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Title: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: Clive Williams on July 01, 2015, 12:37:27 AM
I'm going to steal this great idea from concertina.net! Go back through goodness who knows how many polls, and choose a tune that never won, and play it for us! There are some great, great tunes amongst that lot, and a few of which I have absolutely no idea how they didn't manage to get selected; show us what we missed!

Happy fishing!

Clive
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: Bob Michel on July 01, 2015, 05:27:46 PM
Oh, good! Having lurked on this site for quite a long time before finally signing on last year, I have some catching up to do. I feel a bit like a kid in a candy store.

Here's a classic American (well, Texas...) tune to kick off the Fourth of July weekend. I gather that in the TOTM polls it's been often a bridesmaid but never (?) a bride.

http://youtu.be/Qyqhhpxn_SI

It's wildly popular here and is probably the tune I most often hear other players describe as "my favorite waltz." Certainly it's in my top five or so.

Bob Michel
Near Philly
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: AirTime on July 02, 2015, 07:15:36 AM
Very nice Bob - I enjoyed that! Is that a Maugein box?
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: AirTime on July 02, 2015, 07:23:19 AM
A couple of versions of Jody Kruskal's very distinctive tune "Pixie Wings" - a runner-up TOTM a couple of years ago.

Just recorded, on a CF Sandpiper:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uQcD-j7O5w

On a GC Lilly a year ago, played (I think) too fast:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abvnu39Zin4
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: Bob Michel on July 02, 2015, 08:02:02 AM
Very nice Bob - I enjoyed that! Is that a Maugein box?

Thanks! Yes, it's a Maugein. I bought it fourteen years ago (I think it was) from Jim Coogan, who used to come down from New York State to the Philly Ceili Club Festival each fall with some boxes to sell. Jim was a big fan/promoter of Maugeins, but since his death I don't know of a dealer in this country who regularly carries them.

Bob Michel
Near Philly
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: Bob Michel on July 06, 2015, 03:08:13 PM
Rummaging through the also-rans from previous TOTM polls over the weekend, I came across an old favorite and decided to try it on the C#/D box.

http://youtu.be/IYP5UsfJMpY

I've heard it played in sessions occasionally over the years, though it's not as commonly known in the States as it seems to be in the UK. I'm pretty sure I first learned it in the late '70s from a High Level Ranters LP, and I play it here as remembered (always a dicey proposition).

Bob Michel
Near Philly
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: folkbluesnbeyond on July 08, 2015, 11:19:30 AM
Just chose the most recent runner up that appealed.

Johhny Fetch Your Wife Back.

http://youtu.be/p9iCpypCuIg

Best wishes

Bill
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: Bob Michel on July 10, 2015, 04:45:18 PM
Another old favorite from the backlist, "The Belfast Hornpipe":

http://youtu.be/uJKfaAyw3Pg

Setting aside the pipes, which are sort of in their own category, I can't think of an instrumental pairing I like better for Irish traditional tunes than melodeon/button accordion (preferably tuned a bit wetter than the one played here) and banjo. The runners-up, to my ear, would be 1) fiddle and flute and 2) two concertinas.

Bob Michel
Near Philly
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: TomBom on July 11, 2015, 12:05:07 AM
Just chose the most recent runner up that appealed.

Johhny Fetch Your Wife Back.

http://youtu.be/p9iCpypCuIg
Thanks for posting. Your twiddles make this a really lively tune.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: TomBom on July 11, 2015, 12:13:47 AM
http://youtu.be/Qyqhhpxn_SI

It's wildly popular here and is probably the tune I most often hear other players describe as "my favorite waltz." Certainly it's in my top five or so.
I didn't know Midnight on the Water before. It became my favourite waltz.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: blue eyed sailor on July 11, 2015, 12:42:16 AM
Another old favorite from the backlist, "The Belfast Hornpipe":

http://youtu.be/uJKfaAyw3Pg

This is a very fine example of playing an Irish hornpipe, very relaxed and straight forward!

Setting aside the pipes, which are sort of in their own category, I can't think of an instrumental pairing I like better for Irish traditional tunes than melodeon/button accordion (preferably tuned a bit wetter than the one played here) and banjo. The runners-up, to my ear, would be 1) fiddle and flute and 2) two concertinas.

Three good choices IMO, and the top one really works here (albeit I agree as to the "wetter" tuning)!

