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Title: Oakwood
Post by: squeezy on November 13, 2016, 12:49:30 AM
I had a go on the first new Oakwood made since they stopped making them ... a brand new 2 voice design ... every bit as quick, responsive and loud as the old model 2 but with a much improved bass reed response.  To say I was surprised that this box exists is an understatement!
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on November 13, 2016, 09:26:19 AM
Ok, I'll bite!
Does this mean get are starting to build again?
On another thread about Sandpiper, it appears the marque is being split off from the Music Room as a 'standalone' business, I wonder if it is all part of this same venture.
Q
Intrigued!
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Lester on November 13, 2016, 02:48:23 PM
At least two have been preordered, can't name names (:)
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on November 13, 2016, 02:59:11 PM
mmm.... I'm really confused.
The Music Room seems to have cut down their stock to one page of melodeons, in fact down to 8 boxes.
googling 'Oakwood' turns up everything from a theme park over the pond to HMP Oakwood..... but no melodeons except really old posts.
Wos going on?
Confused of Devon.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Theo on November 13, 2016, 03:10:38 PM

The Music Room seems to have cut down their stock to one page of melodeons, in fact down to 8 boxes.

That is the default list which only shows new boxes.  If you choose secondhand melodeons there are quite a few more.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on November 13, 2016, 03:49:24 PM
Ah yes, just checked that out. Thanks for reminding me.
Q
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Theo on November 13, 2016, 03:55:39 PM
It's still a very low level compared with the usual MR stock.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on November 13, 2016, 04:10:02 PM
I had exactly the same thought!
Q
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: pikey on November 13, 2016, 04:36:50 PM
I heard that the Music Room were selling up
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on November 13, 2016, 04:50:11 PM
Blimey that will be a shock to us all.
I think we need to be careful and not start any unfounded rumours, but something seems to be going on
Q
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Lester on November 13, 2016, 04:51:00 PM
Back to the Oakwood  ;)

Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on November 13, 2016, 05:03:15 PM
Indeed....
Well sir, that looks a bit nice!
Assuming you've played it rather than just taken a picture, What are your thoughts?
Q
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Lester on November 13, 2016, 05:06:03 PM
Indeed....
Well sir, that looks a bit nice!
Assuming you've played it rather than just taken a picture, What are your thoughts?
Q
Bright/loud/quiet/joy to play/nice weight

I might have ordered one :)
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: malcolmbebb on November 13, 2016, 05:32:51 PM
I might have ordered one :)
Can't think who else might have.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Matthew Rickard on November 13, 2016, 08:27:05 PM
Amazed by the range of volume. Reeds activated with the slightest of pressure. I play a baffetti binci and it was far better.
Oakwoods are for sale again, ordered direct (I'm sure contact details will appear). There were also Sandpipers for sale.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on November 13, 2016, 09:05:22 PM
Where did you see them to have a go?
Q
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Lester on November 13, 2016, 09:07:50 PM
Where did you see IT to have a go?
Q

Melodeons at Witney
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on November 13, 2016, 09:11:35 PM
Ah.... I did wonder if it was coincidental that the news came this weekend.
Q
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: playandteach on November 13, 2016, 10:35:50 PM
I had a quick go on the Oakwood and it did feel responsive, but the instrument I wanted to put on my Christmas list was a GC Lilium. Didn't try the DG, but I'm sure it was just as rich. Came away with a gig bag instead.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: IanD on November 13, 2016, 11:09:56 PM
I had a go on the first new Oakwood made since they stopped making them ... a brand new 2 voice design ... every bit as quick, responsive and loud as the old model 2 but with a much improved bass reed response.  To say I was surprised that this box exists is an understatement!
The bass reeds were always by far the weakest point of the small old Oakwoods, so this is good news :-)
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: PatC on November 14, 2016, 12:12:31 AM
A very nice looking box, although I would prefer a plain bellows, and first impressions seem very positive.
I look forward to the first YouTube videos to hear how it compares to the older models.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Steve_freereeder on November 14, 2016, 07:17:12 AM
I heard that the Music Room were selling up
Blimey that will be a shock to us all.
I think we need to be careful and not start any unfounded rumours, but something seems to be going on
Yes - confirmed at Melodeons at Witney.
The Music Room in its present form is closing down. The existing business partnership has been dissolved. However, Martyn Banks ('Mr Oakwood') is hoping to continue with some sort of presence on the existing site.

Back on topic: I tried out the new prototype Oakwood too - very nice lightweight two voice 2-row D/G box in a standard 11/10 + 8 button configuration. Nice responsive reeds (Binci, I think) and well balanced basses/chords. The tuning was a light-ish tremolo, nowhere near as wet as a factory Hohner but more wobble than a Castagnari. I would say a similar sound to the old classic Oakwoods.

The were two stops on the LH side to remove the lowest reed from the bass notes and to remove the thirds from the chords. A design fault on the prototype was that the stops were too close together which meant that it was awkward to close the top bellows strap - you had to wiggle it in between the shafts of the stops. However, that can probably be corrected on future instruments with a bit of nifty internal design modification.

A very nice looking box, although I would prefer a plain bellows....
It's just bellows tape. I expect you could order bellows with whatever pattern you wanted, or simply plain. 
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: NineOclock on November 14, 2016, 08:29:25 AM
That's good news, I have a model 2 and its the only one of my boxes I couldn't part with.

I had contemplated a DB special for Morris, but feel I can wait now.

Nigel
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Steve Fox on November 14, 2016, 08:34:00 AM
Was there an Oakwood stall as such at Witney, Steve, or were the new Oakwoods on show on the Music Room stand?
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Lester on November 14, 2016, 09:38:14 AM
A design fault on the prototype was that the stops were too close together which meant that it was awkward to close the top bellows strap - you had to wiggle it in between the shafts of the stops. However, that can probably be corrected on future instruments with a bit of nifty internal design modification.

Martyn said this will be corrected on the production versions
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Lester on November 14, 2016, 09:39:32 AM
Was there an Oakwood stall as such at Witney, Steve, or were the new Oakwoods on show on the Music Room stand?

The stand with the sandpipers on was Martyn's stand and he had the prototype there for testing/tempting  (:)
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: jonm on November 14, 2016, 10:29:33 AM
For those not at Witney, any idea of cost, opportunities to try and how to order one, please?
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Matthew Rickard on November 14, 2016, 10:50:02 AM
Was there an Oakwood stall as such at Witney, Steve, or were the new Oakwoods on show on the Music Room stand?

The stand with the sandpipers on was Martyn's stand and he had the prototype there for testing/tempting  (:)

So how did the "tempting" part go for him?


I don't know Martyn personally but from chatting to him I got the impression that he was to continue as a trader selling his own Oakwoods made to order, Sandpipers (as these were his design) and some other boxes buying/selling/trading basis. Whether this will be as part of the Musicroom in some new form going forward or not was still up in the air - he is far more interested in the designing/making instruments side of things than the running a business part.

So right now, it is all direct with Martyn, so contact him if you want a box.


For those not at Witney, any idea of cost, opportunities to try and how to order one, please?

I believe the standard price was going to be £2,800, don't know if anyone else can remember but that is the number in my memory. I would say expensive considering the spec (it does the same as a Baffetti Binci with 2 stops) but great value considering the quality and the sound.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on November 14, 2016, 11:17:18 AM
Just letting things whirl around in my mind..... there are so many questions coming out of this thread!

I'm wondering how the Oakwood prototype compares to the Walnut 'Specials from the Music Room.
I've tried a couple of those Specials and quite liked them, Matthew says it seems more responsive than his Baffetti Binci.

It also poses the questions, will the Baffetti Binci's and Specials still be made or will the real Oakwoods replace them?
The Binci in particular seems to be the morris weapon of choice but perhaps because the alternatives are limited.
Exciting news though!
Q
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Matthew Rickard on November 14, 2016, 11:20:57 AM
Matthew says it seems more responsive than his Baffetti Binci.
Oh that prototype Oakwood was a class above my Baffetti Binci, and the testimonials from people who can actually play and the endorsements from those who have preordered speak volumes.


