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Title: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Clive Williams on October 01, 2016, 09:28:03 AM
Deliberately vague and wide ranging this month. The British Isles is not the same as Great Britain, or the UK - in fact, it's not a country at all - it is the islands comprising the United Kingdom *and* Ireland (including Southern Ireland). So this can cover anything from England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, or Ireland itself. I'm kind of hoping for one or two from the Channel Islands and/or the Isle of Man too, which are also covered!

Cheers,

Clive
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Lester on October 01, 2016, 10:06:41 AM
Mona's Delight (http://lesters-tune-a-day.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/tune-109-monas-delight.html) from the Isle of Man
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: george garside on October 01, 2016, 10:39:25 AM
there are  a couple of crap recordings     using laptop mike on youtube that I  did 3 years ago . 4 tunes definitely from the British Isles  (played on BCC# boxes)

Stronsey Waltz and Rope Waltz on a trichord in need of a full overhaul played in G and D  and Tiparary  and pack up your troubles on Casali both played in Bb 


just put in George Garside accordion to bring them up

george
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: pikey on October 01, 2016, 11:40:45 AM
An unusual tune from the East Riding of Yorkshire - as played by Sid Martin , with extra bars :-)

Napoleon Crossing the Alps ( but nothing like the well known tune with the same name).
A very similar version was collected just a few miles from Sid from
Billy Harrison in Nunburnholme, which is who 'Fathers Polka' came from.

https://youtu.be/cqYkLot4XGk
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: pikey on October 01, 2016, 11:45:45 AM
This is 'fathers polka' from my old friend Billy Harrison , born in Nunburnholme in the East Riding of Yorkshire . Billy just called it 'me dads polka' .
It's never been collected anywhere else .

Billy fought at Cambrai and the Somme in WW1 and was a talented fiddle and cello player .
Musical Traditions have a CD of him playing with Jim Eldon.

https://youtu.be/FvHOPNh-Y6k
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: pikey on October 01, 2016, 02:36:40 PM
Here's a great tune from East Anglia, Seamo's Polka, learned from Oscar Woods .

With commentary from the other Woody ....

https://youtu.be/sA9ZwLDg_RA
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: nigelr on October 01, 2016, 02:39:48 PM
A bit of a cheat because I recorded this a few weeks ago, but here are versions of Flos Headford's Tannerman paired with Elephant's Nest (Stockport Polka), learnt to allow me to contribute to C&E workshops at Whitby:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqMpqgL0mZM

Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: pikey on October 01, 2016, 02:40:00 PM
Another tune from Yorkshire , this time from the West Riding , in the Yorkshire Dales

One of the versions of Buttered Peas .

https://youtu.be/VR-evg1uZuc
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: pikey on October 01, 2016, 02:41:36 PM
A bit of a cheat because I recorded this a few weeks ago, but here are versions of Flos Headford's Tannerman paired with Elephant's Nest (Stockport Polka), learnt to allow me to contribute to C&E workshops at Whitby:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqMpqgL0mZM

Nice one Nigel !
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: pikey on October 01, 2016, 02:47:07 PM
When sheep shearing's done ( the proper name for the tune  >:E )

From Dorset or thereabouts , from the playing of the Dorset Trio

https://youtu.be/Ux7NNdPYa-s
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: pikey on October 01, 2016, 02:52:06 PM
One you don't here very often :
P and O Polka from Cheshire , from the playing of Pete Coe

https://youtu.be/9ZvrRzEF4as
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: arty on October 01, 2016, 07:47:37 PM
 
 I'm kind of hoping for one or two from the Channel Islands and/or the Isle of Man too, which are also covered!

Cheers,

Clive


Unfortunately Clive, there is no traditional music directly attributed to the Channel Islands. All the music, which is often confused as being of Channel Island's origin, is in fact from Normandy, Northern France.
It would be wonderful if someone could prove me wrong!
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: george garside on October 04, 2016, 12:28:40 PM
 there are a great many northumbrian  tunes  that are nice and bouncy and inherently rhythmic that are DG box friendly.  One of my favorites is Willie Taylors 'Farewell to the Dean'' played ass a Schottiche.