Best wishes - Wolf
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: Clive Williams on July 14, 2015, 01:23:54 AM
Come on folks, get those submissions in before you all disappear to Sidmouth!  ;)

Here's my effort this month; La Choca, which in April 2012 lost by the smallest margin imaginable!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KDPltlZNdM

Learned from the playing of Chris Wood and Andy Cutting at a Folkworks week a *long* time ago. Here played on my (ex Guy's) 18 bass Van der Aa in G/C/#, newly back from a serious bit of overhauling/customisation at Theo's - it's sounding great - thanks Theo!

Recorded with no reverb/effects at all; what you hear is what you get in the flesh, so to speak...

Cheers,

Clive
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: AirTime on July 14, 2015, 02:56:57 AM
What a great tune Clive! Some rather tricky bellows reversals to get the hang of. I like the simplicity of your version compared the old Cutting/Wood duet on youtube - it really brings out the brilliant interplay between the melody & the rhythm. Are there any other versions of this tune kicking around?
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: Clive Williams on July 14, 2015, 09:01:09 AM
Thank you :-) I believe there's a DTN video of this somewhere on youtube; there's also a live Chris Wood/Andy Cutting version about on youtube too. Bellows reversals are rather easier when you have a heavily customised unisonoric bass setup (hee hee!), but it's perfectly playable on a standard 2 row 8 bass.

Cheers,

Clive
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: Guy on July 14, 2015, 11:54:24 AM
Come on folks, get those submissions in before you all disappear to Sidmouth!  ;)

Here's my effort this month; La Choca, which in April 2012 lost by the smallest margin imaginable!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KDPltlZNdM

Learned from the playing of Chris Wood and Andy Cutting at a Folkworks week a *long* time ago. Here played on my (ex Guy's) 18 bass Van der Aa in G/C/#, newly back from a serious bit of overhauling/customisation at Theo's - it's sounding great - thanks Theo!

Recorded with no reverb/effects at all; what you hear is what you get in the flesh, so to speak...

Cheers,

Clive

That's lovely Clive, I knew the VdA was going to good hands and be played properly sometime!

Cheers,
Guy
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: Theo on July 14, 2015, 08:25:15 PM
Very nice to hear the result of my labours.  And thanks for recording without reverb, so much nicer to my ear.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: Gary Chapin on July 14, 2015, 10:51:47 PM
Am I missing something? Is there a list of runners up out there?


I'm going to steal this great idea from concertina.net! Go back through goodness who knows how many polls, and choose a tune that never won, and play it for us! There are some great, great tunes amongst that lot, and a few of which I have absolutely no idea how they didn't manage to get selected; show us what we missed!

Happy fishing!

Clive
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: forrest on July 15, 2015, 06:37:31 AM
Am I missing something? Is there a list of runners up out there?



Yes, there is a list. Look here: Melodeon.net Forums > Discussions > Tune of the Month > All the nominated tunes and themes in one place
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: Clive Williams on July 15, 2015, 09:29:59 AM
... or just look through the old poll results - that works too!
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: AirTime on July 15, 2015, 09:25:51 PM
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Learned from the playing of Chris Wood and Andy Cutting at a Folkworks week a *long* time ago. Here played on my (ex Guy's) 18 bass Van der Aa in G/C/#, newly back from a serious bit of overhauling/customisation at Theo's - it's sounding great - thanks Theo!

Recorded with no reverb/effects at all; what you hear is what you get in the flesh, so to speak...

Yes, I like the directness of the sound. What are the reed settings - one M reed? It's certainly a very dry sound.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: Clive Williams on July 16, 2015, 09:14:16 AM
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Learned from the playing of Chris Wood and Andy Cutting at a Folkworks week a *long* time ago. Here played on my (ex Guy's) 18 bass Van der Aa in G/C/#, newly back from a serious bit of overhauling/customisation at Theo's - it's sounding great - thanks Theo!

Recorded with no reverb/effects at all; what you hear is what you get in the flesh, so to speak...

Yes, I like the directness of the sound. What are the reed settings - one M reed? It's certainly a very dry sound.

It's MM, I think - it's tuned *very* dry.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: Theo on July 16, 2015, 10:29:37 AM
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Learned from the playing of Chris Wood and Andy Cutting at a Folkworks week a *long* time ago. Here played on my (ex Guy's) 18 bass Van der Aa in G/C/#, newly back from a serious bit of overhauling/customisation at Theo's - it's sounding great - thanks Theo!