It also poses the questions, will the Baffetti Binci's and Specials still be made or will the real Oakwoods replace them?
The Binci in particular seems to be the morris weapon of choice but perhaps because the alternatives are limited.

I would speculate that they Baffetti Binci's are at an end. They have vanished as new instruments on the Music Room website and if Martyn is concentrating on making Oakwoods and if the Music Room partnership is ending, that probably means they are no more. But who knows what the future holds?
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: brianread on November 14, 2016, 11:28:56 AM
For those not at Witney, any idea of cost, opportunities to try and how to order one, please?

+1
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Matthew Rickard on November 14, 2016, 11:34:01 AM
For those not at Witney, any idea of cost, opportunities to try and how to order one, please?

+1

The price of £2,800 was mentioned as a standard price (the first pre-orders got a discount). Custom made so maybe could even put your air button in at the bottom for you, Brian! Only downside is that the next time I see you up in Liverpool for work I wont be able to have a go on your shiney new Oakwood.

Hopefully someone else can say how to contact Martyn.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: brianread on November 14, 2016, 11:42:07 AM
The price of £2,800 was mentioned as a standard price (the first pre-orders got a discount). Custom made so maybe could even put your air button in at the bottom for you, Brian! Only downside is that the next time I see you up in Liverpool for work I wont be able to have a go on your shiney new Oakwood.

Actually if its any good, it should be playable without using the air button! I sometime do that as an experiment.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Theo on November 14, 2016, 11:52:40 AM
You can contact Martyn through the Oakwood website
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Anahata on November 14, 2016, 11:58:45 AM
Actually if its any good, it should be playable without using the air button! I sometime do that as an experiment.

I don't see how that's possible, unless it uses no air at all or you have to choose your tune carefully.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: brianread on November 14, 2016, 12:09:41 PM
Actually if its any good, it should be playable without using the air button! I sometime do that as an experiment.

I don't see how that's possible, unless it uses no air at all or you have to choose your tune carefully.

Clearly you have to start with the bellows in the middle and play something that works, many simple tunes do (Standard Morris tunes especially), Am/Em often don't. Good exercise in bellows control I think. G rather than D as the larger and lower D notes seem to need more air.

While we are talking bellows exercises  - playing as quietly as possible is also a good trick.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: brianread on November 14, 2016, 12:11:50 PM
You can contact Martyn through the Oakwood website

Is that the same as the MR website-  or is there a specific Oakwood site? (I've tried googling it).

Ok, found it now:

http://www.oakwoodinstruments.co.uk/four/index.htm
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Clive Williams on November 14, 2016, 12:23:38 PM
You want this one:

http://www.oakwoodinstruments.co.uk/

Oakwood are a separate concern, doing lots of string instruments as the 'day job'.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Steve_freereeder on November 14, 2016, 12:49:34 PM
Was there an Oakwood stall as such at Witney, Steve, or were the new Oakwoods on show on the Music Room stand?

The stand with the sandpipers on was Martyn's stand and he had the prototype there for testing/tempting  (:)
Yes - what Lester said; there was no Music Room stand at Witney.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Steve_freereeder on November 14, 2016, 12:52:30 PM
So how did the "tempting" part go for him?
Somebody at Witney bought the prototype, I believe. Was it someone on here? Own up!!!
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Lester on November 14, 2016, 12:55:38 PM
So how did the "tempting" part go for him?
Somebody at Witney bought the prototype, I believe. Was it someone on here? Own up!!!

The prototype was not for sale, but I do know of two pre-orders taken at Witney with the generous discount.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Steve_freereeder on November 14, 2016, 01:02:55 PM
So how did the "tempting" part go for him?
Somebody at Witney bought the prototype, I believe. Was it someone on here? Own up!!!

The prototype was not for sale, but I do know of two pre-orders taken at Witney with the generous discount.
The original intention was for it not to be for sale. However, I have it on good authority (my wife!) that by the end of the afternoon, someone actually bought the prototype and took it away with them...
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Matthew Rickard on November 14, 2016, 01:19:18 PM
So how did the "tempting" part go for him?
Somebody at Witney bought the prototype, I believe. Was it someone on here? Own up!!!

The prototype was not for sale, but I do know of two pre-orders taken at Witney with the generous discount.
The original intention was for it not to be for sale. However, I have it on good authority (my wife!) that by the end of the afternoon, someone actually bought the prototype and took it away with them...

I'm not sure - Martyn had it in a bag on his back as he left.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Steve_freereeder on November 14, 2016, 01:21:21 PM
So how did the "tempting" part go for him?
Somebody at Witney bought the prototype, I believe. Was it someone on here? Own up!!!

The prototype was not for sale, but I do know of two pre-orders taken at Witney with the generous discount.
The original intention was for it not to be for sale. However, I have it on good authority (my wife!) that by the end of the afternoon, someone actually bought the prototype and took it away with them...

I'm not sure - Martyn had it in a bag on his back as he left.
Hmm... fair enough, we could have been fed mis-information then.   :-[
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: pipives on November 14, 2016, 01:29:41 PM
Where did you see IT to have a go?
Q

Melodeons at Witney

Balls..... now i'm really annoyed that I couldn't be there  ;)
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Rees on November 14, 2016, 01:31:23 PM
Where did you see IT to have a go?
Q

Melodeons at Witney

Balls..... now i'm really annoyed that I couldn't be there  ;)

We missed you, honey .........
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Lester on November 14, 2016, 01:37:05 PM
So how did the "tempting" part go for him?
Somebody at Witney bought the prototype, I believe. Was it someone on here? Own up!!!

The prototype was not for sale, but I do know of two pre-orders taken at Witney with the generous discount.
The original intention was for it not to be for sale. However, I have it on good authority (my wife!) that by the end of the afternoon, someone actually bought the prototype and took it away with them...

I'm not sure - Martyn had it in a bag on his back as he left.
Hmm... fair enough, we could have been fed mis-information then.   :-[

Are you saying your better half was wrong, you live dangerously   ;)
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Steve_freereeder on November 14, 2016, 04:00:04 PM
Are you saying your better half was wrong, you live dangerously   ;)
No, Lester. She is never wrong. I did say we could have been fed mis-information...
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Helena Handcart on November 14, 2016, 05:29:55 PM
I understand a third one has now been ordered - although I am not at liberty to name names of course*


*it wasn't me
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: IanD on November 14, 2016, 07:21:29 PM
Matthew says it seems more responsive than his Baffetti Binci.
Oh that prototype Oakwood was a class above my Baffetti Binci, and the testimonials from people who can actually play and the endorsements from those who have preordered speak volumes.


It also poses the questions, will the Baffetti Binci's and Specials still be made or will the real Oakwoods replace them?
The Binci in particular seems to be the morris weapon of choice but perhaps because the alternatives are limited.

I would speculate that they Baffetti Binci's are at an end. They have vanished as new instruments on the Music Room website and if Martyn is concentrating on making Oakwoods and if the Music Room partnership is ending, that probably means they are no more. But who knows what the future holds?

If there are no more BBs that would be a shame -- I'm sure the Oakwood will be brilliant (and more versatile, like the BB special) but it's also considerably more expensive, and I doubt that it'll any better than the BB for the things the BB is good at (e.g. loud outdoor playing for Morris).
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Pete Dunk on November 14, 2016, 10:33:47 PM
Martyn is one of my oldest and dearest friends. I do wonder what he's up to now! ;)
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: savantuk on November 15, 2016, 11:05:01 PM
I had quite a long chat with John Turner yesterday, and he did tell me that the partnership with Martin is at an end and that the Music Room is closing, and that the stock of melodeons is being run down, hence the current low stock.  I regard them both as friends, and it's a shame to see the business in this predicament.

Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on November 16, 2016, 07:37:46 AM
Yes I agree.
For me the Music Room stall at festivals was always a place to head for after putting up the tent. In fact I bought my Tommy from them at Sidmouth which started me off on the journey. They always had a significant presence there.
Over the years their main shop appeared to have the biggest selection of melodeons in the country.

Still, every cloud has a silver lining, and it looks like out of the ashes a new venture with a good product will emerge.
Q
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: DaveD on November 16, 2016, 01:25:57 PM
Does anyone know who will have the new dealership for Dino Baffetti in the UK?
DaveD
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: IanD on November 16, 2016, 09:07:03 PM
Does anyone know who will have the new dealership for Dino Baffetti in the UK?
DaveD

And whether they will also get the rights to sell the Baffetti Binci that the Music Room commissioned/developed?

If not, the best box for morris will be no more :-(
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Helena Handcart on November 16, 2016, 10:40:09 PM

And whether they will also get the rights to sell the Baffetti Binci that the Music Room commissioned/developed?

If not, the best box for morris will be no more :-(

So pleased I didn't sell mine after all.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Tufty on November 17, 2016, 01:22:41 PM
Perhaps in future years the D.B Binci will develop mythic status and people will pay silly money for beaten up examples, a bit like ............... (fill in brand name).  >:E
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Helena Handcart on November 18, 2016, 09:41:49 PM
Perhaps in future years the D.B Binci will develop mythic status and people will pay silly money for beaten up examples, a bit like ............... (fill in brand name).  >:E

Better buy one of each quick then, just in case  :|||:  >:E
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: brianread on November 27, 2016, 09:29:44 PM
I'm off to see Martyn and the new Oakwood prototype on Weds - wish me luck!
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on November 28, 2016, 04:40:31 PM
The gathered masses will expect a detailed report back.....  ;)
Oh - good luck!
Q
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: brianread on November 30, 2016, 10:06:19 PM
Just back from seeing Martyn and the new Oakwood.  it is definately wonderful, more dynamic range that anything I've played before  - from almost nothing to too loud!  Fabulous action and looks great too.

So, I'm on the list for No 6, lefty modifications as well, plus an appointment with Paul who does the tuning to get it exactly where I want it.

My friend Andrew (a guitarist) and I agree that Martyn is a real gentlemen and overall nice guy, a very enjoyable hour and a half in the Oakwood workshop.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: squeezy on November 30, 2016, 11:11:08 PM
hmmm ... I shall be going to see him tomorrow morning ...
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Steve Fox on December 01, 2016, 08:04:46 AM
Having 'lurked' on this thread for some time now, I can't hold back any more........ I am number 4!  I think retirement has done something to my brain!
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on December 01, 2016, 10:01:09 AM
any ideas when production will start?
Q
currently ' just curious'!
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Steve Fox on December 01, 2016, 10:08:42 AM
Martyn reckoned the first batch would take about 6 months, but obviously that's a moveable feast.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Helena Handcart on June 20, 2017, 06:21:46 PM
I have it on good authority that number 10 may have been reserved today.  So know I know where 1,2,3,9 & 10 will be going :)
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: brianread on June 22, 2017, 10:36:17 AM
... and I am number 6 (see above)!

Still waiting for the reeds from Binci apprently.

I (re) played the prototype at Chippenham - still fabulous!
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Chris Ryall on June 22, 2017, 05:34:00 PM
Still waiting for the reeds from Binci apprently

... so is Goddo  Godot ;)
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: brianread on June 22, 2017, 11:11:17 PM
Still waiting for the reeds from Binci apprently

... so is Goddo  ;)

ah - but he NEVER arrives.  :(
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Theo on June 22, 2017, 11:13:14 PM
Neither does his more famous cousin Godot, there's even a play about him.  ;)
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Rees on June 22, 2017, 11:30:25 PM
Neither does his more famous cousin Godot, there's even a play about him.  ;)

Ooh!  ;D
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Ellison on June 23, 2017, 12:02:30 AM
Oakwood melodeon? Want.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Helena Handcart on July 18, 2017, 04:09:10 PM
Still waiting for the reeds from Binci apprently.

Not long now apparently....
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Lester on July 18, 2017, 04:14:52 PM
Still waiting for the reeds from Binci apparently.

Not long now apparently....

 (:)  (:)   :||:
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: brianread on July 18, 2017, 05:11:04 PM
Still waiting for the reeds from Binci apparently.

Not long now apparently....

 (:)  (:)   :||:

You got more info?
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: pikey on July 26, 2017, 10:39:58 AM
 I heard it was being renamed the Oakwood Unicorn .......
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Lyra on July 26, 2017, 10:54:56 AM
That would suit one person on the list, at least  :neigh: (imagine horn)
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Helena Handcart on August 01, 2017, 05:28:07 PM
So... now it's getting so near that I just called Newmoon and arranged the insurance  :|||:
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Lester on August 01, 2017, 05:36:35 PM
Just in case you don't know how gorgeous they look let alone sound

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1712/9123/files/oakwood_2_background_1024x1024.png?v=1496413446)
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Sandy Flett on August 01, 2017, 05:38:05 PM
Does anyone know if there will be one of these to try at Sidmouth?
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on August 01, 2017, 05:47:36 PM
Sandy, I think the 2 row prototype will be there, and if I've understood correctly, a 'John Spiers' prototype 2.5 row as well.
I certainly hope so, I'd like to see what all the fuss is about  :||:
Q
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Helena Handcart on August 01, 2017, 05:53:06 PM
I spoke to Martin earlier today. The Squeezeboxes stall will be there all week.  Not sure if the John Spiers signature 2.5 model will be there in prototype form but numbers 1-4 of the original 2 row production run are just over the horizon.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Sandy Flett on August 01, 2017, 05:54:58 PM
Thanks. And even better if there could be an Oakwood Baffetti Special to compare it with  :P
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Lester on August 01, 2017, 06:15:00 PM
Does anyone know if there will be one of these to try at Sidmouth?

Oakwood will be there (Martyn Banks) and I'm fairly sure the prototype will also be there
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Helena Handcart on August 01, 2017, 06:20:02 PM
Thanks. And even better if there could be an Oakwood Baffetti Special to compare it with  :P

Having played both... no comparison.  However you will (probably) be able to repeat the experiment with both boxes side by side  :|||:
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: brianread on August 02, 2017, 06:11:20 AM
Thanks. And even better if there could be an Oakwood Baffetti Special to compare it with  :P

Having played both... no comparison.  However you will (probably) be able to repeat the experiment with both boxes side by side  :|||:

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Gena Crisman on August 07, 2017, 03:02:34 PM
I had the opportunity to play the Oakwood 2 voice prototype yesterday and it really was something else. I was quite surprised though to see that they also had another prototype that wasn't the 2.5 row or 1 voice they'd announced; Did anyone else play the 3 voice demo box they had? It was beautiful in basically every way a box could be. I also met some people in and around the music stalls, such as Malcolm and Helena.

I believe they've sold all of the Dino Baffetti Super II/III instruments they brought with them though so side by side comparisons may be harder. Still worth the trip to the stall though if you haven't yet, even if just for the conversation, but definitely play the demo boxes if you want to feel sad about not owning one.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: brianread on August 07, 2017, 03:06:49 PM
but definitely play the demo boxes if you want to feel sad about not owning one.

Or happy if you are one of the few... 8)  :||:
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on August 10, 2017, 09:29:51 PM
They have a 3 voice in Maple there.
Apparently they had a spare case so built it up as a 3 voice.
I tried and preferred the 2 voice. It was nice, very nice in fact. So nice I went back for another go today and back again to ask what my daughter thought of the sound.
I think that says all!

It has an amazing dynamic range, play it gently and squeeze and the volume just goes up.
The left hand has a low bass reed stop and a thirds stop. It was just so light to play, really quite something.
Q
Pondering....
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Gena Crisman on August 10, 2017, 09:55:55 PM
I talked with Martyn a bit about the apparently two new 2 row Oakwood boxes, and my understanding was that, in the case of the demonstration boxes, the 2 voice and 3 voice do have different reeds in them, so that might be a factor in preferring one or the other. I think the Demonstration 2 voice had Binci made ones, and the 3 has reeds from another, equally tip top manufacturer. (maybe the same one as the DB Supers? He did mention them by name, but I'm afraid I have a very poor head for such things or anything really that's not written down for me). Both were extraordinary though.

