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Title: Brazilian Melodeon
Post by: deltasalmon on February 16, 2015, 05:53:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce2e69B8Fy0

I was impressed both by his melodeon playing and his style in fashion. I was hoping someone could help me figure out what tuning this melodeon is. My guess is 4th/5th tuned but aside from that I know very little about Brazilian folk music.
Title: Re: Brazilian Melodeon
Post by: brazilian.BOX on February 16, 2015, 06:58:46 PM
Hi man, nice  :D
I created the account here to approach with the melodeon players, and also publish more about our brazilian style on it, to the world.

This instrument is really connected with our local roots culture, and we have TWO very remarkable, different and particular styles at the playing of it in our culture.

1- The Brazilian NORTHEAST REGION way (with the melodeon or bigger accordions being the base of the the folk rhythm named FORRÓ

2- The Brazilian SOUTH REGION way (like this link you presented). With the sonority being totally different of the Forró. And also a closer style as the people play it around Europe.

 
The first way we consider that were CREATED by us. It's a brazilian creation, a brazilian very particular way to play the melodeon. As the second way (south region) it is a connection and remembering about our history, cause on those 3 last states below below in the Brazilian map, that part of our country were populated around the WORLD WARS years (1st and 2nd World Wars) with lots and loots and loots of EUROPEANS (specially GERMANS and ITALIANS) running away and trying to survive from the wars.

So, we respect a lot the BRAZILIAN SOUTH STYLE, cause it will always be remarkable as the ARRIVING of the instrument in our country. We didn't have melodeons here before, the Germans and Italians arriving here bringing it at those times. But the BRAZILIAN NORTHEAST STYLE we consider as our CREATION as I told you, cause we need always to convert the tuning of the instrument to can play it.
This is the "formula" we created for it... our very particular tuning (I am always publishing it here)  (:):

brazilian tuning:
push/pull

In row: F/A - G/A - C/D - E/F - G/A - C/B - E-D - G/F - C/A - E/B
Out row: C/D - E/G# - A#/F# - B/C# - D#/E - F#/G# - B/A# - D#/C# - F#/E - B/F#- D#/A#

The people from Europe that come visit Brazil, they tend to identify themselves, on a 1st seeing, naturally they tend to identify themselves with this SOUTH way that I told, (as this link you presented here). Cause it is played generally in the melodeon with the normal tunings C/F (most of the times) and G/C ... but, some Europeans also in Brazil, when they discover the details and the particularities of the melodeon also in our northeast style (FORRÓ), they find is nice, and crazy and funny (and difficult) and some of them try to know better of know about it. The first step, naturally is convert the tuning of any melodeon you have according this tuning here above as I described.


Title: Re: Brazilian Melodeon
Post by: brazilian.BOX on February 16, 2015, 07:14:15 PM
Here some of our best artists of this instrument, separated by each of the main 2 regions - remarkable examples of each style undoubtedly

Brazilian Northeast Melodeon Style (Forró):

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj73I06u5ng (here certainly our biggest artist of this instrument in Brazil  - Arlindo dos 8 baixos)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ajie7Xi94A  (more of Arlindo 8bass)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k5EUBFs8G4 (Arlindo again)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAHF1GEjvrc  (Heleno dos 8 baixos, also nationally known and he is my professor!)  ;D
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwLF1tH3q5Y (more Heleno 8bass)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSUAHkwTm4w (Tranquilo dos 8 baixos , tranquilo = tranquil in portuguese =)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wczIte43Vs0 (more of Tranquilo. I like a lot his recordings! I could tell about THAT'S the sound I pursuit to play one day)


