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Title: A tune can't be all on the pull surely..
Post by: Myrrh Music on April 11, 2015, 09:58:11 AM
It must be me....

I've started to try to learn from ear (which I'm bad at anyway) an old tune recorded in the 1930's by the singer Rina Ketty, with her song" Dans les bras d'un matelot" and although I've prodded around a bit, I only seem to find pull notes that match. Flip. I know it must be ridiculous. Should I start again with more prodding?

Also, why can't I learn a tune properly before I'm off to the mangle the next one!!

Mary  :|||:
Title: Re: A tune can't be all on the pull surely..
Post by: Sebastian on April 11, 2015, 10:05:18 AM
I only seem to find pull notes that match.
It could sometimes be helpfull to learn by heart to whistle/hum/sing a song before trying to play it on the melodeon.

Also, why can't I learn a tune properly before I'm off to the mangle the next one!!
Don't know. But if you find the answer, please tell me, because I suffer from the same syndrome. ;)
Title: Re: A tune can't be all on the pull surely..
Post by: Theo on April 11, 2015, 10:10:11 AM
Ignoring accidentals, on a fifth apart box there are only three notes that are only available on pull - E, C and C# on a DG.  Everything else is available on push.
Title: Re: A tune can't be all on the pull surely..
Post by: Myrrh Music on April 11, 2015, 10:13:45 AM
 ;) Ah right then. It's back to the drawing board. Nice tune anyway.

Mary
Title: Re: A tune can't be all on the pull surely..
Post by: John MacKenzie (Cugiok) on April 11, 2015, 10:30:17 AM
I listened to this charming little ditty on You Tube, when I noticed that another of her songs is called "Bandonéon D'Amour".
Now I seem to remember it being said on here, that they are played mainly by the use of 'pulled' notes. This being so, could the accompaniment to the matelot song, is played on a bandoneon?


John
Title: Re: A tune can't be all on the pull surely..
Post by: Myrrh Music on April 11, 2015, 10:40:20 AM
PASS! I was trying to learn it at my husband's request... - he must be mad! and I should have made myself more familiar with it before stabbing away I suppose.  Would it not be playable on a Melodoeon in that case I wonder?

Mary
Title: Re: A tune can't be all on the pull surely..
Post by: Sebastian on April 11, 2015, 02:11:55 PM
This being so, could the accompaniment to the matelot song, is played on a bandoneon?
I listen to this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep5GdG49ueA

There is no bandoneon, but a prominent french musette accordion.

Edit: Here (http://www.partitionsdechansons.com/pdf/15293/Bataille-Henri-Antonio-Parera-Dans-les-bras-d-un-matelot.html) is a link to the score.
Title: Re: A tune can't be all on the pull surely..
Post by: Myrrh Music on April 11, 2015, 02:18:50 PM
 (:)Yep, that's the one I've been slogging over. Methinks I overreach myself. - I'll polish "Jack's Maggot"- as it were :o

Mary
Title: Re: A tune can't be all on the pull surely..
Post by: Sebastian on April 11, 2015, 03:44:06 PM
I tried to prepare a version which is playable on a melodeon. Maybe someone has a better idea how to adapt the major and minor parts.

(abc-code for use at http://www.mandolintab.net/abcconverter.php )
Code: [Select]
X:1
T:Dans les bras d'un matelot (transponiert f\"ur D/G-Harmonika)
M:3/4
L:1/4
K:Gmaj
"D7"(D2F  | A3)     | "G"(G2 B  | d3)        | "D7dim"ded | "D7"cBA  | "G"G2 "D7"[FAcd]|"G"[GBdg] z e/2f/2|
K:Em
|:"Em"gfe | gf>e    | "Am"(fc2-)| cz^d/2e/2  | "B7"fe^d   | fe>^d    | "Em"e3-         |e z g/2a/2|
"G"bag    | ba>g    | "D"(ad2-) | dze/2f/2   | "Em"gfe    | "C7"gf>e | "B"fff          |"B7"HfGA|
K:Gmaj
"G"BBB    | BA>B    | "D7"(A3   | "G"G)zz    | "G"B,DG    | Bd>_d    | "D7"c3-         |c FG|
"D7"AAA   | AG>A    | "Cm"(G3   | "D7"F)zz   | "D7"DFA    | d_d>c    | "G"B3-          |B Bc|
"E7"dcB   | dc>B    | "Am"cA2-  | A GA       | "A7"BAG    | BA>G     | "D7"AD2-        |D GA|
"G"BBB    | "G7"BAB | "C"c2"G"d | "C7dim"e2z | "D7"dcB    | cB>A     | "G"G3-          |Gzz|
"D7"(D2F  | A3)     | "G"(G2B   | d3)        | "D7"ded    | cB>^A    | "G"cB2-         |Bzz|
"D7"(D2F  | A3)     | "G"(G2B   | d3)        |1"D7dim"ded | "D7"cB>A | "G"G3-          |Gze/2f/2:|2
"D7dim"ded|"D7"[cd][Bd][Ad]|"G"[Gg]3-|[Gg]zz|]
Title: Re: A tune can't be all on the pull surely..
Post by: Myrrh Music on April 11, 2015, 05:25:17 PM
Oh Sebastian, that's so kind of you. That's given me something to think about!!  I'll let you know how I get on - sometime.....

