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Discussions => Instrument Makes and Models => Topic started by: mory on September 13, 2013, 06:48:07 PM
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Just thought this deserves a post of it's own. I'm sure of great interest to many. Info & link Courtesy of Gromit
New Box From Manfrini
The Colm Gannon box "Bosca Ceoil"
the one he's playing is :-"It's a three voice, with no stops mmm b/c. But are available in all keys 2895 euro
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151957047903132 or http://www.frequency.com/video/new-box-to-market-bosca-ceoil-by/118527551/-/Facebook
Has anyone here had there hands on one yet? Luke?
please feel free to move if in wrong place Theo. AtB mory
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In reply
This box is only available from Colm Gannon at Gannon's Traditional Irish Music Shop contact http://colmgannon.com/contact
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It sounds great mory but I got there first (see other thread). The styling is naff though. The grille just does not blend with the rest of it and sticks out like a sore thumb.
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In reply
This box is only available from Colm Gannon at Gannon's Traditional Irish Music Shop contact http://colmgannon.com/contact
Hi
Not quite so,I used to be agent for Manfrini in England,,Acorn Instruments.
In past couple of weeks Robert rolston agreed to let me sell his accordions again rather than do it all himself.
Pete
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Pete
Does that include this then Pete? as Colm suggests it is only available through him. Good for you by the way. AtB
Steve
I agree, that and the over large signature, which I think would be much better as a small badge style, but it's all in the detail as they say and plenty of sales have been won or lost on these issues, I guess. One can only wish them well with it, as it's catering to our chosen market. I think that can only be to the good, don't you? AtB
Theo
If you think these two threads should be joined please feel free, I missed the other one so my fault sorry AtB mory
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More Information is required on this Instrument from Manfrini/gannon ie reed quality ,accordion make up etc before people jump in the deep end
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More Information is required on this Instrument from Manfrini/gannon ie reed quality ,accordion make up etc before people jump in the deep end
If you wish to consider buying one of these, or any other box, go and play one. It matters more how it feels/sounds in your hands than whether it has tipo a mano GT stripes or not.
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More Information is required on this Instrument from Manfrini/gannon ie reed quality ,accordion make up etc before people jump in the deep end
If you wish to consider buying one of these, or any other box, go and play one. It matters more how it feels/sounds in your hands than whether it has tipo a mano GT stripes or not.
Thats good and well and you are correct but is this not a forum to discuss such issue's.? This Box appears to be aimed at lovers of the old greys paolo,s of the 40s and 50s.
Im not concerned over looks but I am over build/sound quality.
It would be great If Colm or manfrini could supply a little more info.
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Not sure which deep end you saw greybox1 and sound advice Lester, but we are talking about a new box not at large yet, as far as I know. What we do know is this.
This new machine arrived at our door last night!!! What a machine!! I've been waiting a while to see it. I've been working with the very talented instrument maker Robert Rolston, from Manfrini Accordions, for the past year designing this box. After all the anticipation, it did not let me down. What a great instrument! It has a fantastic keyboard, a wooden soundboard like the old grey Paolo Soprani's and is a joy to play! Perfect combo, it has that nostalgic sound of the old boxes with the playability of a new machine! Have a listen and see for yourself.
"Bosca Ceoil" will be available exclusively from Gannon's Traditional Irish Music Shop, if your interested in one feel free to contact us.
(Lifted from Colm's Facebook page) If there is more Information hopefully it will arrive HERE. AtB mory
"but is this not a forum to discuss such issue's" not sure what you mean greybox
Nearly Christmas ...... "let nothing you dismay".....
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"but is this not a forum to discuss such issue's" not sure what you mean greybox"
Is this thread not " new box from Manfrini"
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With you now (I think), any attempt at replicating the old Paolo's is as, I think I might have intimated, a good thing but in truth it's going to take years to find out unless the age and years of playing have no part in the Old Greys sound. I'm going out, look forward to finding out all about it on my return ;) AtB mory
Sorry greybox1 misread your post. read it as "this is not" and not "is this not" silly me, Told you I wasn't well :-[
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I have spoken to Colm and he is to provide more information in the coming days.
I cant wait to try one. I think they sound great :|||:
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Hi
I asked Robert for details on the box,UK price etc,the e mail I received is bellow.
This is a very new box,made to spec and not an existing model from an established maker then re badged and given a twist.
Manfrini piano accordions are now getting accepted because of there quality,when I first represented them they were very new and a lot of hard work was done promoting them.