Brazilian South Melodeon Style:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljl27GHwPqQ  (here the also very known Renato Borghetti and his amazing SCANDALLI Melodeon 8 bass)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FDV99I9-Yw  (here more of Gilberto Monteiro this same that you've put in the 1st link of the post here)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=v89rB7jgAYE   (Bagre Fagundes ... not exactly nationally known, but very known in that south region)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW3n5sqvt5g  (here Bagre Fagundes in a nice track when he was younger)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPWojLzefmY  (Here a girl playing in a festival of immigrant families traditions (reuniting families that want publish and preserve their traditions as the people that came from Europe to Brazil, bringing their families and stuff... look well this track... it remembers me lots of the german and irish style for the melodeon... also a bit of the italian... really like a crazy mixing between all the Europeans that brought this instrument for us for the 1st time!  ;D)
Title: Re: Brazilian Melodeon
Post by: gettabettabox on February 16, 2015, 08:29:37 PM
Hi man, nice  :D
I created the account here to approach with the melodeon players, and also publish more about our brazilian style on it, to the world.

This instrument is really connected with our local roots culture, and we have TWO very remarkable, different and particular styles at the playing of it in our culture.

1- The Brazilian NORTHEAST REGION way (with the melodeon or bigger accordions being the base of the the folk rhythm named FORRÓ

2- The Brazilian SOUTH REGION way (like this link you presented). With the sonority being totally different of the Forró. And also a closer style as the people play it around Europe.

 
The first way we consider that were CREATED by us. It's a brazilian creation, a brazilian very particular way to play the melodeon. As the second way (south region) it is a connection and remembering about our history, cause on those 3 last states below below in the Brazilian map, that part of our country were populated around the WORLD WARS years (1st and 2nd World Wars) with lots and loots and loots of EUROPEANS (specially GERMANS and ITALIANS) running away and trying to survive from the wars.

So, we respect a lot the BRAZILIAN SOUTH STYLE, cause it will always be remarkable as the ARRIVING of the instrument in our country. We didn't have melodeons here before, the Germans and Italians arriving here bringing it at those times. But the BRAZILIAN NORTHEAST STYLE we consider as our CREATION as I told you, cause we need always to convert the tuning of the instrument to can play it.
This is the "formula" we created for it... our very particular tuning (I am always publishing it here)  (:):

brazilian tuning:
push/pull

In row: F/A - G/A - C/D - E/F - G/A - C/B - E-D - G/F - C/A - E/B
Out row: C/D - E/G# - A#/F# - B/C# - D#/E - F#/G# - B/A# - D#/C# - F#/E - B/F#- D#/A#

The people from Europe that come visit Brazil, they tend to identify themselves, on a 1st seeing, naturally they tend to identify themselves with this SOUTH way that I told, (as this link you presented here). Cause it is played generally in the melodeon with the normal tunings C/F (most of the times) and G/C ... but, some Europeans also in Brazil, when they discover the details and the particularities of the melodeon also in our northeast style (FORRÓ), they find is nice, and crazy and funny (and difficult) and some of them try to know better of know about it. The first step, naturally is convert the tuning of any melodeon you have according this tuning here above as I described.




B/C tuning in principal i reckon.  the semitone system offers the versatility.
perhaps B row 4th button start, C row 3rd? 
Title: Re: Brazilian Melodeon
Post by: brazilian.BOX on February 16, 2015, 08:54:08 PM
B/C tuning i reckon, assuming button 1 outside row is misplaced or an error? semitone systems offer the versatility.

Not exactly. My mistake... I always inserting the tuning showing the complete 2 row of TREBLE buttons but never talked about the BASS buttons (left hand) I think. Looking the complete running (2row treble but the bass button) you will see that: NO, the B/C tuning is not the same as the brazilian tuning. It could be yes, the CLOSER.
So we use to talk around here: "If you will buy a brand new melodeon aiming to CONVERT it to the brazilian tuning, so, if you can choose, choose the B/C tuning original... cause the number of changing will be as little as possible". So we recommend it for anyone that want perfectly the complete brazilian running in the melodeon.

But if you want play anything close, the B/C is ok also (and it is the best to arrive the closer as you can to it). That's the rule to arrive close: richness in FLAT# notes.

So, finally the complete formula of the brazilian tuning to inform and clarify how to achieve it.