I genuinely couldn't believe how easily the bass end moved. It seemed like a step past what you'd think was actually possible, although granted my playing experience is only having short goes on Ladys/Tommys/DB Bincis.

edit - I should add, I think they were intending to move from the 2 voice 2 row to the John Spiers 2.5 row, but, it isn't quite ready yet (poor squeezy), hence its absence at Sidmouth. So, they're planning to make use of the time until that design is ready to make some 3 voice 2 row instruments in the same body as the 2 voice; I would guess since it would fit and they have that design pretty much ready to go. My understanding is, they've made 10 2 voice boxes initially, some quantity of which have been or are just being delivered to people now (many prospective owners have posted in this thread) but, for the time being at least, they probably aren't making more 2 voice 2 rows? Instead, they're making 5 of these 3 voice boxes, and I'm fairly certain they are open to orders for those. There was a price being batted around at the stall, which I'm not sure if is final, but, it did start with a 3. The original range of Oakwood's melodeons were well before my time, but one imagines that, in the future, ordering would open up to match whatever scheme they used back then.

If you're interested in any of their boxes I'd definitely shoot either Martyn, John or Alyson (via squeezeboxes.co.uk) an email, or find them at a festival because they're a delight to talk to, and information from the horses mouth is always more likely to be right!

Oh, and I think the demonstration box is in a slightly blue tinted bird's eye maple, which gives it a rather striking appearance. I wish I'd taken a picture!
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on August 11, 2017, 08:28:24 AM
I initially had a long chat with Squeezy and we discussed the new boxes and those in the pipeline.
Martyn has some very innovative ideas for the 2.5 row and it sounds like he is now taking time out to develope those in order to build them into the new 2.5 row.
The 2 rows being a more traditional build, with modifications to improve the original model especially with respect to the originals weak basses. The new one has a good bass end!
As I understand it, orders are being taken for the 2 rows, but a new batch won't be started work on until the New Year.

Yes the Maple one was really a good looker, so if anyone's passing grab a picture for this thread!
Cheers
Q
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: vof on August 13, 2017, 11:32:15 PM
Oh, and I think the demonstration box is in a slightly blue tinted bird's eye maple, which gives it a rather striking appearance. I wish I'd taken a picture!

Yes the Maple one was really a good looker, so if anyone's passing grab a picture for this thread!

Here you go. Oh, and I thought the three voice would look better with a slightly darker Oakwood name/logo and I think Martyn agreed.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Gena Crisman on August 14, 2017, 12:02:28 AM
What a star! I guess it must have just been the lighting in the tent when I was there, as there's not a hint of blue there now.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on August 14, 2017, 10:17:05 AM
Yes, thanks matey, I can look on, drool and reminisce!

I've since got back and played my Castagnari Tommy which is a similar size.
The Oakwood has a left hand stop to take out the low bass reed. I was thinking the Tommy ( a little cracker really! ) sounds like it already has the low reed out, if that makes sense. The bass end of the Oakwood is certainly much fuller in sound.
Q
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Steve_freereeder on August 14, 2017, 12:40:50 PM
Yes, thanks matey, I can look on, drool and reminisce!

I've since got back and played my Castagnari Tommy which is a similar size.
The Oakwood has a left hand stop to take out the low bass reed. I was thinking the Tommy ( a little cracker really! ) sounds like it already has the low reed out, if that makes sense. The bass end of the Oakwood is certainly much fuller in sound.
Q
Both the Castagnari Tommy and Lilly only have two reeds for each bass note. These are tuned two octaves apart, so typically on the D/G box for instance, the G bass is comprised of two reeds sounding G2 and G4. Similarly for the other bass notes. Additionally, the octave 4 top bass reed is also utilised (shared) as the tonic reed of the adjacent chord button, so when playing  the chord and a bass note together, you effectively only hear a single bass reed in octave 2, as the ear perceives the octave 4 bass reed as the tonic of the chord.

Like the larger Castagnaris (and most other Italian boxes), I guess the bass end of the Oakwood has three independent reeds for each bass note (in octaves 2, 3 and 4) and three independent reeds for each chord, so no reed sharing at all, and hence a richer, fuller sound.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Theo on August 14, 2017, 01:24:36 PM
Lilly's have even fewer bass chord reeds than that Steve!  4 in total per bass/chord pair.  Two tonic, onecthird, one fifth. Tommys may have an additional high tonic.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on August 14, 2017, 01:35:04 PM
I had a long chat with Squeezy before playing the 2 voice. He explained the improvements made over the original model 2 Oakwood.
The bass end is larger and has fretwork sound holes in the front to allow the sound out. I forgot to ask about the bass/ chord setup.
The front grill is simplified, flat no longer curved and removable from the front as opposed to unscrewing it from the inside. It too has fretwork on the sides to allow sound out.
The responsiveness and dynamic range were excellent, playable with the lightest of touches but pump it and it shouts.
All in all, a thing of beauty!
Q
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Helena Handcart on August 14, 2017, 01:55:22 PM
The responsiveness and dynamic range were excellent, playable with the lightest of touches but pump it and it shouts.
All in all, a thing of beauty!

Especially in walnut with black buttons wouldn't you say?  ;D
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on August 14, 2017, 02:05:36 PM
Zackly!
Even took off my waistcoat and tails when offered a quick squeeze!
Q
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: brianread on August 14, 2017, 02:06:25 PM
The responsiveness and dynamic range were excellent, playable with the lightest of touches but pump it and it shouts.
All in all, a thing of beauty!

Especially in walnut with black buttons wouldn't you say?  ;D

picture?
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on August 14, 2017, 02:37:40 PM
Yes please Helena, then we've got Cherry, Maple and hopefully Walnut to drool over!
Q
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Tufty on August 14, 2017, 03:02:25 PM
Is anyone in a position to compare the Oakwood with the Cardin "English" model, as they seem to be aimed at the same market and priced in the same £3k+ bracket for a three voice box? As you can get a new Tommy for around £2,200 that does not seem the right comparison.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Steve_freereeder on August 14, 2017, 04:39:45 PM
Lilly's have even fewer bass chord reeds than that Steve!  4 in total per bass/chord pair.  Two tonic, onecthird, one fifth. Tommys may have an additional high tonic.
Yes I know. I thought that's what I was describing! See attached diagram.
I've never seen a Tommy with an additional high tonic though. Perhaps on the very earliest models?
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Theo on August 14, 2017, 05:17:46 PM
Oh I see what you meant.  It was the word additionally that threw me. Thought you meant an additional reed. I must read more carefully!
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: brianread on August 14, 2017, 05:23:07 PM
Yes please Helena, then we've got Cherry, Maple and hopefully Walnut to drool over!
Q

Mine is / will be also in Walnut, not sure about the buttons. Not got it yet, am waiting for the call!
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: robotmay on August 14, 2017, 05:42:48 PM
Is anyone in a position to compare the Oakwood with the Cardin "English" model, as they seem to be aimed at the same market and priced in the same £3k+ bracket for a three voice box? As you can get a new Tommy for around £2,200 that does not seem the right comparison.

I've had a go on the Cairdin, if the one you're referencing is the box the Black Diamond guys have on offer. But I've only played the two voice Oakwood, unfortunately.

The Cairdin is very solid, and quite heavy. It feels really good, however. The sound of the reeds is a bit harsher than what I like, and I found I preferred it in its 2 voice setting, but it is indeed a very nice instrument. I'll see if I can snag a go on a three voice Oakwood sometime this year to see if I can compare them better :D
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on August 14, 2017, 07:22:17 PM
I tried the Cairdin a couple of years back when first brought to Sidmouth.
Tastes are very personal things but I really didn't like it, to me it felt a bit clunky, the buttons a bit plasticky and no where near as light a touch as the Oakwood.