Can only find a mouthie rendition on youtube and the dots are in 'the ceilidh band pack' by robin Dunn.  ( where it is set with orange and blue for a 'canadan barn dance')

lots of others in The NOrthumbian Pipers tune books 1,2 & 3

george
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Rob2Hook on October 06, 2016, 12:03:07 PM
... played ass a Schottiche.

Was that a bum note?
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: george garside on October 06, 2016, 01:17:31 PM
 
... played ass a Schottiche.

Was that a bum note?

 ;D
g
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: folkbluesnbeyond on October 06, 2016, 09:25:02 PM
Graham Scofield brought Flatwater Fran to last evening's session. I thought it might fit. Tune by Phil Cunningham, played here as 32 bar arrangement, sourced from abc on The Session.

https://youtu.be/u4jUqaMnU9A

All the best

Bill
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Anahata on October 12, 2016, 09:34:42 PM
Here's the Trade Wind Hornpipe and Corn Riggs.
Listeners of a certain generation (myself included, natch) will, of course, know the first one as (part of) the theme of BBC radio's The Navy Lark.

https://youtu.be/VqIf7-LB9pM

The first one almost qualifies for the summer theme of "something you've just learnt" as I found the music back in June and had a go at learning it then.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Anahata on October 12, 2016, 11:05:09 PM
Two jigs from the Isle of Man

Helg yn Dreain (Hunt the Wren) and The Fatherby Jig (https://youtu.be/Kid-xTmAM1w)
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Clive Williams on October 13, 2016, 12:53:09 AM
Helg yn Dreain (Hunt the Wren) and The Fatherby Jig (https://youtu.be/Kid-xTmAM1w)

Ooh, they're crackers! Gotta learn those!

Here's my contribution for this month, and if you've been wondering where that rather amazing Hohner Liliput conversion Kay Albrecht's been sharing pictures of on facebook recently went, here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHokYQmLeLk

It's the Leitrim Thrush, in C, inspired by the Old Hat Dance Band's version as much as anything. This box just flies along in C, it really does - fantastic work by Kay!

Cheers,

Clive
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Jack Campin on October 13, 2016, 12:54:30 AM
Quote
there is no traditional music directly attributed to the Channel Islands.

Anything from the Isles of Scilly then?

Furthest northwest I can think of is the Shetland jig "Da Shaalds o Foula".  Furthest directly west, "Dingle Regatta".

Tunes from North Sea rigs?

In the southeast direction this has to be the furthest you can get?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTG7-qaStnI
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Roland Carson on October 13, 2016, 07:27:36 PM
This is one of the first tunes I learned to play.
A Welsh waltz called Sweet Jenny Jones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzlQaZ4tGK0


Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: GinDiaTonic on October 14, 2016, 09:49:18 PM
Sadly, Arty is right. Due to Calvinist and Methodist influences, music for dance and song was suppressed in the Channel Islands over a long period of time. Some simple tunes were borrowed mainly from Normandy and used for dance and to sing songs in local patois which often displayed a wry sense of humour. Even more sad is that the melodeon did not appear until after the importation of Morris sides into Jersey in the mid 1970’s and Guernsey in 1984, although the accordion was played as well as fiddle, and in the 19th century la chifournie(hurdy gurdy).
Not to be defeated, and since today is the 950th Anniversary of the Battle of Hastings – to which Channel Islanders can, uniquely in the British Isles, claim to be on the victorious side, as they are the part of the Duchy of Normandy still retained directly by the British monarch - I present a medley of a couple of verses from locally well-known tunes: two songs J’ai Perdu ma Faume and Jean Gros Jean, and a dance called La Bébé(Polka). As the coup de gras, the final tune Eiouque t'etais? (Where were you?) was written by a friend - James Dumbleton - in Guernsey, to go with a song he co-authored in patois as part of a Guernsey song project a couple of years ago. James sings it in GDor but I have moved up to ADor as it is more melodeon friendly.
https://youtu.be/pt1FBM3guuw
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: arty on October 14, 2016, 10:20:05 PM
It is sad, isn't it Jean...unbelievable really. But it is not sad to meet you here, a near neighbour in Guernsey I presume! And that looks like a melodeon built on an Emmanuel Pariselle course... did you build it? A friend of mine here in Jersey has built one and it's a nice instrument to play. 😊
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: GinDiaTonic on October 14, 2016, 11:26:37 PM
Yes Arty -  I was very lucky last year to chat with Richard whilst at Sark Folk Festival, who put me in touch with Many, as he thought there was a space on the course in France due to a cancellation. So 6 weeks later I was having a fantastic time building my own melodeon, and came home with an instrument that has a great sound and is a joy to play.I shall look forward to meeting you if we ever happen to be in the same island at the same time!
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Grape Ape on October 14, 2016, 11:44:27 PM
Helg yn Dreain (Hunt the Wren) and The Fatherby Jig (https://youtu.be/Kid-xTmAM1w)

