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Title: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: tjsmithdog5 on June 09, 2015, 02:43:10 AM
I am toying with the idea of ordering a Giordy as a convenient little picnic/camping trip companion. My nervous system does not respond well to really high pitched instruments, however, so I would like to get the tonality as low as the small size of the box would support.

First off, am I correct that the G/C Giordy will be pitched a fourth lower than a D/G, just as it is with full sized melodeons? Secondly, I am told by my friends at The Button Box that the Giordy can be ordered with reeds a full octave lower than usual, but at the expense of weights on the reed tips which degrade the response somewhat.

Has anyone here had experience with a Giordy pitched at the lower octave (in whatever keys)?  And, assuming that I am correct in thinking that the G/C is a fourth lower than the D/G, would it be a prudent compromise to ask for a D/G that plays in the lower octave of a regular D/G melodeon, rather than going all the way to a low-octave G/C?

Thanks in advance for any information or advice you may have to share.
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Helena Handcart on June 09, 2015, 08:23:28 AM
I bought one from Rees Wesson at Chippenham FF recently, having been admiring these little beasts since Malcolm Bebb of this parish bought one from Rees at Chippenham FF last year. Life's funny like that.

Mine is D/G in the lower octave and I wanted it for reasons broadly similar to yours, portability being key, especially for festivals and morris tarting.  It came with a hard case but I have ordered a padded camera bag that will fit inside a (smallish) rucksack so I will soon be able to take it with me everywhere  :|||: :|||: :|||: It really is the best portable annoyance machine I have yet seen.

I've only had the box for a couple of weeks but it has already been out on two morris tours and it can certainly keep up with the other melodeons in our side - a Loffet, a Saltarelle and a Pokerwork.  It is fabulous for morris although the small size has meant quite a bit of re-learning in terms of bellows control and air button usage. Having neither accidentals or low notes it is not a box for playing too much 'twiddly stuff'  - my usual layout is 4th button start G Scale so I do have to remember not to start tunes I can't finish.

In the lower octave it is fine in D/G - in the upper octave I think it would certainly be dog-summoning time and all the hounds in the the neighbourhood would be joining in.

All in all a cracking little box and lots of fun.



Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: 911377brian on June 09, 2015, 12:21:00 PM
Helena, it cheered me no end to read your write up on the little Giordy. I've ordered one from Rees and having no idea of what tuning to ask for (apart from it being in D/G) I've taken Guru Bailey's advice for it to be tuned to the chin end of G and D (not too technical for you ?) and this seems to be Rees's position as well. Thinning the herd has been a failure, one out followed by one in, so I've started to go for very small beasts....
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Doug on June 09, 2015, 12:33:16 PM
I agree with what Helena said. I bought my lower octave Giordy from Rees Wesson at the beginning of the year.

It's got no accidentals other than the usual C - C sharp option by changing row. It has no low notes on the treble side but the bass side is in the same octave and so it continues the scale down on the left. The bass notes are single reeds and so you have the correct low B and low C if you remember to push the button on the left. It will therefore play every Morris and English Session tune (that I know) as long as they don't have accidentals. If there is a tune that goes off the top of the scale; I don't know it.

The left hand is odd in that the chords are only the 3rd and 5th of the scale. If you want the full chord you need to play the bass note as well.

It's a terrific little box.
Doug
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Helena Handcart on June 09, 2015, 12:47:21 PM
The left hand is odd in that the chords are only the 3rd and 5th of the scale. If you want the full chord you need to play the bass note as well.

Aha - is that what it is?  I could tell it wasn't the full chord but couldn't quite work out what was going. I don't usually do thirds. Hmmm....
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Cooper on June 09, 2015, 01:12:54 PM
The left hand is odd in that the chords are only the 3rd and 5th of the scale. If you want the full chord you need to play the bass note as well.

Aha - is that what it is?  I could tell it wasn't the full chord but couldn't quite work out what was going. I don't usually do thirds. Hmmm....

Yeah, it's strange but fun. It gives you other options then usually, when combining 2 or 3 buttons on your left hand. I wrote down the options i use somewhere in a thread here about giordies, if you are interested.
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Lester on June 09, 2015, 01:14:16 PM
The left hand is odd in that the chords are only the 3rd and 5th of the scale. If you want the full chord you need to play the bass note as well.