The 3 voice Oakwood is just a little bit air hungry, as is my Tommy when I pull the stop to bring in the low reed. Anything with smaller bellows will be similar if trying to work a low reed. The 2 voice felt just great.
But other opinions may differ.
Q
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Helena Handcart on August 14, 2017, 09:13:47 PM
The responsiveness and dynamic range were excellent, playable with the lightest of touches but pump it and it shouts.
All in all, a thing of beauty!

Especially in walnut with black buttons wouldn't you say?  ;D

picture?

Funnily enough apart from some arty grille shots the only photos I have of it are photos from Sidmouth Sunday:  https://www.facebook.com/harrytaylorsmen/photos/a.1470939726558806.1073741826.1470785613240884/1866774380308670/?type=1&theatre

Not the best melodeon photo in the world but it gives you an idea.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on August 15, 2017, 09:58:24 AM
Any chance of a Soundcloud tune sometime?
Being really cheeky but want to remind myself what I sounds like, in comparison to my Tommy.
yours in hope!
Q
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: brianread on August 15, 2017, 10:58:46 AM
Just had an exchange of email with Alyson, Martyn is off to Italy today, then to Towersey, so it looks like my Oakwood (and I guess the others) will not appear until mid Sept.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: IanD on August 16, 2017, 01:53:48 PM
The original small Oakwoods did have feeble bass ends, particularly prone to choking and pulling flat when played hard.

After the design improvements I suggested to Martyn when he made mine (including 3 reed chords) this problem went away -- this became the Model 4 (23 treble 8 bass 2 voice).

I await with interest the chance to try the new Oakwood, to see if there's finally a box I prefer to mine ;-)

I initially had a long chat with Squeezy and we discussed the new boxes and those in the pipeline.
Martyn has some very innovative ideas for the 2.5 row and it sounds like he is now taking time out to develope those in order to build them into the new 2.5 row.
The 2 rows being a more traditional build, with modifications to improve the original model especially with respect to the originals weak basses. The new one has a good bass end!
As I understand it, orders are being taken for the 2 rows, but a new batch won't be started work on until the New Year.

Yes the Maple one was really a good looker, so if anyone's passing grab a picture for this thread!
Cheers
Q
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Joan Kureczka on August 16, 2017, 02:02:09 PM
What I'd like to know is how the new Oakwood's differ in responsiveness and sound to the Oakwood-Baffetti Supers.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Sandy Flett on August 16, 2017, 02:20:11 PM
What I'd like to know is how the new Oakwood's differ in responsiveness and sound to the Oakwood-Baffetti Supers.
I preferred the tone of the Super's treble (not just a tuning difference), and its  classic Baffetti bass sound was pleasingly "more obvious". The Oakwood's treble action was superbly feather light, the Super's slightly firmer.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Steve_freereeder on August 16, 2017, 02:24:09 PM
What I'd like to know is how the new Oakwood's differ in responsiveness and sound to the Oakwood-Baffetti Supers.
I preferred the tone of the Super's treble (not just a tuning difference), and its  classic Baffetti bass sound was pleasingly "more obvious". The Oakwood's treble action was superbly feather light, the Super's slightly firmer.

I played the new Oakwood prototype last November at Witney and my feelings about it are pretty much contrary to Sandy's!
I liked the new Oakwood's full but round sound; I've always found the DB Oakwood super boxes to be too shrill and shouty.
Agree that the new Oakwood action was very good indeed.

Yer pays yer money (oh yes! :Ph ) and takes yer choice.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Guy on August 16, 2017, 11:11:14 PM
Has there been any news on the 2.5 row model from those who've been lucky enough to get to try the 2 rows, or talked to Martyn?

Cheers,
Guy
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: squeezy on August 17, 2017, 12:00:56 AM
Hi Guy,

The 2.5 is honouring Oakwood tradition in taking longer than anticipated to appear!  My prototype signature model is going to be quite different from the regular Oakwood models in that it will have a flat keyboard of wooden construction, open with no grille, and the first set of reeds to trial in it will be Dix reeds.  I don't anticipate a playing prototype before the end of the summer.

Cheers

John
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: squeezy on August 17, 2017, 12:06:48 AM
What I'd like to know is how the new Oakwood's differ in responsiveness and sound to the Oakwood-Baffetti Supers.
I preferred the tone of the Super's treble (not just a tuning difference), and its  classic Baffetti bass sound was pleasingly "more obvious". The Oakwood's treble action was superbly feather light, the Super's slightly firmer.

I played the new Oakwood prototype last November at Witney and my feelings about it are pretty much contrary to Sandy's!
I liked the new Oakwood's full but round sound; I've always found the DB Oakwood super boxes to be too shrill and shouty.
Agree that the new Oakwood action was very good indeed.

Yer pays yer money (oh yes! :Ph ) and takes yer choice.

Are you sure that's the Dino Oakwood Super you're talking about Steve, and not the Bincis (supers are walnut finish - bincis are cherry)?  Bincis are really what I'd call shouty ... but the supers are far more polite and refined.  If anything the new Oakwoods sit somewhere in between the two to my ear albeit with a far more responsive action.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Steve_freereeder on August 17, 2017, 12:12:18 AM
Are you sure that's the Dino Oakwood Super you're talking about Steve, and not the Bincis (supers are walnut finish - bincis are cherry)?  Bincis are really what I'd call shouty ...
Aha! Yes, you are right. I was thinking of the Bincis for shoutiness. I agree that the walnut Supers are mellower. Apologies for the confusion!  :|bl
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Guy on August 17, 2017, 12:33:52 PM
Hi Guy,

The 2.5 is honouring Oakwood tradition in taking longer than anticipated to appear!  My prototype signature model is going to be quite different from the regular Oakwood models in that it will have a flat keyboard of wooden construction, open with no grille, and the first set of reeds to trial in it will be Dix reeds.  I don't anticipate a playing prototype before the end of the summer.

Cheers

John

Thanks John, that's really helpful. I can't wait! I was never good at delayed gratification....

Cheers,
Guy
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: dave t on August 17, 2017, 03:27:48 PM
Hi Guy,

The 2.5 is honouring Oakwood tradition in taking longer than anticipated to appear!  My prototype signature model is going to be quite different from the regular Oakwood models in that it will have a flat keyboard of wooden construction, open with no grille, and the first set of reeds to trial in it will be Dix reeds.  I don't anticipate a playing prototype before the end of the summer.

Cheers

John

John, are you able to give us any more info at this stage? Specifically, I'm curious as to the number of buttons on the main rows (presumably 21 or 23) and half row.

Thanks, Dave
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: squeezy on August 17, 2017, 11:40:39 PM
Yes Dave ... it's going to be a 23+6 layout.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: pikey on August 18, 2017, 05:13:41 PM
Please will you name it the 'Oakwood Delilah' ?  (:)
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Ebor_fiddler on August 18, 2017, 05:21:54 PM
Why? (etc) :|bl
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Julian S on August 18, 2017, 07:03:35 PM
Sounds very interesting (apart from the suggested name...!) Voices ...number of basses ?
Now what I need is a rich benefactor...or a pay as you play scheme...

J
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: brianread on September 21, 2017, 10:46:17 AM
My new avatar says it all, I'll try to do a recording in the next week or so, once I feel a bit more in charge of it!
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Chris Ryall on September 21, 2017, 01:26:38 PM
May I ask how much they are, please? Accordions are not even mentioned on the web site, though Carole never really liked them 😉

Happy with my VanderAa. Sold the Oakwood to a good home 5 years ago.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: brianread on September 21, 2017, 02:25:27 PM
May I ask how much they are, please? Accordions are not even mentioned on the web site, though Carole never really liked them 😉

Happy with my VanderAa. Sold the Oakwood to a good home 5 years ago.

https://squeezeboxes.co.uk/collections/melodeon
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Gena Crisman on September 21, 2017, 02:48:26 PM
Regarding cost, earlier in the thread, this was posted:

The price of £2,800 was mentioned as a standard price (the first pre-orders got a discount).
...
Hopefully someone else can say how to contact Martyn.