Players now playing Manfrini PA inc Phil Cunningham,Mark Knofler band,Donald Shaw Capercaillie.
Hi Peter
The 2 row is 3 voice, wooden pallet board, hand made reeds.
It has had an excellent reception in Ireland, the first sale went to a guy who bought a Briggs, he says our 2 row is miles ahead.
It will be available in various keys, but no changes to 1st,3d and 5th on the chords, they will be as per the reed maker.
Price £2595, only making with hand made reeds, selection of colours available in the usual celluloid finished.
Deliver around 2 months.
Kind regards
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Sorry I haven't got to reply earlier, Myself and my wife Kelly Gannon have just opened a music school and music shop in Spiddal, co Galway. I have been very busy with the new construction of the premises and the general organizing. But I'm Here now. Here is a little info on the Manfrini:
It is a 3 voice mmm, b/c two row button accordion. The action is superb and the sound is great as well. This particular one is tuned at +8-8, I will be tuning my own personal one a good bit wider, but that's just what I'm used to from the old Paolo I always play. The reeds are handmade and top quality! It has a bass lever rather than a bass button and it is extremely responsive in every manner, such as reaction time (even with vigorous bellows movement), as well as reacting well to bellows pressure very well so the dynamics are great! The bellows compression doesn't lack at all which helps the response. As well as that the sound board or pallet board (which ever term you use, is wooden, not aluminum, reminiscent of the old grey Paolo Sopranis. As we all know an instrument only gets better with time and playing, saying that if this box didn't improve at all (which it will), I would be content playing it all the time! You prob know that I like my accordions and like them to be right and this one fits the bill. If there are any questions feel free to email me at gannonsmusicshop@gmail.com also you can get some more info from my website here: http://colmgannon.com/bosca-ceoil-by-manfrini
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Thanks Colm that's just what we needed, between this post and the info on your website we are a lot better informed. There looks to be lots of potential and plenty of options.
On a more personal note I'm really looking forward to your album launch at Camden on the 26th and your appearance with John Carty et al, will you be bringing the Manfrini?
Good luck with the new venture.
See you there All the Best mory
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Colm,
I am confused : )
Are the accordeons compeletly constructed and reeded and tuned in Italy.. or in part at your end.
Thanks
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It certainly sounds great in the videos, and a lot better then the other attempt at doing an new "old grey" job. I look forward to trying one!
What's the action height Colm?
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do we know how much the box weights?
Reed
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do we know how much the box weights?
Reed
Be to heavy for you Reed (:)
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Thanks Colm that's just what we needed, between this post and the info on your website we are a lot better informed. There looks to be lots of potential and plenty of options.
On a more personal note I'm really looking forward to your album launch at Camden on the 26th and your appearance with John Carty et al, will you be bringing the Manfrini?
Good luck with the new venture.
See you there All the Best mory
Looking forward to it myself, I'd say I'll bring the manfrini alright!! I need to bring a couple because I'm playing with the John Carty band and they'll be up a semitone.
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Colm,
I am confused : )
Are the accordeons compeletly constructed and reeded and tuned in Italy.. or in part at your end.
Thanks
The box is made in Italy and finished, ie reeds and tuning on this side.
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It certainly sounds great in the videos, and a lot better then the other attempt at doing an new "old grey" job. I look forward to trying one!
What's the action height Colm?
Hey! The action height on this one is roughly 3mm but that is up to the customer.
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do we know how much the box weights?
Reed
It's about 4 1/2 kilos Reed. Nice balance on it and a great bellows.
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do we know how much the box weights?
Reed
Be to heavy for you Reed (:)
ha! tough crowd! :)
Wish I could give it a try! Let me know if you are ever in the Midwest US
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The Gaillard 3voice is 4.4kg; it doesn't feel in anyway heavy. I reckon response and balance determines how heavy a box feels; I've a four-voice Paolo that's about the same weight and it feels a ton heavier because it doesn't respond as well.
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The Gaillard 3voice is 4.4kg; it doesn't feel in anyway heavy. I reckon response and balance determines how heavy a box feels; I've a four-voice Paolo that's about the same weight and it feels a ton heavier because it doesn't respond as well.
All true Luke, but I would want the balance and response to be bang on and the weight at around 4Kg.
Well said aradru!
