift.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Fsamuel on September 19, 2013, 11:21:40 AM
Stuck at home suffering after a very cold wet Bromyard festival here's my effort
https://soundcloud.com/wedgy-mcdustbinlid/sous-le-ciel-de-paris

It perks up halfway through!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Peter Savage on September 27, 2013, 07:43:45 AM
Happy Friday! Here's my version: http://youtu.be/0uZVvhl6-B4.  Played in C minor on a Hohner Club I (Bb/Eb).   :||:
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: RogerT on September 27, 2013, 07:48:57 AM
 :(
Happy Friday! Here's my version: http://youtu.be/0uZVvhl6-B4.  Played in C minor on a Hohner Club I (Bb/Eb).   :||:

Hey, that's pretty good. I like the box, too. Well done.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: squeezy on September 27, 2013, 12:44:40 PM
And after about 17 attempts to get this up on YouTube ...

Here's my version on the Lucia in Am transposing to Bm at the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQtg_jFWRt0
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: sqwzboxstudent on September 27, 2013, 01:06:59 PM
Awfull.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: sqwzboxstudent on September 27, 2013, 01:08:19 PM
Just joking ! Sounds grand  ;D
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Pete Dunk on September 27, 2013, 04:40:31 PM
Here's my version on the Lucia in Am transposing to Bm at the end.

Is the Lucia to the CBA what the Preciosa is to the melodeon then?
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: RogerT on September 27, 2013, 05:15:00 PM
And after about 17 attempts to get this up on YouTube ...

Here's my version on the Lucia in Am transposing to Bm at the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQtg_jFWRt0

Well I think that is excellent!!

So..erm.. what *is* the box you are playing?

edit: OK, so I've just been looking at your other posts. Is it a sort of hybrid box with free bass LH and a DG+ thing on the RH?
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Jackhumphreys on September 27, 2013, 06:29:42 PM
Arranged for 2.6 row 12 bass.  Still a few fumbles, but you get the idea. I enjoyed making a different arrangement, and figuring out that middle section, but a bit of a struggle to actually play.

SOUS LE CIEL DE PARIS:   http://youtu.be/L6bYoMK0V-I
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Microbot on September 28, 2013, 01:46:00 PM
And after about 17 attempts to get this up on YouTube ...

Here's my version on the Lucia in Am transposing to Bm at the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQtg_jFWRt0

Amazing ..... All the flavour, all the meandering chords+majors and minors, all the tricky corners in the tune ... and check out the bass runs!!!!

.... it's the ability to take on this type of music and pull it off that makes Lucia+Stradella+Squeezy pretty damn formidable .... Bravo 'Monsieur Jean Spiers' ... it's a genuine party piece that will just get ever slicker ...

.......... and just wait till you unleash the Cornelia version!!!

cheers

Mike
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Anahata on September 28, 2013, 02:13:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQtg_jFWRt0

So..erm.. what *is* the box you are playing?

Looks/sounds like Stradella bass.
The black and white patterns on the RH keys are right for a B system CBA but it doesn't look like that's what he's playing.

So yes... what is it?

OK - edited to answer my own question: D/G/accidentals from signature under Squeezy's avatar...
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: RogerT on September 28, 2013, 06:07:14 PM
Well if I've correctly worked out Squeezy's  id then not surprised it is v inspiring. Intrigued also about the button system on his box.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Pete Dunk on September 28, 2013, 06:19:22 PM
Well if I've correctly worked out Squeezy's  id then not surprised it is v inspiring.

I don't think Squeezy's I.D. is any great secret, just watch the video again and look at the name of the channel!  :D
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: pikey on September 28, 2013, 08:31:57 PM
Here is my attempt at this beautiful tune,

http://youtu.be/DbzlDTNQq9k (http://youtu.be/DbzlDTNQq9k)
Very nice Tim - enjoyed that a lot.

Superb Tim.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: RogerT on September 28, 2013, 08:58:31 PM
Well if I've correctly worked out Squeezy's  id then not surprised it is v inspiring.

I don't think Squeezy's I.D. any great secret, just watch the video again and look at the name of the channel!  :D
Well I'm reasonably new around here so I was a bit surprised, but it just reinforces the sense of <said wiv a fick cockney accent> community.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: squeezy on September 28, 2013, 09:29:33 PM
I'm sorry to have used tune of the month to try out this new system on you all ... there are plenty of fumbles in that video.  Yes it's me ... I've been on here ... well forever!

I have loved the whole tune of the month thing and followed it religiously since it started ... this one has been particularly illuminating seeing how this great tune has been approached in so many different ways.  My favourite video still is the one by Anders Johannsen though - he is so thoroughly in charge of that instrument and the rhythm is so solid and jaunty.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Pete Dunk on September 28, 2013, 09:48:26 PM
Well I'm reasonably new around here so I was a bit surprised, but it just reinforces the sense of <said wiv a fick cockney accent> community.

There are many cunning disguises used on here, it's a hotbed of intrigue, smoke and mirrors. Watch out for a member called Andy Cutting, you'll never guess who he is!  ;D
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Gary Chapin on September 28, 2013, 10:22:03 PM
I'm sorry to have used tune of the month to try out this new system on you all ...

Yes, you must apologize for tweeking the obsessive compulsives here:  like dogs to squirrels. "A new system?" sniff sniff "A new system!?!"