Ooh, they're crackers! Gotta learn those!

Here's my contribution for this month, and if you've been wondering where that rather amazing Hohner Liliput conversion Kay Albrecht's been sharing pictures of on facebook recently went, here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHokYQmLeLk

It's the Leitrim Thrush, in C, inspired by the Old Hat Dance Band's version as much as anything. This box just flies along in C, it really does - fantastic work by Kay!

Cheers,

Clive

Simply wow!
What a beautiful job he has done on that Lilliput- it sounds and looks great! As does the playing!  What key is it in?
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Clive Williams on October 17, 2016, 09:02:49 AM
What a beautiful job he has done on that Lilliput- it sounds and looks great! As does the playing!  What key is it in?

Great, isn't it? It really is like a new box. It's in G/C; I think I read that Kay got the reeds from another box - it's a complete re-reed job. The bellows seem new, but there is a faint smell of smoke, so I suspect not; I think they've just been refurbed to a very, very, high standard. The grille seems to be the original, but brass plated like all the fittings. There's a lot of thought and love gone into the details.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: John Welford on October 20, 2016, 11:36:58 AM
Clive, Thank you for the lovely version of :-
Quote
It's the Leitrim Thrush, in C, inspired by the Old Hat Dance Band's version as much as anything

I have searched for the score (or abc's) on the Session and more generally but the resulting melodies are nowhere near as attractive as that version.
Regrettably, even after years of playing the accordion, I remain unable to learn by listening so I wondered whether the score of your interpretation might be available?
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Clive Williams on October 20, 2016, 01:33:15 PM
Clive, Thank you for the lovely version of :-
Quote
It's the Leitrim Thrush, in C, inspired by the Old Hat Dance Band's version as much as anything

I have searched for the score (or abc's) on the Session and more generally but the resulting melodies are nowhere near as attractive as that version.
Regrettably, even after years of playing the accordion, I remain unable to learn by listening so I wondered whether the score of your interpretation might be available?

Thank you! I'll see what I can knock up in ABC. I'm no expert so may take me a little while though! [[[ If anyone else wants to try annotating this be my guest; it would seem annotating hornpipes isn't my strong point! ]]]
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: robotmay on October 20, 2016, 05:25:28 PM
Here's one of my favourite Welsh tunes, which nobody seems to have heard of. I'm sure I have the ABC notation for it somewhere but I have absolutely no idea where. It's a simple little tune called Jig y Pentref (Jig of the Village or The Village Jig, I believe). I have bugger all other information about it ;D

https://soundcloud.com/robotmay/jig-y-pentref
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Steve_freereeder on October 20, 2016, 08:23:21 PM
Here's one of my favourite Welsh tunes, which nobody seems to have heard of. I'm sure I have the ABC notation for it somewhere but I have absolutely no idea where. It's a simple little tune called Jig y Pentref (Jig of the Village or The Village Jig, I believe). I have bugger all other information about it ;D

https://soundcloud.com/robotmay/jig-y-pentref

Really nice tune and beautifully played, thank you!  (:)
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: robotmay on October 21, 2016, 12:12:34 AM
Thanks Steve! I've spent half the evening trying to remember where I found it now, and my search has so far been completely fruitless :o
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Clive Williams on October 21, 2016, 01:12:07 AM
Clive, Thank you for the lovely version of :-
Quote
It's the Leitrim Thrush, in C, inspired by the Old Hat Dance Band's version as much as anything
... so I wondered whether the score of your interpretation might be available?