So, given its been like a year, with euro fluctuations and reed costs, maybe that figure has changed but I think it's the right ballpark. A mere ~£500 more than the DB 'super'. The three voice was another ~500 more, much like the price jump with the bincis from 2 to 3.

For now, due to wording on the https://squeezeboxes.co.uk/pages/oakwood-boxes page, I'd say if you're curious, emailing the squeezeboxes people is the thing to do really, instead of going via the oakwood instruments page. Should get you the most up to date information on what might be possible and when. I think both methods would reach them though, but clearly they're not presenting these boxes as easily buyable. I think it's all still a bit experimental and in high demand, so as with anyone else making these top draw instruments, expect a wait!

My new avatar says it all, I'll try to do a recording in the next week or so, once I feel a bit more in charge of it!

Congrats on getting your box brainread, looking forward to your video! Just make sure to flip it horizontally so none of us get confused about the lefty mod!
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Lester on October 17, 2017, 05:58:14 PM
First blog post on my Oakwood

Some Say the Devil's Dead (https://lesters-tune-a-day.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/tune-485-some-say-devils-dead.html)
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Sandy Flett on October 17, 2017, 06:05:45 PM
At last, a recording of the new Oakwood! Thank you Lester.

I assume (hope) you had the low bass reed stopped - I look forward to a recording with the full bass sound.

I know the tune as "Love will you marry me" as I heard an Irish singer sing that many decades ago.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Lester on October 17, 2017, 06:48:55 PM
At last, a recording of the new Oakwood! Thank you Lester.

I assume (hope) you had the low bass reed stopped - I look forward to a recording with the full bass sound.

I know the tune as "Love will you marry me" as I heard an Irish singer sing that many decades ago.

Yep no low bass or thirds
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Helena Handcart on October 18, 2017, 11:01:18 AM
I've been playing Oakwood #1 for morris quite extensively recently.  Given a few months to play it in followed by a tootle up here and there and I think it will be a beautiful beast.  Time to let the Binci go I think  ;)
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: brianread on October 18, 2017, 11:28:56 AM
I've been using mine for sessions and also at Mel's advanced workshop on Sunday. It has received a lot of interest and compliments.

As Helena says it'll take a while for the reeds to settle down and mellow.

It has fantastic edge and potential loudness, the latter is a bit out of control but is getting better (both me and the instrument) .  I love the basses.

I played the Jilly again on Sunday it also has a lot of responsiveness on the right hand (my left that is!) but in a slightly less dynamic way!

PS I am hoping to get a recording out in the next few days...
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: george garside on October 18, 2017, 12:37:56 PM
Lesters bass minus 3rds and low reeds sounds spot on to me!

george
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: brianread on October 20, 2017, 12:14:12 PM
Here's a couple of recordings of the new box:

https://soundcloud.com/brianread/sets/new-oakwood
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on October 21, 2017, 06:22:15 PM
Thanks Brian, those reeds like Lester's sound crisp with a bite to them.
Very nice chaps!
Q
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Gena Crisman on October 22, 2017, 05:56:20 AM
Here's a couple of recordings of the new box:

https://soundcloud.com/brianread/sets/new-oakwood

Yes, thank you for sharing these recordings!

I recently went on holiday to York and nipped over to Leeds for an afternoon to visit the Oakwood Workshop. Amongst many stringed instruments, I saw the 2 voice boxes that were still being worked on all lined up, waiting for their turn, and had a really lovely time. The 2 voice demonstration box has apparently given up its reeds for a greater purpose, however the 3 voice demonstration box is still going, and that was what I was really going there for anyway.

I actually had a little bit of trouble playing it, I think as one strap was a bit too large for me and wasn't easily adjustable. I thought it wouldn't make a big difference, but it left me kind of holding onto the box a bit too tightly and, eventually I realised, rather unexpectedly running the air button slightly open the whole time, rendering the same box that I thought played like a dream a couple of months ago quite the little bear. Once I realised what was going on, things were a lot smoother.

I think ultimately we were there like 3 hours! Had a really nice time and chatted with Martyn quite a bit about boxes, as well as mandolins and the many other stringed instruments which inhabit the place & the finer points of their design and his work in the industry - of particular note, there was a beautiful GDAE strung Tenor Guitar there. I also had a go on a new DB Carnival 3, and much preferred it over the Black Pearl 3 I tried in Sidmouth - it felt much more familiar under my fingers. I'm pretty sure that that would be the direction I would be going if I hadn't gone a bit loopy, in that I'm fairly certain I'm going to stake my box playing future on one of these new Oakwood 3 voices.

For those who have been following the 3vOakwood Saga, I've been left with the impression that the run of 3 voice boxes will most likely see some minor alterations Martyn was considering (just making them that slight bit bigger, and adjusting the reed set to be a bit less air hungry) when it comes their turn, and the optional back-of-keyboard mechanism for switching the L reeds in/out is now, in principal, designed and prototyped.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Sandy Flett on August 05, 2018, 03:46:51 PM
Is there an Oakwood melodeon presence at Sidmouth this year? If so, any word of when they might do a second batch of the 2-voice model?
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Gena Crisman on August 05, 2018, 03:55:42 PM
They are here and have a couple of new 2 voice boxes to demonstrate a slightly revised design with carved sections instead of inlay. I guess I can ask what their plans are, and will let you know.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Joan Kureczka on August 05, 2018, 05:39:34 PM
Any of the 3 voice there and what do you think of them now? Supposed to pick up one at Towersey, so wondering what I'm in for.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Gena Crisman on August 06, 2018, 01:51:56 AM
Hello!

Firstly, please understand that I am not infallible and may have misunderstood things and or minds may change etc. I'm really just trying to be helpful as I know it's not possible for everyone who's interested to get to and talk to people at Festivals.

Anyway, the info that I got today (and asked if it was ok to share after prefacing with 'I saw this asked on melnet') is that Martyn kind of wants to move a bit away from the long lead time orders that Oakwood did for those first 10 2 voice and 5 3 voice instruments as it takes quite a long time, leaving people waiting, and the instrument they get may not be exactly the same as the demonstration one and it sort of narrows his opportunity to vary or explore and make the best instruments for a variety of people and tastes that he can. I got the impression he'd sort of rather make an instrument and have it available for someone to play, spend time with it, and decide if that one really is the right one for them, and then actually be just able to buy that exact one. So, I expect that they'll continue to make instruments and then maybe sort out layout minutia the way I guess people might regularly do so and do a few custom orders here and there? Demand may still be very high, though.

Obviously though, there are outstanding orders and his priority is to sort those out first.

Hi Joan! I believe Martyn mentioned specifically that one 3v was going to be collected by someone coming over from America for an upcoming festival, and if that happens to be you, he aims to make sure that everything is sorted for that - I hope that it works out! I did ask specifically about the 3 voices since I'm also due to collect one, whenever it's ready, I know they're only sort of 'blooming' I guess at the moment, it's all rather concurrent and I don't really know about anyone else's orders but I'm aware mine is a bit delayed as I opted for the back of keyboard register switch (I'm cool with this). I haven't seen any actual finished 3v ones to date I'm afraid, I imagine they're safely lined up in the Oakwood workshop like the 2 voices were when I visited last October. My understanding is that there were some issues that some of the prospective 2 voice owners faced, unfortunately I have no idea how that may affect us but it may be less of a factor as the 3 voice doesn't use the sometimes quite aggressive binci reeds the 2 voices did. So at the moment, there's just that same original 3 voice prototype on the stall flying the flag for 3 voice supremacy (it has 2 fairly tight straps attached to it as of today), although there is a now a rather similar looking 2 voice one on there as well now.