Quote
My favourite video still is the one by Anders Johannsen though - he is so thoroughly in charge of that instrument and the rhythm is so solid and jaunty.
I agree.  I am in awe.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Jackhumphreys on September 29, 2013, 10:42:28 AM
I was feeling so pleased with myself I'd sort of worked this out of 2.6 row 12 bass, http://youtu.be/L6bYoMK0V-I then along comes Squeezy with that spectacularly complete arrangement, to keep me humble again.  Still, mine did have bisonoric basses, so, not so bad.
I suppose this tune is not really a typical melodeon tune, so it's amazing that Anders Johanssen does it so marvelously on only a two row. The stradella basses give Squeezy so much flexibility and fluency, though there is his extreme talent and skill too.  I'm thinking about getting a new box. And this is the conflict.  Do I go for a bigger box, with lots of basses, maybe even Darwin or Stradella  or do I listen to advice from Andy Cutting and Emmanuel Parisselle?   Andy always says that its the limitations of our instrument that give it its character, so he doesn't feel at home  with 3 rows and 18 basses. He said (at Wantage)  that if he played a  bigger (more complete) instrument, to make playing easier, then he'd be that much more boring as a player.  And Parisselle has this spiel  when he talks about going on a hiking trip, and then adding more and more items to your backpack, in case they might be needed, so in the end it's so heavy, you can't enjoy the trip.  So he pares down his instrument to make sure it's light enough to do his push-pulling.  So listenig to those two gurus, it just seems OTT to go for an 18 bass.  On the other hand, listen to Naragonia and Bruno Le Tron and lots of others on their 18 bass Handrys. This is all relevant for me as I'm off on a trip to Toulouse next week to visit Serafini!
Maybe Theo will move this to instrument construction) 
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: squeezy on September 29, 2013, 01:20:47 PM
Oh Jack - you're making me wish I hadn't put it up now.  Your version is great - I particularly admire the linking passages during the long notes - something which is a common device in classic french café style - something I pretty much omitted completely as I played it a bit too fast to get anything that subtle in ... and your linking passages sound more melodeon-ey than most which give it a nice character.

As for the system ... Andy Cutting and Emmanuel Pariselle are right in my opinion - a full Stradella has too few limitations to sound as charmingly diatonic as normal bisonoric basses do ... it is possible to imitate what a melodeon would do with stradella - but frankly it's such a fun thing to let your imagination take you where you want to go with the basses that it's hard not to.

My Loffet 18 bass has a heavier left hand than the instrument I'm playing in the video - but I think the main difference in how it sounds and plays is the cross-sectional area of the bellows which is again much bigger on my Loffet box.  And that is what I think is being alluded to when you recount what Andy said.

Choice of box really has to be down to what you want it to do for you ... and nothing else!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Peter Savage on September 29, 2013, 06:42:16 PM
Don't be put off posting John; I'm sure Jack was only joking.  It's really great to see what a talented pro can do with ToTM.  Feel free to post every month!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Jackhumphreys on September 29, 2013, 09:50:58 PM
Don't be put off posting John; I'm sure Jack was only joking.  It's really great to see what a talented pro can do with ToTM.  Feel free to post every month!
Definitely. Not to have posted would have deprived us all of wonderful music, and something to aspire to.
I need every help to keep humble. so thanks!!!
And thanks for your kind comments, Squeezy.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: RogerT on September 30, 2013, 11:25:42 AM
A bit off topic but as the previous posts are about use of bass and the available systems; if you want to hear fabulous bass control from John Kirkpatrick, he has many fine examples, but Accordionism is worth a listen (i assume played on his BCC, with Stradella bass) as is The Dance of the Demon Daffodils (though not sure if the latter is overdubbed with a bass box of some kind).
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Stoneyfiddler on September 30, 2013, 12:40:41 PM
Here's a late contribution from Vienna / Austria, played on my 3 row Verde Venarie G/C/alt box:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPUIcyZ8k3k

Stephan
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: TomBom on September 30, 2013, 03:30:47 PM
Sehr schön!

my 3 row Verde Venarie G/C/alt box

Stephan, does your box have one row of accidentals?

Thomas
Greetings from Augsburg, Germany
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Stoneyfiddler on September 30, 2013, 05:34:32 PM
Hi Thomas!

Stephan, does your box have one row of accidentals?

Yes, the inner row is all accidentals. With a "Gleichton" (G on pull) in the middle and high octave of my middle (C major) row, it gives me a full chromatic scale on the pull through almost 2 1/2 octaves (not that I can yet fully do it justice, but there might be situations when this comes handy ;))
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Clive Williams on October 01, 2013, 12:33:47 AM
Well done all, end of the month and time to pick a new tune! Late submissions always welcome; stick them on the end here!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: smiley on October 01, 2013, 12:35:44 AM
My favourite video still is the one by Anders Johannsen though - he is so thoroughly in charge of that instrument and the rhythm is so solid and jaunty.

Sorry I've arrived late to this conversation - could you give a link to Anders Johannsen's video? Thanks
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2013: Sous Le Ciel De Paris / Banks of the Seine
Post by: Clive Williams on October 01, 2013, 12:44:12 AM
My favourite video still is the one by Anders Johannsen though - he is so thoroughly in charge of that instrument and the rhythm is so solid and jaunty.

Sorry I've arrived late to this conversation - could you give a link to Anders Johannsen's video? Thanks

Sure - here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_Jx4gPFnlI - he's quite some player, isn't he?
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