Brazilian Tuning


BASS buttons:
push/pull:
Out row: G/Dm - G/D - C/Bb - C/Bb
In row:   E/A - E/A - F/F - F/F

*** there's a great local discussion about this button G/Dm >>> part of the people prefers G/Dm and other G/D (I believe that with the Dm it fits better in that kind of sonority we would be pursuing converting the tuning... as using the D normal (major) it comes to maybe try to make your instrument closer to other rhythms making your melodeon versatile also for other songs apart the rhythm named FORRÓ

TREBLE buttons
push/pull
In row: F/A - G/A - C/D - E/F - G/A - C/B - E-D - G/F - C/A - E/B
Out row: C/D - E/G# - A#/F# - B/C# - D#/E - F#/G# - B/A# - D#/C# - F#/E - B/F#- D#/A#
Title: Re: Brazilian Melodeon
Post by: deltasalmon on February 17, 2015, 03:46:59 PM
Wow! Thank you for all the information.
This will answer all of my initial questions and keep me busy for quite some time  ;D
Title: Re: Brazilian Melodeon
Post by: brazilian.BOX on February 17, 2015, 09:32:38 PM
Wow! Thank you for all the information.
This will answer all of my initial questions and keep me busy for quite some time  ;D

Ok. No problem. You just ness to choose WHICH style you want to play. If you prefers the SOUTH, so everything you will need is a melodeon in C/F.
So, looking for the songs at internet, you will learning little by little. You can try contact with these artists I presented here also... I can indicate some other still in this SOUTH style.

But, If you are more interested in the NORTHEAST style (Forró), and want to learn songs inside it and play and stuff, so you really will need need CONVERT any melodeon you have at this Brazilian tune formula I presented here. Or, just to start... a melodeon in B/C is the closer you would have as I told above. But, if you don't have already the melodeon B/C so, don't buy it just to play this style, I suggest you go spend 1/3 of the money to try to CONVERT any instrument you already have. And finally, if you don't want loose any melodeon you already have converting it, changing the notes, and if you think in buy one brand new and go to convert, so, in this case, buy the B/C ... cause the number of changings in the buttons are the lower, so with this work of conversion with any professional you will spend less I believe (cause all the flat# notes will be already on it.
Title: Re: Brazilian Melodeon
Post by: brazilian.BOX on February 23, 2015, 06:20:57 PM
Well, just to include some references more, here is one guy I like ... and I laugh about watching it!  ;D
(Most of the videos of the brazilians playing melodeon... specially in that brazilian northeast style, it makes me laugh a lot).
At these videos he is being followed by a bigger traditional piano accordion.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvern_ZAajY
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfb1bZC6ggA
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HReHcoWOP4

This boy here under, he was the the champion in a festival with some kids disputing who was the best of it  :D
www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1_33FfVI2o

And this trio is amazingly funny! ahahahaha  ;D  Look that guy almost bald playing a triangle,when the camera goes on his face, I almost die laughing! ;D
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y3JUACFwek&list=PLYRCuFKVblIwIkELJm2uihHoi5ft4xYRV

Title: Re: Brazilian Melodeon
Post by: penn on April 10, 2015, 08:34:33 PM
Hey Bra-Box is Heleno dos Oito Baixos really your professor or teacher or just a hero?

Your posts about Heleno 8 B and Dominghuinos and some of the others had me digging out some records - if you know Heleno please tell him he's now my hero too - really exciting music, thanks for bringing it to our attention.
Steve dos Oito Baixos
Title: Re: Brazilian Melodeon
Post by: Barry Swanson on April 10, 2015, 10:02:15 PM
...amazing music !
Title: Re: Brazilian Melodeon
Post by: brazilian.BOX on April 10, 2015, 10:07:38 PM
Hey Bra-Box is Heleno dos Oito Baixos really your professor or teacher or just a hero?

Your posts about Heleno 8 B and Dominghuinos and some of the others had me digging out some records - if you know Heleno please tell him he's now my hero too - really exciting music, thanks for bringing it to our attention.
Steve dos Oito Baixos


Ahhaa! Nice Steve dos Oito baixos!  ;D OK. Appreciate your interest. I will tell to Heleno he has a fan from England now! He is my teacher we have classes weekly, and he is a great musician at this instrument. I also enjoy a lot his videos. I've been talking to him, about he could insert more content at internet... but already around the 55 years old he is, some people at this age, they don't like a lot the internet. Practically all his content in youtube were inserted by another people.

