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Title: Trad. Welsh tune
Post by: Sandy on February 19, 2009, 10:21:00 AM
Just love the haunting tune 'Gentlewoman' from John Spiers on Vagabond. Just wondered if anyone had any info about it.
Think it's going to be a Bu**er to learn but will give it a go.

cheers.

Sandy
 :)
Title: Re: Trad. Welsh tune
Post by: Tyker on February 19, 2009, 03:56:15 PM
Otherwise known as Rosline Castle . Tim Van Eyken has a version on New Boots CD..
Can be found in session.org , though you may have to adapt .

Good tune , with acidentals
Title: Re: Trad. Welsh tune
Post by: Robin Harrison on February 27, 2009, 01:42:56 AM
Is it Welsh ? I didn't know that.( where is Rosline Castle ?)........ Lots more very lovely Welsh tunes seem to be getting played these days.
Robin
Title: Re: Trad. Welsh tune
Post by: Steve_freereeder on February 27, 2009, 07:27:09 AM
Just listened to a sound-clip of the tune on Vagabond (on Amazon). Yes - it's definitely the tune I know of as Roslin Castle (aka Rosslyn, and similar variants). As far as I know this is a Scottish tune, not Welsh, although it certainly has a Welsh flavour (must be the minor key).
Roslin Castle is just a few miles south of Edinburgh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roslin_Castle
Title: Re: Trad. Welsh tune
Post by: Tyker on February 27, 2009, 11:25:08 AM
Is it Welsh ? I didn't know that.( where is Rosline Castle ?)........ Lots more very lovely Welsh tunes seem to be getting played these days.
Robin

Rosline Castle is in Scotland and , I believe , was featured in The Da Vinci Codes .
Perhaps the tune has hidden significance.
Title: Re: Trad. Welsh tune
Post by: Bill Young on February 27, 2009, 12:12:18 PM
Is it Welsh ? I didn't know that.( where is Rosline Castle ?)........ Lots more very lovely Welsh tunes seem to be getting played these days.
Robin

Rosline Castle is in Scotland and , I believe , was featured in The Da Vinci Codes .
Perhaps the tune has hidden significance.
We've been here before folks. Some info here (http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php/topic,624.msg4839.html#msg4839).

It was Rosslyn Chapel that featured in The Da Vinci Code.
Title: Re: Trad. Welsh tune
Post by: AndyShear on February 28, 2009, 08:49:55 PM
The session version is in f not a dg friendly key
here's a link to this tune in g
http://www.ceilidhsoc.org/musictune.html?Tune=665&_sn=&_skw=castle&_sg=&_sr=&_sc=&_sk=&_sm=&_ssi=1
Title: Re: Trad. Welsh tune
Post by: Bill Young on March 01, 2009, 10:08:26 AM
There's a PDF of Rosslyn Castle in G with chords attached to this post. (http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php/topic,624.msg4849.html#msg4849)
Title: Re: Trad. Welsh tune
Post by: squeezy on March 02, 2009, 10:45:25 PM
Hi there - while it is quite obviously a variant of Roslyn Castle that I'm playing on the Vagabond track you refer to.  This version was taught to me by Paul Sartin & Benji Kirkpatrick from a welsh manuscript entitled The Gentlewoman or "Y Fenyw Fwyn" - I really like the little mode change from the original which is characteristic of Welsh traditional music and I also love the fact that such a simple change immediately colours the tune differently from the beautiful (but very classical) original.

Roslyn Castle is one of those tunes which was very obviously popular over a large area due to it's inclusion in so many manuscripts throughout England as well as Scotland in the 1700s - it is unsuprising that it found it's way to further countries and became naturalised there.  That's what makes it a folk tune rather than a straight composition!

I'm afraid I'd have to probe Paul & Benji if you need more information about the manuscript they learnt it from.  Apparently they're both washing their hair this week   ;)

Cheers

Squeezy
Title: Re: Trad. Welsh tune
Post by: Bob Ellis on March 03, 2009, 10:45:13 AM
Otherwise known as Rosline Castle . Tim Van Eyken has a version on New Boots CD.

Tim used his version of Rosline Castle in a Melodeons at Witney workshop a few years ago. His version comes from the Thomas Hardy manuscripts.
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