Here you go - the bar lines aren't in the right place, but this plays correctly on ABC Explorer at a tempo of about 96:

First, in G:

Code: [Select]
X: 1
T: Leitrim Thrush
R: hornpipe
M: 4/4
L: 1/8
K: Gmaj
D|:G3/2 Bd/2 g2| a/2b/2b/2b/2bb/2 ag1/2 e/2f/2g/2|d3/2dd/2 ed/2 ce/2|dc/2 Bd/2 A3/2 BA/2|
G3/2 Bd/2 g2| a/2b/2b/2b/2bb/2 ag1/2 e/2f/2g/2|d3/2dd/2 ed/2 ce/2|dc/2 Bd/2 A3/2 BA/2:|
|:GA/2 Bc/2 d3/2 B3/2 |c3/2 B3/2 A D/2EF/2|GA/2 Bc/2 d3/2 B3/2 |c3/2 B3/2 A3|
GA/2 Bc/2 d3/2 B3/2 |c3/2 B3/2 A d/2ef/2|g/2g/2g/2g d/2e f/2g| e/2d c/2B G/2 A3:|

and now in C:

Code: [Select]
X:1
T:Leitrim Thrush
R:hornpipe
M:4/4
L:1/8
K:Cmaj
G,|:C3/2 EG/2 c2| d/2e/2e/2e/2ee/2 dc/2 A/2B/2c/2|G3/2GG/2 AG/2 FA/2|GF/2 EG/2 D3/2 ED/2|
C3/2 EG/2 c2| d/2e/2e/2e/2ee/2 dc/2 A/2B/2c/2|G3/2GG/2 AG/2 FA/2|GF/2 EG/2 D3/2 ED/2:|
|:CD/2 EF/2 G3/2 E3/2 |F3/2 E3/2 D G,/2A,B,/2|CD/2 EF/2 G3/2 E3/2 |F3/2 E3/2 D3|
CD/2 EF/2 G3/2 E3/2 |F3/2 E3/2 D G/2AB/2|c/2c/2c/2c G/2A B/2c| A/2G F/2E C/2 D3:|


Cheers,

Clive
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Peter Savage on October 21, 2016, 06:42:26 AM
Here's one of my favourite Welsh tunes, which nobody seems to have heard of. I'm sure I have the ABC notation for it somewhere but I have absolutely no idea where. It's a simple little tune called Jig y Pentref (Jig of the Village or The Village Jig, I believe). I have bugger all other information about it ;D

https://soundcloud.com/robotmay/jig-y-pentref

That was marvellous.  Lovely tune, really nicely played.  I like the bounce that you have in your playing and the careful placement of basses. 
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: robotmay on October 21, 2016, 09:21:19 AM
Thanks Pete! The basses have always confused me on this tune until I spent some time this week trying things out.

And...success! I figured out where I learnt it from: https://johntose.bandcamp.com/track/evans-jig-jig-y-pendref
If you buy that album (and who wouldn't, love me some Welsh bagpipes), it comes with a tunebook of all the tunes on the album. I also have a few other tunebooks from John Tose; he's a fantastic resource for good Welsh tunes.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Jack Campin on October 21, 2016, 10:29:41 AM
Here is a version of Clive's score which hopefully preserves most of the information while being a bit more human-readable:

Code: [Select]
X:2
T:Leitrim Thrush
R:hornpipe
M:12/8
L:1/8
Q:3/8=96
K:G
G3  B2d g3- g2a|b3 b2b a2g efg|d3  d2d e2d c2e|d2c B2d A3 B2A |
G3  B2d g3- g2a|b3 b2b a2g efg|d3  d2d e2d c2e|d2c B2d A3 B2A:|
G2A B2c d3  B3 |c3 B3  A2D E2F|G2A B2c d3  B3 |c3  B3  A6     |
G2A B2c d3  B3 |c3 B3  A2d e2f|g2g g2d e2f g2e|d2c B2G A6    :|
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Clive Williams on October 21, 2016, 10:34:04 AM
Thanks Jack! 12/8 - that'll be why I couldn't get it to fit then :-)
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: John Welford on October 21, 2016, 01:26:30 PM
I am very grateful for the patience, and speed, with which you made this transcription Clive.