Aha - is that what it is?  I could tell it wasn't the full chord but couldn't quite work out what was going. I don't usually do thirds. Hmmm....

I asked Rees about this and he said firsts and fifths???
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Helena Handcart on June 09, 2015, 01:21:36 PM
I asked Rees about this and he said firsts and fifths???

Hmm... seems more likely?
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Rees on June 09, 2015, 01:24:59 PM
You've got me thinking now and I don't have a Giordy to hand.  :-\
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Lester on June 09, 2015, 01:25:13 PM
I asked Rees about this and he said firsts and fifths???

Hmm... seems more likely?

I would agree where it not that I had 911377Brian's baby Baffetti in the workshop for major surgery and that had 3rds and 5ths. His Baffetti was a single row was originally an Organetto before I melodeonated it so that may be why the chords were the way they were????
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Helena Handcart on June 09, 2015, 01:31:38 PM
You've got me thinking now and I don't have a Giordy to hand.  :-\

I do  ;) There's one under my desk as it happens.

From the sound I'd go with thirds and fifths. 
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Rees on June 09, 2015, 01:50:33 PM
I have a couple of Giordys on order. I'll give a definitive answer when they arrive.
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: 911377brian on June 09, 2015, 02:06:12 PM
Please please tell me that one of them is for me Rees.... please...
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Rees on June 09, 2015, 02:29:34 PM
Please please tell me that one of them is for me Rees.... please...

Only if you say please  ;)
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: 911377brian on June 09, 2015, 02:45:23 PM
Please.....
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: pete /acorn on June 09, 2015, 03:26:34 PM
Hi
We also have Giordys' on order,both in Maple and Padouk
Have been ordered for quit a while,please contact us if you would like to reserve one.6 available

Pete
Acorn Instruments
info@acorninstruments.co.uk

PS Just heard from Castagnari,Giordys to be shipped next week,will keep fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Cooper on June 09, 2015, 03:33:29 PM
I asked Rees about this and he said firsts and fifths???

Hmm... seems more likely?

Unless they changed the original setup it really is thirds and fifths.
W
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Helena Handcart on June 09, 2015, 03:37:44 PM
Unless they changed the original setup it really is thirds and fifths.
W

Thanks Cooper - then my ears don't deceive me. I'd probably prefer firsts and fifths TBH but there you go.
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on June 09, 2015, 03:46:45 PM
Helena, will you be bringing it to Sidmouth or Shrewsbury festivals?
Just being nosey....  ;)
Q
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: malcolmbebb on June 09, 2015, 03:48:22 PM
Might bring mine to Sid.
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Helena Handcart on June 09, 2015, 04:05:36 PM
Helena, will you be bringing it to Sidmouth or Shrewsbury festivals?
Just being nosey....  ;)
Q

Sidders and Towersey in my case but yes, the plan is to take it, sorry her, pretty much everywhere.  I'm sure she'll make it to the Blackmore Gardens bar at some point - isn't that where you chaps hang out?
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Steve C. on June 09, 2015, 06:27:05 PM
Jeff--not to get too far off your original subject, but if you are looking for 1) small and 2) low pitch, did you try the Morse ESB? Plus you get your accidentals back.  And/or GC Lilly's are not much larger….
 >:E
--Steve
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on June 09, 2015, 06:41:08 PM
Helena,
I'm working on the bar this year at the Blackmore Gardens dance tent serving some of Devonshire's best ales and ciders at very reasonable prices. It looks like our paths are bound to cross, probably over a pint  :|glug
Q
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Cooper on June 09, 2015, 06:53:58 PM
Unless they changed the original setup it really is thirds and fifths.
W

Thanks Cooper - then my ears don't deceive me. I'd probably prefer firsts and fifths TBH but there you go.

It is easier to jump from one box to another if it is firts and fifths, but really, thirds and fifths is worth trying out. It offers some nice options. A simple one: combining your D-bass, with your Em chord gives you a G-chord on the pull. Another,..really simple one: your D-chord-button is actually an F#m-chord. That's one i always missed on a regular 2r8b.