There's some new case designs on show and I think a couple of new built 2 voice Oakwoods on the squeezebox stand atm, at least one with with Dix instead of Binci reeds, mostly for variety I guess - it did play very nicely given a short test drive. The new case designs are only marginally different but actually I thought were quite nice, they're basically identical save for a pattern etched into the body instead of an inlay - I felt that from a distance it really looks no different and it seemed to actually have more detail when viewed up close, and has the advantage of being perfectly matched for pattern repetition to the size of the instrument. Lasers are really pretty cool! The inlay is flush, though, so, I guess there's that. He's fishing for people's opinions on it so if you go by the stall let him know what you think. I'm not sure when these were produced but one assumes they were made after the 3v shells but while waiting for their reeds, so I'm pretty sure the 3v box orders will all have inlay.

Anyway I think that's a vague state of play for you all. I have no idea if the other 3v ordering people are posters here on mel net - everyone was declaring their order numbers for the 2v and then it's been almost complete silence ever since they started getting delivered (which is perfectly fair). I guess I'm happy to share that I've not been convinced by any other instrument I've played in the past year, despite trying a rather ridiculously large variety of them, and I'm still shooting for this for realsies.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Joan Kureczka on August 06, 2018, 05:32:56 AM
Nice. And yes indeed. That's me, looking forward to getting this, and hoping it's as good as I anticipate! Especially as I decided I couldn't bring yet another with me, just in case something kept it from being available.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: sticky fingers on August 06, 2018, 05:02:44 PM
Actually if its any good, it should be playable without using the air button! I sometime do that as an experiment.

I don't see how that's possible, unless it uses no air at all or you have to choose your tune carefully.

John Cage, "4.33"
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Joan Kureczka on September 05, 2018, 02:03:48 PM
Successfully picked up my new Oakwood 3-voice at Towersey. Lovely box both in looks and play-ability -- I'm impressed with the responsiveness on this, even in comparison with my Super 2. And it's very pretty -- high gloss finish on this one.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Gena Crisman on September 05, 2018, 02:13:31 PM
Successfully picked up my new Oakwood 3-voice at Towersey. Lovely box both in looks and play-ability -- I'm impressed with the responsiveness on this, even in comparison with my Super 2. And it's very pretty -- high gloss finish on this one.

Hooray, I'm glad that it worked out!
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Helena Handcart on September 06, 2018, 08:59:33 PM
Successfully picked up my new Oakwood 3-voice at Towersey. Lovely box both in looks and play-ability -- I'm impressed with the responsiveness on this, even in comparison with my Super 2. And it's very pretty -- high gloss finish on this one.

Hooray, I'm glad that it worked out!

I can confirm Joan didn't stop smiling for about three days [:]||||[:]
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Helena Handcart on September 06, 2018, 09:01:46 PM
The 2 voice demonstration box has apparently given up its reeds for a greater purpose....

Yup. I got 'em. And very luvverly they is too.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Gena Crisman on September 07, 2018, 01:17:45 AM
That's great! I was a little worried I'd heard something wrong and was mistaken about the situation with it being ready for Towersey - it was from an offhand comment when I'd asked about how things had been going which I could just about remember any of the details of. I'm also glad she had plenty of time to play it before presumably jetting off.

Anyway, I guess I'll just have to go back to sitting on my hands. Well, that's not quite right - I won't be waiting idle, gotta keep on working at having the perfect tune to test out prospective instruments with.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Gena Crisman on February 05, 2019, 06:37:50 AM
Hello, Oakwood thread! It's trip report time!

I recently received word that the 3v Oakwood with my name on it was ready, and went to visit the workshop in person last Wednesday. Fortunately, due to prior planning, I had the perfect tune to test prospective instruments with, so, I was able to ascertain within about 60 seconds that, yes, indeed, I would be completing the purchase. I'll be most likely using it for TotM etc recordings going forward. I haven't been having any air consumption problems with it at all really, which had been my primary concern, so I was glad that this ended up being unfounded.

We spent a few hours working on fit etc and resolving any questions or issues. I got to see inside it, too, which should set my mind at ease and stop me feeling the urge to peek inside. The only negative part of the experience really was, due to some kind of mix up, the low melody voice stop was set up the wrong way for my taste. We're going to resolve this at some point, but I'm less concerned about it since it's not flapping around and will be relatively protected by comparison to the bass stops. I preferred this to literally all of my other worst fears, plus I have a rich history of modifying stop slides.

After we were done in Leeds, we traveled over to York - I took the instrument with me to The Maltings folk night, and had a right jolly time with it. We also ate fish and chips, so, apologies if I smelt vaguely of fish.

While I was in the area, I planned a visit to Acorn Instruments in York. We stayed nearby overnight at a perfectly lovely B&B/Motel (https://www.newinnmotel.co.uk/) in the small town of Huby, rather than try to stay in York and try to travel during rush hour. I hadn't been 100% sure when I went up to Yorkshire to collect the Oakwood that I was going to be happy with it, and the visit to Acorn was to effectively sanity check the purchase. Well, that and to potentially pick up a nice, robust gig bag - I think Pete's probably carrying the best going, if you ever need one. Pete very kindly let me play through his large selection of Castagnari instruments, since, besides the Oakwood and Dino Baffettis, these were the only other contenders for my fickle desires. Since he's up the opposite end of the country to me and generally doesn't do festivals I attend, I hadn't really had much chance to play through the Castagnari range other than the odds and ends Hobgoblin stocked.

To summarise a bottom line, I've never played, and still haven't played, a melodeon that does what I want in quite the way this 3v Oakwood does. However, there are a good few things that the new 3v Oakwood does not seem to do, at least mine doesn't: mine is not a particularly elegant instrument when you attempt to play it quietly, though neither was the demo box - you can play quietly, but complete silence and significantly louder are easier to swing between that I'd prefer. Pretty much every Castagnari instrument I played felt like it had more control and poise. The demonstration Jilly I played in particular was frankly fairly ridiculous in how uniform and controllable it felt regardless of if you played it fairly gently or if you legitimately tried to break it - instead it just gets louder than any melodeon I think I've ever played, though granted I've never truly pushed a member of the other contenders for the title, the DB Binci range - I think it'd give them a run for their money though. I was also given the opportunity to play some of Oakwood's previous offerings into the world of Melodeons - a rare treat indeed. The action of a model 2 was basically effortless - the lightest and fastest I've ever played, but, perhaps rather needlessly so. On my new 3v, the buttons are heavier, detectably heavier I think, than my black pearl 2, so there's less of that magic in action. But, I also think I've played enough silky smooth 2v MM boxes - I'm hanging my hat on the 3v peg, and won't get out of bed for anything less than Bandoneon tuning.

The only Castagnari offering that really spoke to me was the Tommy. Their regular size instruments were lovely, but, they just didn't feel like they were giving me what I was looking for - perhaps best described as a more explosive response where you seem to get more and more out with each little extra you put in. Their compact range comes much closer and I like pretty much every instrument in it, and obviously the Tommy, their 2 row 3v is the most similar of their offerings. It's... close - really quite a lot closer than I'd thought. But, I don't think I'd want to own an instrument without bass stops again, so, I mean I guess if Castagnari ever figure out a way make a Tommy with big strong basses and a 3rds stop, then grand. If they work on making compact versions of their 3v 2.5 row instruments I'll be more concerned. Because, I want to like eg the 1914, or the Mory, I really do - on paper they have everything I could be looking for. But, I just can't seem to get what I want out of them.

Anyway, I'd made sure I had a 2nd day to go back to Oakwood if there were any problems we could address. There weren't, so, we headed home so I could start second guessing the whole experience. Doubts did begin to grow, but, the chance to play it without trying to avoid upsetting the neighbors set me straight. Like I say, I've to date played nothing quite like it - it's not the perfect instrument, but, I know it's got what I've been looking for in spades. Both it and my playing have received a good number of compliments so far, too.