Sehr nett. Vielen Dank dafur

Mary :-*
Title: Re: A tune can't be all on the pull surely..
Post by: Sebastian on April 11, 2015, 05:42:01 PM
Keine Ursache, gern geschehen. (:)

I like to play such tunes myself, so I wasn't entirely altruistic. ;D
Title: Re: A tune can't be all on the pull surely..
Post by: Sebastian on April 19, 2015, 03:48:49 PM
I tried to make a recording of it, played on a Hohner Preciosa in C/F:

https://soundcloud.com/weltsauerstoff/dans-les-bras-dun-matelot
Title: Re: A tune can't be all on the pull surely..
Post by: 911377brian on April 19, 2015, 04:44:45 PM
Really enjoyed that Sebatian  (:)
Title: Re: A tune can't be all on the pull surely..
Post by: Grape Ape on April 19, 2015, 06:07:04 PM
Sebastian, between this and Star Wars Melodeon, you are just killing it as of late, and making my day with your playing!
Title: Re: A tune can't be all on the pull surely..
Post by: Sebastian on April 19, 2015, 06:07:34 PM
Thank you. And the next time I will record something, I will switch off the Low-cut filter. :o
Title: Re: A tune can't be all on the pull surely..
Post by: Rees on April 19, 2015, 06:48:42 PM
Tex-Mex and Zydeco music is played almost entirely on the pull.
Title: Re: A tune can't be all on the pull surely..
Post by: Chris Ryall on April 19, 2015, 09:05:26 PM
Did three Bb songs at the Wakefield session today. Also accompanied others in Eb and F.  On a  D/Gaccs these are well off the main rows and essentially work because the scale (and hence its chords) are 100% pull. Here's another I did last month

   http://youtu.be/Mt3aZqweTcE

Ditto (more or less as Rees says) there were several mixolydian A tunes (G instead of G# very common in Scottish or Bluegrass) and again that works because it is wholly pull.

I base it on F# blues, all pull and all on the D and G rows. F#m pentatonic is exactly the same notes as A major pentatonic "relatitive major". So you can jam away "in" the scale … or add in a (pull) C for blues affect. You can do the same trick over the A7 chord when the tune is in D obviously
Title: Re: A tune can't be all on the pull surely..
Post by: Myrrh Music on April 20, 2015, 09:14:40 AM
 ;D Gut getan, Sebastian. Well done. I haven't tried it yet myself. got side-lined on to another tune - again- but I will. Erm, it will be a simplified version though!

Mary



Title: Re: A tune can't be all on the pull surely..
Post by: 911377brian on April 20, 2015, 11:12:48 AM
Simple is always good Mary ;)
Title: Re: A tune can't be all on the pull surely..
Post by: pikey on April 21, 2015, 09:16:27 PM
Some say I'm often on the pull  ;)
Title: Re: A tune can't be all on the pull surely..
Post by: triskel on April 22, 2015, 02:39:53 PM
This being so, could the accompaniment to the matelot song, is played on a bandoneon?
I listen to this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep5GdG49ueA

There is no bandoneon, but a prominent french musette accordion.

The accordion being a musette-tuned chromatic played by Jean Vaissade - who Django Reinhardt had made his first record with, on banjo, back in June 1928. Vaissade was Rina Ketty's husband from 1938 to 1940.
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