W
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Gary Chapin on June 09, 2015, 07:05:15 PM
To get back to the original question about response time.

I had a Giordy with the higher octave G/C tuning. It was not at all nose-bleed pitch, but I did notice that even on this one, you could tell the lower pitches were responding ever so slightly slower. I would be nervous about the lower octave G/C.
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Theo on June 09, 2015, 07:10:37 PM
Lower pitch reeds = more are required, so that would be another factor to consider with a small bellows.
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Steve C. on June 09, 2015, 10:00:55 PM
Back on the original post, now I can see what the fuss is about… the price of a Giordy is not (too) much above Hohner one-row territory… Yipes!
(GBH, thanks for your YTubes)
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: tjsmithdog5 on June 10, 2015, 01:12:58 AM
Thanks to everyone for the useful information, cautionary tips, and interesting digressions. I profited from all the posts. Evidence seems to be building that a D/G in the lower octave will suit my needs the best, and that is probably the way I will go. I agree with Steve C. that the Morse ESB (which was demonstrated for me on a recent visit to the Button Box by Doug) makes beautiful sounds, but I am intimidated by the prospect of starting at the bottom of yet another learning curve.

I look forward to joining the Giordy fringe, and I appreciate, once again, the contributions of Melnet to my enlightenment about things diatonic.
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Lester on June 10, 2015, 04:40:32 PM
Re the Chords I have recieved today from Castagnari the following:

With reference to your question, we are informing you that Giordy’s chords are made of 3rd and 5th.
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: TomBom on June 10, 2015, 04:48:58 PM
Now I want one too -  a low D/G would be perfect.
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: malcolmbebb on June 10, 2015, 05:17:50 PM
Now I want one too -  a low D/G would be perfect.
Just send Rees a fish...
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: TomBom on June 10, 2015, 06:46:39 PM
Now I want one too -  a low D/G would be perfect.
Just send Rees a fish...
I was drinking when I read that ... and snorted on the keyboard :P
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Rees on June 10, 2015, 06:49:37 PM
What's this halibut then? You'll be re-naming the Wesson Clipper next!
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Broadland Boy on June 10, 2015, 11:26:28 PM
Has to be the Wesson Kipper - smokin....... ;D
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Rees on June 11, 2015, 11:59:17 AM
There you go, someone had to say it  :D
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Steve C. on June 11, 2015, 01:11:50 PM
"portable annoyance machine" captures the essence.
thanks for this, Helena.
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: brazilian.BOX on June 11, 2015, 02:19:24 PM
I would like have one Giordy too!  ::) And so go to convert it to the brazillian tuning. Here in the PDF the notes.
I get thinking so which part of keyboards I would choose, because the reduced number of buttons.

Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Helena Handcart on June 11, 2015, 09:02:13 PM
This may be of interest to other Giordy owners and this seems as good a place as any to post it, for the perfectly-proportioned padded Giordy-sized case for the not-so-princely sum of £6.50 try this camera case from Amazon (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Portable-Camera-Partition-Protective-CSDD663B/dp/B00JDDM43Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1434052125&sr=8-1&keywords=padded+camera+bag).

The Giordy fits perfectly and the case provides plenty of protection without making the whole package so bulky that you can't bung it in your rucksack for portable annoyance purposes  :|||:
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Steve C. on June 12, 2015, 06:36:23 PM
Would this be a viable layout for low DG?
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: malcolmbebb on June 12, 2015, 06:57:06 PM
Mine is effectively second button start on the G row and first on the - i.e, both rows start with the D. And you have six buttons on each row.
That is determined by the physical layout of the buttons, from the same view the D row starts one button to the right of the G row (and ends one to the right). So you'd need to take that into account.

Beyond that - no idea. I would suspect it depends how busy they are and how long you want to wait. And how good your Italian is.  ;D
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Lester on June 12, 2015, 07:13:13 PM
Mine is effectively second button start on the G row and first on the - i.e, both rows start with the D. And you have six buttons on each row.
That is determined by the physical layout of the buttons, from the same view the D row starts one button to the right of the G row (and ends one to the right). So you'd need to take that into account.