It plays perfectly in Musescore as you remarked; however when I look at the score (as a beginning melodeonist) it becomes more daunting than I had imagined!
I'm afraid that simplification will be the watchword for some time....but then I worry that that will remove the essence of the version that you played....only time, practice and patience is the answer.

later.....

Jack's version is more within my capabilities to try - and for that I  am again grateful - as Jack say's it holds the information .... but when I try it it is 'dead' by comparison with Clive's recording.
It only goes to show that it is the player, not the score alone, that makes the difference.

Many thanks to both  for your help, I hope persistence will pay eventually!
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: TomBom on October 21, 2016, 03:02:39 PM
Even more human readable, notated in 4/4. Just don't forget to play it dotted:
Code: [Select]
X:1
T:Leitrim Thrush
R:Hornpipe
M:C
L:1/8
K:G
G2Bd g2ga | b2bb ag (3efg | d2dd edce | dcBd A2BA |
G2Bd g2ga | b2bb ag (3efg | d2dd edce | dcBd A2BA ::
GABc d2B2 | c2B2 ADEF | GABc d2B2 | c2B2 A4 |
GABc d2B2 | c2B2 Adef | gggd efge | dcBG A4 :|
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: xgx on October 21, 2016, 08:02:59 PM
pdf of same (no # or b)
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Peter Savage on October 24, 2016, 05:14:47 PM
This is a tune written last month by guitarist Dave Malkin.  I don't think it has a name, but it's quite fun to play.

https://soundcloud.com/peter-savage/no-name-tune-dave-malkin
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: forrest on October 27, 2016, 12:53:36 AM
A homespun version of Road to Lisdoonvarna, and Foxhunters Slip Jig, on a Hohner D/G in silver celluloid.
             
                           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POJi2AFM28w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POJi2AFM28w)
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Clive Williams on November 01, 2016, 12:07:49 PM
Thanks everyone - on to the next theme; late submissions welcome as ever - just stick 'em on the end.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Jack Campin on November 01, 2016, 12:37:19 PM
I just got a copy of the CD "Travailleurs de la Mer" by Andrew Lawrence-King and the Harp Consort, of music from Guernsey.  The words are more local (and more interesting) than the tunes, which are mostly Breton and French, but there are a few tunes that Lawrence-King claims are from Guernsey itself (and he should know, he's from there).  Not very melodeon-friendly, though.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: ladydetemps on December 03, 2017, 02:02:08 PM
Here's the Trade Wind Hornpipe and Corn Riggs.
Listeners of a certain generation (myself included, natch) will, of course, know the first one as (part of) the theme of BBC radio's The Navy Lark.

https://youtu.be/VqIf7-LB9pM

The first one almost qualifies for the summer theme of "something you've just learnt" as I found the music back in June and had a go at learning it then.
I've been trying to get the hang of the trade wind hornpipe for ages. It a always turn out like a less Dawson version as soon as I speed up. Lol
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Roger Howard on December 03, 2017, 03:30:36 PM
I just got a copy of the CD "Travailleurs de la Mer" by Andrew Lawrence-King and the Harp Consort, of music from Guernsey.  The words are more local (and more interesting) than the tunes, which are mostly Breton and French, but there are a few tunes that Lawrence-King claims are from Guernsey itself (and he should know, he's from there).  Not very melodeon-friendly, though.
Excellent cd, though!

R
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Amina on November 21, 2019, 05:18:46 PM
ANYONE WORKED OUT THE 'ABC NOTATION' TO THIS BEAUTIFUL VERSION BY CUNNINGHAM? IF SO CAN YOU KINDLY SHARE. I'M A NEWBIE, AND IT WAS THIS TUNE THAT BROUGHT ME TO JOIN MELODEON.NET (I LOVE IT THAT MUCH! THIS PARTICULAR VERSION)

Graham Scofield brought Flatwater Fran to last evening's session. I thought it might fit. Tune by Phil Cunningham, played here as 32 bar arrangement, sourced from abc on The Session.

https://youtu.be/u4jUqaMnU9A

All the best

Bill
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Lester on November 21, 2019, 05:31:16 PM

ANYONE WORKED OUT THE 'ABC NOTATION' TO THIS BEAUTIFUL VERSION BY CUNNINGHAM? IF SO CAN YOU KINDLY SHARE. I'M A NEWBIE, AND IT WAS THIS TUNE THAT BROUGHT ME TO JOIN MELODEON.NET (I LOVE IT THAT MUCH! THIS PARTICULAR VERSION)