In my own opinion weight is a major factor in the flexibility of a three voice. I own a 3 voice 1940s grey paolo and a 3 voice 1960s red paolo. The grey is significantly lighter than the red (havent got exact weights) especially on the bass end. This makes the grey much nicer to play and less stressful on the left hand. I believe the manfrini to have a similar bass end feel (weight) to a red paolo as opposed to an old grey!
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Weight on the bass end is far more important than weight on the treble end. And reed response trumps all in terms of effort to play.
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hi there it looks a great box what brand and grade of reeds are fitted in the box and who is doing the reed fitting and tuning for you
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Well, having now just about recovered from the first weekend of the Return to Camden Festival I can update some info.
Colm played three blistering sets on the Manfrini before swapping to a sixties Red Paolo CC# and then his very early three voice Grey in DD#.
The Manfrini held it's own incredibly well, I was seated about 6 foot from Colm (his side of the speakers, so pretty much accoustic)and the sound was fantastic, slightly quieter and less harsh than the Red with the Grey being softer overall, Colm tells me his Grey is a year younger than Paul Brocks and in my mind Pauls has more bite but back to the Manfrini. It is much nicer looking in the flesh than I was expecting and the grill is actually very pleasing to the eye, I was lucky enough that after his sound check Colm told me to help myself to the box which I did, it feels well balanced and has a nice easy action. It responded easily and when played with a bit of punch it responded beautifully, bringing a huge smile to my face and a flutter to the heart, it is equipped, Colm tells me, with Voci Armoniche Handmade reeds (I have just confirmed this whilst chatting with Robert Rolston). Later in the weekend I had the Joy of listening to Danny O'Mahoney and I have to tell you the sound of Danny's later early Grey BC, was incredibly similar to my ears. I heartily recommend anyone with an interest to consider Colm's Bosca Ceoil from Manfrini it is with out doubt, in my mind, a box that will find a worthy following amongst those seeking the 3 voice MMM Grey sound. Is it an exact copy? no. Does it need to be? no. For me it ticked all the boxes (pun intended). All the Best mory
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Thanks for that info!
Are you going to take the plunge and go for one Mory? :||:
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It is a definite possibility ;) AtB mory
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More Information is required on this Instrument from Manfrini/gannon ie reed quality ,accordion make up etc before people jump in the deep end
If you wish to consider buying one of these, or any other box, go and play one. It matters more how it feels/sounds in your hands than whether it has tipo a mano GT stripes or not.
Probably the best advice you will ever get concerning boxes
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The last sentence above is from me, I cocked up with lesters quote wich is sound advice
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The box that is being made now will be lighter. I didn't find it heavy at all but lighter will be even better! Just on the left side though. As for the reeds they are top quality Amano Reeds from Voci Armoniche formerly Antonelli. Other things that you have a choice with is style and size of logo, color, button height, tuning, bellows color, and grill style for example celluoid, brushed aluminum, chrome and more.
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My father had a Manfrini melodeon with Binci Reeds. They were incredibly bright and powerful.
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... it's going to take years to find out unless the age and years of playing have no part in the Old Greys sound.
Do you know, though it's true that years of playing can improve the sound and response an instrument (if it's looked after), a really good one should still be great when it's brand new, and I believe the sound of the old greys, and old reds, was in them from day one!
It has much more to do with the design, build and materials that went into them - evidenced by the fact that not all old greys, or old reds, were created equally, and certain models are considered much better than others, and cost accordingly more amongst those who know them.
Just a year ago I was fortunate to get a brand-new, though 60+ years old, single-row Paolo Soprani "pepperpot" grille model that had sat, unplayed, in a Chicago storeroom for all it's previous life - and it's an absolute cracker! I had to wax a few loose reedplates back into it, but otherwise it is totally original, as it left the factory, and the sound of it was already phenomenal the very first time it was played...
Here is a clip of Conor Connolly playing it, only a fortnight after I got it, with Des Mulkere on banjo and Charlie Harris on "holy grey" (two powerful players, on loud instruments!), and it acquits itself mighty well with a good man behind it: 1953-54 Paolo Soprani 10-key "pepperpot" (https://www.facebook.com/StephenPhilipChambers/videos/vb.750133154/10152705858048155/?type=3&theater)
I'd never buy any instrument that I wasn't immediately taken with, in the hope that it might get better with playing...
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My father had a Manfrini melodeon with Binci Reeds. They were incredibly bright and powerful.
Binci a mano reeds rock! I've had them in both my Cajun-made 10-key melodeons... ;D