About the music here, I will insert more some videos ahead, to be updating and bringing more details about our typical sonority.
If you have a box B/C tuning (as many friends from UK), so you probably can play much of our songs.

C#/D also close (cos is full of flat notes), but B/C is the closer closer about our typical tuning.

Well, I am giving my first steps towards the traditional IRISH diatonic accordion style. I've just bought a Double Ray in B/C tuning that comes with 2 DVDs teaching exactly the Irish Style. Ahead we'll can talk more about our both musics Penn.  :D

Regards
Bra Box
    ;)
Title: Re: Brazilian Melodeon
Post by: brazilian.BOX on April 10, 2015, 10:08:43 PM
...amazing music !

Let's play this!  ;D
All the friends with B/C boxes in hands are already very close to us.  8)
Title: Re: Brazilian Melodeon
Post by: rees on April 10, 2015, 10:14:31 PM
I really like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTKxzLL9jNk&index=7&list=PLYRCuFKVblIwIkELJm2uihHoi5ft4xYRV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTKxzLL9jNk&index=7&list=PLYRCuFKVblIwIkELJm2uihHoi5ft4xYRV)
Title: Re: Brazilian Melodeon
Post by: gettabettabox on April 10, 2015, 10:25:56 PM
cajonn brazilionn    (:)
Title: Re: Brazilian Melodeon
Post by: boxcall on April 10, 2015, 10:30:39 PM
took the words right out of my mouth (:)
Title: Re: Brazilian Melodeon
Post by: brazilian.BOX on April 10, 2015, 10:31:12 PM
I really like this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTKxzLL9jNk&index=7&list=PLYRCuFKVblIwIkELJm2uihHoi5ft4xYRV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTKxzLL9jNk&index=7&list=PLYRCuFKVblIwIkELJm2uihHoi5ft4xYRV)

Yeah, it talks also a lot about our country, social conditions and stuff. Many times we see some good musicians playing in boxes, really horrible about conditions. I have some pity, they could at least have an ENTIRE box, some of the boxes that we see, really destroyed.
About this player you told, here is my favorite of him: www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_k0XTrvdks
Title: Re: Brazilian Melodeon
Post by: rees on April 10, 2015, 11:04:06 PM
I've converted brabox's layout to a Lester friendly format. Perhaps it could be posted to the Keyboard Layout section.
Title: Re: Brazilian Melodeon
Post by: brazilian.BOX on April 10, 2015, 11:43:05 PM
I've converted brabox's layout to a Lester friendly format. Perhaps it could be posted to the Keyboard Layout section.

Ahaaa! ;D
Amazing man. I've been thinking about do it using photoshop here, always planing it. Now I have it ready. Really appreciate Rees! =)
Title: Re: Brazilian Melodeon
Post by: rees on April 11, 2015, 10:01:33 AM
Now I must find an old B/C box to convert to Brazilian. There's probably one hiding at the very back of the very dusty, very top shelf.
Title: Re: Brazilian Melodeon
Post by: brazilian.BOX on April 11, 2015, 05:04:37 PM
Yeah, with B/C you are really very close to the Brazilian tuning. At least is the tuning, pattern tuning that we use to see available always, the tuning where the number of changes to achieve the Brazilian tuning is the smaller number of changes.
Title: Re: Brazilian Melodeon
Post by: malcolmbebb on April 11, 2015, 07:51:45 PM
Now I must find an old B/C box to convert to Brazilian. There's probably one hiding at the very back of the very dusty, very top shelf.
Probably a few other things hiding at the back of that shelf, if it's the one I saw.
Title: Re: Brazilian Melodeon
Post by: boxcall on April 11, 2015, 08:06:02 PM
Spiders need a place to live (:)
I'm assuming your not referring to whiskey bottles because then it wouldn't be dusty  ;)
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