Graham Scofield brought Flatwater Fran to last evening's session. I thought it might fit. Tune by Phil Cunningham, played here as 32 bar arrangement, sourced from abc on The Session.

https://youtu.be/u4jUqaMnU9A (https://youtu.be/u4jUqaMnU9A)

All the best

Bill

Hi Amina

X: 1
T: Flatwater Fran
R: waltz
M: 3/4
L: 1/8
K: Gmaj
DE|:"G"G2G2DE|G2G2Bd|"C"e2d2G2|"G"B4DE|G2G2DE|"Am"A2A2GA|
"Em"B2AG ED|"C"E4DE|"G"G2G2DE|G2G2Bd|"C"e2d2g2|"G"B4dB|
"Am"A2AG AB|"Em"AGE2GE|"C"DEG2"D7"G2|1"G"G4DE:|2"G"G4Bd||
|:"C"e2d2G2|"G"B4Bd|"C"e2d2G2|"G"B4Bd|"C"e2d2g2|"Em"B2dB AG|
"Am"A2AG AB|"D"A4Bd|"C"e2d2g2|"G"B2dB AG|"D7"A2d3c|"Em"B3B AG|
"Am"EA AG AB|"Em"AG E2GE|1"C"DEG2"D7"G2|"G"G4Bd:|2"C"DEG2"D7"A2|"G"G4||

Please don't post in ALL CAPS
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Pete Dunk on November 21, 2019, 05:48:35 PM
Here's a version with slightly different chords, D7sus sounds sweet if you have thirdless chords.

X:27
T:Flatwater Fran
C:Phil Cunningham
M:3/4
L:1/8
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Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Amina on November 22, 2019, 06:15:16 PM
Thank you so much Pete.  I'm a complete newbie here and to notation (and to 'formal' learning of the squeeze box).  I'm using a D-G Hohner Polkerworks (same as in the video)...so I'm assuming I "don't" have thirdless chords?! This will take me a while to work through as I'm a slow starter (but determined)...so how would the chords be if I just followed this youtube version to the T (if indeed I'm right about not having thirdless chords).
Thanks again.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Amina on November 22, 2019, 06:35:33 PM
And thank YOU too Lester (only just seen your reply too....sorry, not used to navigating this site yet).  Yes, I'll keep it to lower case (must've accidentally hit Caps Lock, and just went with it).  I'll get there. 
Can I ask, am I supposed to get an email alert when there's "replies" to my posts?  I'm only seeing these replies because I decided to visit the site tonight (no prompts by email).
Thanks again!
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Lester on November 22, 2019, 06:47:43 PM
You can receive email notifications if you click on the NOTIFY button on the top right of the thread window when you start the tread
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Pete Dunk on November 22, 2019, 07:56:02 PM
I'm using a D-G Hohner Polkerworks (same as in the video)...so I'm assuming I "don't" have thirdless chords?! This will take me a while to work through as I'm a slow starter (but determined)...so how would the chords be if I just followed this youtube version to the T (if indeed I'm right about not having thirdless chords).
Thanks again.

If you can manage to follow the video you can't go wrong really, regardless of whether the chords have thirds in or not. The only proviso is that the chin end buttons on the treble side of your box are laid out the same as the one Bill is playing, the first buttons of each row on a Pokerwork can vary from box to box, but the chances are they will be the same.

Keep us updated with your progress and if you decide to explore the written music use Lester's ABC file not mine! Just ask if you want the ABC made into a printable sheet of music. Have fun and welcome to the forum!
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on November 22, 2019, 08:20:14 PM
Here's a version with slightly different chords, D7sus sounds sweet if you have thirdless chords.
...|"D7sus"DEG2"D7"G2|...