Beyond that - no idea. I would suspect it depends how busy they are and how long you want to wait. And how good your Italian is.  ;D

I write to them in English and they reply in English.
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: pete /acorn on June 12, 2015, 08:21:00 PM
Hi
The Giordys we have coming have the layout in the attachment.

Pete
Acorn Instruments
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Rees on June 12, 2015, 08:39:11 PM
Hi
The Giordys we have coming have the layout in the attachment.

Pete
Acorn Instruments

Yes, that's my standard layout too.
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Matthew B on June 12, 2015, 08:45:42 PM
Perhaps it might be worth posting this in the keyboard layouts "oddball" section? 
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Lester on June 12, 2015, 08:48:26 PM
Perhaps it might be worth posting this in the keyboard layouts "oddball" section?

I'll tidy it up and send Theo a copy for inclusion
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: malcolmbebb on June 12, 2015, 09:34:29 PM
If Castagnari offer the upper octave version as "standard", it may be worth including that too, with a note that the lower octave version presently a special.
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: pete /acorn on June 16, 2015, 05:03:25 PM
Hi

Just had confirmation,Giordy's have been shipped,There are models available in Maple with white buttons and in Padouk
If you would like to reserve one please email.info@acorninstruments.co.uk
There are 3 in Padouk and 2 in Maple available.      Price is £695 plus p&p.will accept credit card later this week,should be here Monday or Tuesday

Pete

Acorn instruments
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Lester on June 25, 2015, 05:25:45 PM
I am now the happy owner of a Giordy courtesy of jilly/pete and some money  (:).

Today's question is why does it have chords that are 3rds and 5ths not 1sts and 5ths. My guess is that the chord + bass gives a full chord. I shall probably change mine to 1/5ths unless there si something I'm not seeing.
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Helena Handcart on June 25, 2015, 05:42:17 PM
Today's question is why does it have chords that are 3rds and 5ths not 1sts and 5ths. My guess is that the chord + bass gives a full chord. I shall probably change mine to 1/5ths unless there si something I'm not seeing.

Once you've done yours can you book mine in please  (:)  :|||:
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Cooper on June 25, 2015, 07:59:18 PM
I am now the happy owner of a Giordy courtesy of jilly/pete and some money  (:).

Today's question is why does it have chords that are 3rds and 5ths not 1sts and 5ths. My guess is that the chord + bass gives a full chord. I shall probably change mine to 1/5ths unless there si something I'm not seeing.

Yeah, its probably to make the full chord with both buttons.

And it works like that for me. If you just do Uhm Pa, you wont miss the 1 in the chord (at least i dont), and indeed you can make whoel chords if you want to do that.

But what i like most is that it opens more and different things than you can do usually. your "D-chord" is actually a F#m, which i think is awesome and something i missed on my regular 2r8b. You can make a complete G-chord on the pull by combining 2 buttons. You can make a nice unstable chord that i dont know the name of in DG-terms ;-) with the 2 chord-buttons closest to your chin. relaxing in your normal Em. And more ;-)

It DOES however ask for some rewiring in your brain :-), if you want to use all those options.
W
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Lester on June 26, 2015, 11:58:42 AM
Solved the problem/conundrum of the 3rds/5ths with a bit of skill and solder. Mine now has 1st/5th chords which seems much more useful.  (:)
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: 911377brian on August 16, 2015, 12:27:41 PM
Well, I'm pleased with my Giordy, but I'm finding the air button a pain. Much of the problem is that Lester fitted a push down button on my Mignon (it was his before it was mine ) and instead of concentrating on learning to use the Giordy's button I lose hope and get the Mignon out. It seems to require a sideways flick of the thumb or the thumb hovering over it, the former gets painful, the latter tiring. I must be doing something wrong,or why would Castagnari turn out hundreds like it..?
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: malcolmbebb on August 16, 2015, 02:48:22 PM
The air button was my main issue with the Giordy. I did contemplate putting a bar across the bass strap, as someone recently suggested for a different box, to have my thumb outside, concertina style. I may still do so.
I found I could either use the basses, or the air button, but it became very tiring to try to do both.

However, I have found that slackening the bass strap has helped. If my hands are particularly dry it's still a little slippy, but I can achieve a comfortable pressure on the air button with my thumb while still reaching the basses. The button is fairly well down on the thumb, but OK.