Recorded with no reverb/effects at all; what you hear is what you get in the flesh, so to speak...

Yes, I like the directness of the sound. What are the reed settings - one M reed? It's certainly a very dry sound.

It's MM, I think - it's tuned *very* dry.

[pedant mode]

As the person who did the tuning I have to add that that "*very* dry" is not a useful description.  There is just dry - which is no tremolo at all. There are not degrees or dryness. Anything where two reeds are not tuned in exact unison is swing/tremolo etc. Clive asked me to tune it with the minimum amount of difference between the reeds without it being actually dry, which is what I did.  If you need words to describe it then then "demi-swing" is probably the most useful phrase.  The trouble with all the words used to describe tunings is that they mean different things depending on who you are talking to. ::)
[/pedant mode]
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: Clive Williams on July 16, 2015, 10:35:13 AM
That's pretty much how most of my boxes are set up - as dry as you can take it, without being total - total dryness tends to sound a little odd to my ear. My Lucia didn't really work at that level of dryness though, so I got MikeR to add more swing back to it... and it's *much* better.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: AirTime on July 16, 2015, 02:46:19 PM
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[pedant mode]
As the person who did the tuning I have to add that that "*very* dry" is not a useful description.  There is just dry - which is no tremolo at all. There are not degrees or dryness. Anything where two reeds are not tuned in exact unison is swing/tremolo etc. Clive asked me to tune it with the minimum amount of difference between the reeds without it being actually dry, which is what I did.  If you need words to describe it then then "demi-swing" is probably the most useful phrase.  The trouble with all the words used to describe tunings is that they mean different things depending on who you are talking to.
[/pedant mode]

I know you've written this before, but "very dry" does seem to be a useful description - certainly more helpful than "wetter than totally dry"! However, I would agree that it's a somewhat subjective description. "Demi-swing" would seem a useful term, however, confusingly, it seems to be more commonly used to describe a tuning wetter than "swing". In any case, there are certainly more variations in tuning than there are commonly understood descriptive terms, which suggests that a numerical scale would be more helpful.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: blue eyed sailor on July 16, 2015, 03:13:40 PM
[wiseguy mode] Wouldn't it be appropriate to call such a tuning "fairly dry", or "rather dry", or "quite dry" rather then "very dry"? [/wiseguy mode]  8)
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: xgx on July 16, 2015, 06:07:51 PM
For dry read Pregnant you either is, or you isn't innit

Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: forrest on July 16, 2015, 06:17:59 PM
Dry-ish? perhaps  ???  A good subject for a new thread: is there any (or should there be) conventional classification to the degree of wetness/dryness of reed tuning, or are these terms strictly relative? (End of thread drift.)
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: AirTime on July 16, 2015, 07:37:21 PM
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Wouldn't it be appropriate to call such a tuning "fairly dry", or "rather dry", or "quite dry" rather then "very dry"?

No. That wouldn't be helpful at all, because "fairly dry", or "rather dry" or "quite dry" would be even more subjective! In the case of Clive's VdA the tuning appears (intentionally) to be not "fairly dry", but as close to dry as possible without being totally dry. Short of a clearly understood number, "very dry" seems a pretty reasonable description ... well better anyway than a "teeny weeny bit wet"!   ;)
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: Guy on July 16, 2015, 10:44:22 PM
Clive's VdA is indeed as near as dry as possible, and that's how it was set up originally. When he came to see it he very helpfully tried my Mory, which I had doubts about, and said it was fine, but was "the driest box I've seen". I took it to Rees, with the exact and detailed instructions to "moisten it up a bit". He understood perfectly, worked his magic, and it now sings and is a joy to play. Make of this what you will...

Oh, and thanks Rees....proper job!

Guy
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: Ellisteph on July 30, 2015, 04:03:55 PM
Not the first to do this one, but enjoyed learning it & hope I've made a decent attempt at it. Got the music from The Session website.

https://youtu.be/XxKgMK0vpfI
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for July 2015: Runners Up
Post by: Clive Williams on July 31, 2015, 10:53:57 PM
Thanks folks - time to move onto the next theme - stick late submissions here; very much welcome as ever! Cheers, Clive