I'm intrigued as to how you can follow D7sus with D7. It seems to involve a serious degree of premeditation.
I assume D7sus is C bass with a D5 (thirdless)chord and D7 is a C bass with a full D major.
At first I thought you meant play a box with a thirds stop, but that doesn't work here. Do you tape over one F# and leave the other one working, or do you have a neater solution (or have I got it completely wrong)?
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: playandteach on November 22, 2019, 09:05:06 PM
D bass with the C chord works as D7 sus4. D bass with its own chord would be the easiest resolution. If you did need the 7th then it would have to be over the C bass, or use a C from the right hand. It's possible I've got this wrong as I play GC and might have twisted the answer.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on November 22, 2019, 09:58:23 PM
D bass with the C chord works as D7 sus4. D bass with its own chord would be the easiest resolution. If you did need the 7th then it would have to be over the C bass, or use a C from the right hand. It's possible I've got this wrong as I play GC and might have twisted the answer.

D7sus must involves CDA in some inversion, or other.

D bass with C5 chord gives CDG. Can't be that.
C bass with D5 chord gives CDA. Works fine. But D7 is CDF#A. That means taping off only one D. Never met anyone who did that.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: playandteach on November 22, 2019, 10:25:45 PM
CDG is D7 sus4. So D with C5 chord is right. You are correct in that it doesn't have the A in there, so if you have no thirds, you can play D5 and C5 at the same time over a D bass. I guess it depends on the individual box to see how overpowering that is, but I know that Toon was talking about chord combinations at the Wensleydale workshops - saying how often he uses them.
I don't get why you'd need to tape over a D at all?
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on November 22, 2019, 10:50:03 PM
CDG is D7 sus4. So D with C5 chord is right. You are correct in that it doesn't have the A in there, so if you have no thirds, you can play D5 and C5 at the same time over a D bass. I guess it depends on the individual box to see how overpowering that is, but I know that Toon was talking about chord combinations at the Wensleydale workshops - saying how often he uses them.
I don't get why you'd need to tape over a D at all?

I was thinking in pokerwork terms. Your solution works with  thirdless chords (thirds stop?) to give D7sus4, but that's not what Pete said. No mention of 4, or 6 come to that,. he just said D7sus (maybe that should be Dsus7) and I don't see where you get the actual D7 (CDF#A) without any thirds.

The only way, I can see, to get the chords as (possibly) stated is to tape off one of the D chord F#s.

I wonder if you're right. I look forward to finding out.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Pete Dunk on November 22, 2019, 11:03:03 PM
I don't get why you'd need to tape over a D at all?

Neither do I. A suspended chord is a chord with the third missing so D7sus is D7 without the F#. You can add a G to make it D7sus4 or an E to make it D7sus2 or arguably D9sus. Guitarists use little riffs of D, Dsus4, D, Dsus2, D all the time, a bit like playing a turn, same with the A chord, they are standard decorations. On any box with the thirds taped off, all of the chords are sus chords by default. A guitarist calls thirdless chords 'power chords', much loved in heavy rock circles.

Edited to add: I think we are going well off topic here and should move this to a new thread if needed.  (:)
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on November 22, 2019, 11:38:19 PM
I don't get why you'd need to tape over a D at all?

... On any box with the thirds taped off, all of the chords are sus chords by default...


So how do you play the straight D7 (i.e., D7 with the third)?
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Pete Dunk on November 22, 2019, 11:40:34 PM
Add an F# on the treble end!
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on November 22, 2019, 11:48:57 PM
Add an F# on the treble end!

Oh.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Amina on December 22, 2019, 08:30:22 PM
Re:If you can manage to follow the video you can't go wrong really, regardless of whether the chords have thirds in or not. The only proviso is that the chin end buttons on the treble side of your box are laid out the same as the one Bill is playing, the first buttons of each row on a Pokerwork can vary from box to box, but the chances are they will be the same.

Keep us updated with your progress and if you decide to explore the written music use Lester's ABC file not mine! Just ask if you want the ABC made into a printable sheet of music. Have fun and welcome to the forum!
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Update: So I've been using Lester's ABC, AND watching the video on Youtube at slow speed but am still struggling (I hope I don't embarrass myself with the following queries):

1. I was struggling at times to see if Bill was playing the notes on the D row or the G row.  I thought it'd help me if I looked to see if the bellows were being squeezed in or out, but for the C-chord notes I still can't tell (what with the 2 lower-inner chord buttons all being C's whether being pushed or pull).  Would it be possible for you, or anyone else, to add an (in) or (out) after the notes in the "C" chords in Lester's ABC notation, to guide me? (hope i'm making sense)

2. Also, to confirm, the top (chin end) button on my D-row is G#(push) B-flat (pull); and on my G-row it's F (push) E-flat (pull) ... is this the same as on Bill's do you think?