For those generating top trumps cards, my 3v Oakwood, weighs 3.66kg with the straps, 3.36kg without the straps, and is only slightly larger than my black pearl 2, which I believe weighs a further ~300g less on both fronts. The 3v Oakwood is just that little bit more compact than the DB 3v range, I think. It has similar size buttons though, so it feels very familiar to play. I'm pretty happy with it, and feel very lucky that in addition to the fact that I was in the right place at the right time to make the most of the opportunity, that I had the means to go down this route at all. We ran the numbers and concluded that I can't buy any more melodeons for around 8 years. All the best to my other current and future 3v compatriots, whomever you may be!
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Steve_freereeder on February 05, 2019, 08:52:42 AM
I guess if Castagnari ever figure out a way make a Tommy with big strong basses and a 3rds stop, then grand.
A few days ago I was able to look inside one of the very latest Tommys. The bass end reed blocks have been completely redesigned. The chords and basses are now on separate reed blocks and, most importantly, there are no longer any shared reeds.

The shared reeds issue with Tommys (and Lillys) was always the compromise tuning of the basses and chords: the tonic reeds of the chords are shared as the highest tonic reeds of the basses, activated by different pallets. When both chord and bass buttons are pressed together, both pallets open and result in a different volume (capacity) of the shared reed chamber, which in turn slightly affects the tuning. You can tune the shared reed to be exactly in tune as a chord, or as a bass, but not both together. The tuning difference always has to be a compromise, which fortunately is small enough not to worry most people. Now, with no shared reeds (on the new Tommy at least) each reed of the chords and basses can be tuned exactly to the right pitch; a highly significant improvement.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Helena Handcart on February 05, 2019, 12:24:58 PM
... I mean I guess if Castagnari ever figure out a way make a Tommy with big strong basses and a 3rds stop, then grand...

This, for me is why a Tommy never quite hits the spot.  Given the choice of a low reed or a thirds stop the stop is surely by far the most important of the two?

For me the Lilly delivers in terms of size and punch where the almost full-size Tommy fails simply due to this omission. 
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Steve_freereeder on February 05, 2019, 02:24:54 PM
... I mean I guess if Castagnari ever figure out a way make a Tommy with big strong basses and a 3rds stop, then grand...
Given the choice of a low reed or a thirds stop the stop is surely by far the most important of the two?
It's very much a personal thing and depends on your style of playing and individual preference. For me, the low octave voice is my first priority, followed by the thirds stop. If I want B minor or A minor chords I can always play the Bm7 or Am7 (which sound best with the thirds in anyway). The L voice allows me to play in the upper octave of the keyboard when ever I so desire, with a nice cutting edge to the sound which is not squeaky.

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For me the Lilly delivers in terms of size and punch where the almost full-size Tommy fails simply due to this omission.
The new Tommy which I tried was seriously impressive. The best I'd ever played, I think.
I'm sure Pete can sort one for you.  >:E
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Helena Handcart on February 05, 2019, 02:40:13 PM
The new Tommy which I tried was seriously impressive. The best I'd ever played, I think.
I'm sure Pete can sort one for you.  >:E

Only if it has a thirds stop...   >:E
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on February 05, 2019, 02:55:58 PM
All my boxes have a thirds stop, except my Tommy.
I hardly ever use it!
It just goes to show you're either a 'thirds in' person or 'thirds out' person!
Q
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Gena Crisman on February 05, 2019, 03:20:16 PM
It just goes to show you're either a 'thirds in' person or 'thirds out' person!
Q
People certainly can be, but, I've been taking mine in and out as tunes seem to dictate. Probably within the same tune too, if I could. A lot of people play with them out all the time, I think they're crazy! A lot of people play with them in all the time, and I think they're crazy too! Finding the right box which has all the exact right options you're after can be tough. Big shouty bass reeds and an option to calm them down made my black pearl feel like a much more civilised instrument, but I wouldn't want to be without them completely, and I wouldn't want to have to drop to single reed fundamentals either when turning them off.

Options wise, the same is true of the oakwood 3v I have, it just seems to suit me better than anything else I could find.
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on February 05, 2019, 03:31:51 PM
I think you're right in saying no one can get the perfect instrument, you just try and get the nearest fit yo it with minimal compromise.
I  do use my thirds stop but as said, it's just for an occasional tune. Perhaps having the option easily of changing mid tune with a bass switch such as on a Mory might mean I'd use it more to give light and shade in a tune.

Anyway, less if the thirds discussion, you are neglecting your new box  ;)
Good luck with it!
Cheers
Q
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: baz parkes on February 05, 2019, 05:40:23 PM
The new Tommy which I tried was seriously impressive. The best I'd ever played, I think.
I'm sure Pete can sort one for you.  >:E

Only if it has a thirds stop...   >:E

My pressedwood has a thirds stop courtesy of that nice Mr Microbot... :|glug
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Guy on February 05, 2019, 10:37:13 PM

The new Tommy which I tried was seriously impressive. The best I'd ever played, I think.
I'm sure Pete can sort one for you.  >:E

Oh please don't tempt me...I loved my Tommy and played it exclusively for years, till the Loffet landed. Still have it....couldn't bear to part with it. But a new one with a 3rds stop, and the recommendation that you're giving it.....and just after that nice Mr. Wesson called round with a Castagnari in A/D that I HAD to have too. Bye bye bank balance....

Cheers,
Guy
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Winston Smith on February 05, 2019, 10:54:26 PM
"Bye bye bank balance...."

Guy, that's fine as a temporary fix for M.A.D., but it's certainly not a "cure". Especially when people like that "nice" (oh yes?) Mr Wesson are calling to tempt you.

Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Guy on February 05, 2019, 11:58:33 PM
"Bye bye bank balance...."

Guy, that's fine as a temporary fix for M.A.D., but it's certainly not a "cure". Especially when people like that "nice" (oh yes?) Mr Wesson are calling to tempt you.

I don't want a "cure". I just want more melodeons. No, that's wrong, I just need more melodeons. I have room for just one more in my purpose-built melodeon cabinet...oh yes, that was the deal when we moved and rebuilt the cottage. The pigsty became a music room, and the measurements of the fitted wall units were designed to slide melodeons and guitars (and mandolins and harmonicas) into. Amazingly, my wife agreed to this. Mind you, she did take me to the Castagnari workshop as my surprise 50th birthday present....

So who needs a temporary fix? Permanent ones are available....

Cheers,
Guy
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Andy Duckering on March 16, 2019, 01:42:35 PM

The new Tommy which I tried was seriously impressive. The best I'd ever played, I think.
I'm sure Pete can sort one for you.  >:E

Oh please don't tempt me...I loved my Tommy and played it exclusively for years, till the Loffet landed. Still have it....couldn't bear to part with it. But a new one with a 3rds stop, and the recommendation that you're giving it.....and just after that nice Mr. Wesson called round with a Castagnari in A/D that I HAD to have too. Bye bye bank balance....

Cheers,
Guy

Which Loffet do you have Guy, and how do you find it?
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Guy on March 17, 2019, 12:19:10 AM
I have 2 Graet y Breizh models...a 2-row D/G 3voice and a 2.5 row D/G 2v. I think they’re brilliant instruments for playing for dancing, whether ceilidhs or Morris (or presumably other forms of dance as well), as I guess that’s what they were designed for...and M. Loffet did a really good job of that, in my opinion. They are light, very responsive and have a well balanced sound...and can be very loud if necessary, I love them...
I commissioned a “Pro 2.6” 3voice, which I hoped would replace both of these so I would only have to take one instrument to gigs, but it just wasn’t right for me. It played beautifully (as I expected), but although light for this quality of instrument, it just didn’t lend itself to what I wanted. I played it for a few months, (as I know I need to live with a box for a while) and learned a lot about the weight and feel of box that I’m happy with, but I passed it on to someone who will hopefully enjoy it and get more out of it than I would!

Hope this helps,
Guy
Title: Re: Oakwood
Post by: Andy Duckering on March 17, 2019, 11:58:54 AM
Thank you for replying Guy.
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