I still find that I'm holding the air button slightly open at times, but it's easier to hold off as I'm not fighting the strap.
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Helena Handcart on August 16, 2015, 03:10:11 PM
Well that made me get my Giordy out to check  (:)

I remember having problems when I first got mine but now it seems perfectly comfortable so I've just given it a quick squeeze to check what I am doing.  Seems I have adjusted my hand position for this box and have the air button sitting a fraction below the knuckle of my thumb. I am not resting my thumb on the button all the time although I remember doing this when I first got the box - this was a problem as I found I was depressing the air button when not needed which rather robbed the reeds of much needed air.

It is awkward and I think the only way to get around it is just to keep playing it - an excuse for extra melodeon playing if such were ever needed  :|||: ::)
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Grumpy on August 16, 2015, 04:05:11 PM
Although certainly no expert player I had trouble in keeping my thumb off the air button when I first got my Giordy (many thanks Jilly/Pete for providing). I have cured this by using a small alloy disc about 1 cm thick 3 cm across under the top of the strap by the air valve thus giving a little extra width and room for my thumb. I retained the original screw in the center of the disc to hold the disc to the Giordy and fixed the handstrap to the disc with a 3mm countersunk screw about 5mm from the center of the disc. This now give the added beifit of being able to adjust the strap between buckel holes by rotating the spacer disc before securing it fully.
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: 911377brian on August 16, 2015, 07:44:10 PM
Thanks to you all for your suggestions for coming to terms with the air button. I've given the 'bar across the strap' idea a dry run, Malcolm and it looks promising, the only drawback is that I have very broad mitts and short fingers so with the bar fitted I'll be running out of strap..if I decide to make the bar permanent I'll fit a longer strap. Just had a lightbulb moment; wonder if a stronger spring under the button would work? The thumb could then rest on the button without activating it until a bit more pressure is applied...Any chance of a photo of your disc idea Chris? I can't quite get my head round it...
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: 911377brian on August 16, 2015, 07:49:15 PM
Oh, and thanks to Mike Gott for the picture of the strap bar...
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: John MacKenzie (Cugiok) on August 16, 2015, 08:10:32 PM
Would changing the angle of your hand help? I was thinking of using the heel of your hand, instead of the thumb. Tilt the top of the Giordy away from you, sort of.


John
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Lester on August 16, 2015, 08:17:06 PM
I have just finished working on a customers Giordy who was having air button problems. She had had the size of the button increased in size as she thought the original was too small, the problem that arose was that the air button then became far too easy to operate and made the box somewhat unplayable (ie in a cupboard for some years). I fixed the bulk of the problem by lowering the action to make the air button much less sensitive.

So increasing the size of the air button is not necessarily a good idea.

I found with mine that having the strap tight made operating the button more difficult so slacked it off a notch and now have no problem.
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Helena Handcart on August 16, 2015, 08:21:35 PM
I found with mine that having the strap tight made operating the button more difficult so slacked it off a notch and now have no problem.

Pretty much this ^
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: 911377brian on August 16, 2015, 09:19:35 PM
Sorted! Stapled the strap to the box 1" from the top edge which allows me to leave my thumb outside the strap concertina style to work the air button as suggested by Malcolm. Works very well indeed. Added benefit is no holes to fill if I'd fitted a brass bar and it hadn't worked. I highly recommend this mod. Cugiok,altering the angle f my hand might have worked but I've got no radial in my left wrist
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: 911377brian on August 16, 2015, 09:22:39 PM
That should have read 'no radial movement in my left wrist..'
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: papawemba on October 30, 2018, 10:40:44 AM
This low octave Giordy is very interesting !
Can anyone provide an audio recording ? (mp3 or video)
Does not need to be a tune ;D Just some note to hear what it sound like...That would very very appreciated !!