3. So to play the D7 chord, do I play the F# button on my treble side (pulling button 2 on the G-row) in addition to the D-chord on my left side; OR do I play D-bass on the left, in addition to F# on the treble?

4. Could you indeed make Lester's ABC version into a printable sheet of music pleeease?

[at the moment, I'm adding a dot . beside the notes that are played on the D-row, to let me know not to play them on the G-row...and I'm getting there with the tune (albeit without knowing if some notes are being played on the 'correct' row); wondering if anyone else does that, or if there's another 'accepted' way to indicate which row to play the note on esp when it's accompanied by a "C" chord that I cant tell is being pushed or pulled out.  Once I can sort out what I'm doing with the "C" chord buttons, and "D7", then I'll be able to get going with refining the accompaniment!]
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Pete Dunk on December 22, 2019, 10:50:38 PM
1. I was struggling at times to see if Bill was playing the notes on the D row or the G row.  I thought it'd help me if I looked to see if the bellows were being squeezed in or out, but for the C-chord notes I still can't tell (what with the 2 lower-inner chord buttons all being C's whether being pushed or pull).  Would it be possible for you, or anyone else, to add an (in) or (out) after the notes in the "C" chords in Lester's ABC notation, to guide me? (hope i'm making sense)

2. Also, to confirm, the top (chin end) button on my D-row is G#(push) B-flat (pull); and on my G-row it's F (push) E-flat (pull) ... is this the same as on Bill's do you think?

I'll have to look at this later as I haven't got time at the moment, perhaps someone else can jump in and give you some answers.

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3. So to play the D7 chord, do I play the F# button on my treble side (pulling button 2 on the G-row) in addition to the D-chord on my left side; OR do I play D-bass on the left, in addition to F# on the treble?

I doubt your box has been modified so the F# will be in your D chord, even if it wasn't the D7 effect would still work, don't worry about it.

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4. Could you indeed make Lester's ABC version into a printable sheet of music pleeease?

Attached.

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[at the moment, I'm adding a dot . beside the notes that are played on the D-row, to let me know not to play them on the G-row...and I'm getting there with the tune (albeit without knowing if some notes are being played on the 'correct' row); wondering if anyone else does that, or if there's another 'accepted' way to indicate which row to play the note on esp when it's accompanied by a "C" chord that I cant tell is being pushed or pulled out.  Once I can sort out what I'm doing with the "C" chord buttons, and "D7", then I'll be able to get going with refining the accompaniment!]

I don't use tabs or direction symbols so it's better if someone else tackles this. (in one instance The C chord is played with the E on the bottom line of the music, that note is only available on the D row as a pull note, watch out for clues like that.)

Pete.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on December 22, 2019, 11:09:17 PM
4. Could you indeed make Lester's ABC version into a printable sheet of music pleeease?

Here you are, Amina.

This site has a load of useful links to get you into using abc as it is intended to be used. You need to get yourself an editor. ABCexplorer is recommended. There are plenty more good ones, though.

http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php/page,abc.html



Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Amina on December 23, 2019, 01:39:01 PM
Thank you Pete & Thank you Greg! Music sheet downloaded!
Will look into an editor.
Thanks for all the tips - any & every is really appreciated (esp the one about the E on the D-row, in the last "C" chord....hopefully I'll get pointers from others for the other "C" chords...as I just can't make head nor tail of it from the video!)

You guys are all so helpful. THANK you so much, from this novice!
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for October 2016: Tunes from the British Isles
Post by: Gena Crisman on December 23, 2019, 02:24:36 PM
2. Also, to confirm, the top (chin end) button on my D-row is G#(push) B-flat (pull); and on my G-row it's F (push) E-flat (pull) ... is this the same as on Bill's do you think?

No, that is not the same. But, this tune has no accidentals, and neither does Bill's box - he has a pull D note that he uses for the DE pickup notes & runs throughout the piece.

You may have to play these notes on the press, instead, but, that should be fine.
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