Thank you !
Nicolas
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Steve C. on October 30, 2018, 12:15:34 PM
TJ, for portability, and low pitch, what about a Morse ESB?  Or a Lilly G/C?
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Shakin' All Hohner on October 30, 2018, 01:49:27 PM
Can anyone provide an audio recording ? (mp3 or video)
Just quickly recorded this to my phone ... hope it works .. https://www.dropbox.com/s/k264f3i5x1r3b3t/20181030_134351.m4a?dl=0
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: papawemba on October 30, 2018, 02:06:20 PM
Thank you so much Shakin' All Hohner !! 
Nice playing and I like it, some deeper notes.
This is very helpful.
 :|glug
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: papawemba on October 31, 2018, 01:04:32 PM
I asked Castagnari about the Giordy in lower octave in G/C and the answer is "not possible" because the Giordy is too small !
So that's it  ::)
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: tjsmithdog5 on October 31, 2018, 04:09:41 PM
TJ, for portability, and low pitch, what about a Morse ESB?  Or a Lilly G/C?

Good suggestions both, Steve.  I love the sound of the Morse concertinas, but I'm  intimidated at the thought of taking on a completely different instrument.  I did spring for a Giordy a couple of years ago (this is a pretty old thread!) and I've enjoyed having it in the house. Its tiny size comes with some limitations, of course, and just this week I decided to try for something in between:  A Preciosa from Mike Rowbotham. It has, as you know, a little more functionality than a Lilly, but still meets my desire for a smaller box.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: Steve C. on November 01, 2018, 11:55:55 AM
Yipes. I need to look at these dates!
I did have a Lilly a few years back, and was always surprised every time I picked it up how small it was. When BB has one in stock, they sometimes say "and comes in cute little case". 
But to to your OP TJ, I guess you did go with a "peeling paint" Gordy. i.e. DG
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: AirTime on November 01, 2018, 02:34:25 PM
Good suggestions both, Steve.  I love the sound of the Morse concertinas, but I'm  intimidated at the thought of taking on a completely different instrument.  I did spring for a Giordy a couple of years ago (this is a pretty old thread!) and I've enjoyed having it in the house. Its tiny size comes with some limitations, of course, and just this week I decided to try for something in between:  A Preciosa from Mike Rowbotham. It has, as you know, a little more functionality than a Lilly, but still meets my desire for a smaller box.  We'll see.

Good for you Jeff!  A Preciosa can't be beat!  The Lily has the advantage of better "playability" with it's (more) regular buttons & action, but the Preciosa has the increased functionality of the low notes plus a range of accidentals & the great advantage of the double air button which makes running out of air pretty much impossible. I believe the Preciosa is actually quite a bit smaller than a Lily too.
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: tjsmithdog5 on November 01, 2018, 06:20:39 PM
Good for you Jeff!  A Preciosa can't be beat! ...

Gotta keep up. Can't let all of the Preciosas move to Canada!
Title: Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
Post by: blue eyed sailor on August 09, 2019, 08:55:46 AM
Good for you Jeff!  A Preciosa can't be beat! ...

Gotta keep up. Can't let all of the Preciosas move to Canada!

I hope reviving this elderly thread is deemed o.k.; following a PA intermezzo (with a decent Hohner Starlet and then my Weltmeister Juwel, to reduce the weight load), then having taking up the English concertina again (my main instrument, apart from the piano), and recently the Anglo (and even a bit of Crane Duet) too, I'm now back to the melodeon as well.

Which is to say: I'm very fond of my Preciosas - now have two of them, both Bb/Eb, as it turned out - the first one has been refurbished with a "decent tremolo", in fact a bit more of it than I wanted, and with one reed still making difficulties - the other is still with the tuner with the objective "light swing", or "semi-dry" (?)... and I'm eagerly waiting for his coming back to me.

but... in the meantime I grabbed at the chance to acquire a used, but rather recent Giordy (actually tuned to G/C; it arrived just yesterday), and seem to love it as much as the Preciosas. It's a completely different thing, much encouraging rapid push-pull sequences and sounding incredibly powerful, in fact a bit like an Anglo concertina, but still different and very melodeon (and of course limited range-wise).

I'm not sure as to whether the relation among the basses/"chords" (which are, as frequently mentioned here, in the same octave as the lower end of the RHS, and here with a particularly high G, but lower A) might be more convenient with other tunings (f.i. A/D), but I reckon they all have their pros and cons. Expect me to resume my recording journey with all three of these little gems sometime...

Best wishes - Wolf