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Title: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: Jimmy on March 19, 2017, 10:39:19 AM
Seen one for the first time.A strange looking beast.
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: Malcolm Clapp on March 19, 2017, 01:00:03 PM
They seem to come up on American eBay fairly regularly. Usually though, the keys (or the keyframe) look to be badly warped, and I know from experience that extracting the axle from these smaller Hohners is a PITA job. If I ever saw a decent one, I'd be interested.... (the dark side is calling me back >:E  )
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: Accordion Dave on December 29, 2017, 11:19:04 PM
It looks like it has minor row in addition to the usual bass and major chords. I have an accordion with the name Geraldo that has the same bass layout.
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: Helena Handcart on January 03, 2018, 08:42:43 AM
A friend of mine has one, it's been to morris practice a couple of times. I never know whether to run towards it in rapturous wonder at it's pokerworky loveliness of flee in fear of the devil's wardrobe....
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: Steve_freereeder on January 03, 2018, 09:03:42 AM
A friend of mine has one, it's been to morris practice a couple of times. I never know whether to run towards it in rapturous wonder at it's pokerworky loveliness of flee in fear of the devil's wardrobe....
Does it come with built-in percussion like a Pokerwork melodeon?
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: Helena Handcart on January 03, 2018, 09:19:38 AM
A friend of mine has one, it's been to morris practice a couple of times. I never know whether to run towards it in rapturous wonder at it's pokerworky loveliness of flee in fear of the devil's wardrobe....
Does it come with built-in percussion like a Pokerwork melodeon?

Can't tell you. Never got that close. Tried but skin started to itch....  >:E
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: george garside on January 03, 2018, 10:28:45 AM
It looks like it has minor row in addition to the usual bass and major chords. I have an accordion with the name Geraldo that has the same bass layout.

I have come across these occasionaly but not for a long time.  the bass is stradella ( same both ways) 8x3.  bass, major and minor chords.?BbFCGDAEB  . Presumably the bass end is interchangeable with the pokerwork melodeon  ?

george
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: Theo on January 03, 2018, 10:29:38 AM
No its not interchangeable, it is much larger.
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: george garside on January 03, 2018, 10:33:05 AM
no point in looking for one then!

george :(
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: triskel on January 04, 2018, 04:52:12 PM
No its not interchangeable, it is much larger.

7 1/8 x 12 1/4 inches according to a catalogue of the time, as opposed to 5 7/8 x 11 inches for the pokerwork. It'd take some "adapter plate"! :o
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on January 04, 2018, 05:19:42 PM
How does the weight compare with a pokerwork melodeon? I have a PA playing friend who'd ;ike something that's light enough to dance with.
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: RogerT on January 05, 2018, 07:41:11 AM
I restored the reeds on a mint Student 1 recently. The ends were about the same size as a PW and it had the metal corners etc. It was a lovely little instrument...and ...well..you can play in DG...*and* other keys without too much trouble (think of it..what novelty) ... >:E *and* in the right hands you would struggle to tell the difference between it and a melodeon ...just thought I'd put that out there. PAs aren't all bad.
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: jonm on January 05, 2018, 09:08:55 AM
If anyone knows of one of these for sale, please can you let me know?
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on January 05, 2018, 11:12:55 AM
Seen one for the first time.A strange looking beast.

Was that in this part of the world, Jimmy?
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: Jimmy on January 05, 2018, 11:29:33 AM
Seen one for the first time.A strange looking beast.

Was that in this part of the world, Jimmy?
Yes, it was in the Netherlands, but it has been sold.
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: Tiposx on January 05, 2018, 01:20:46 PM
I am pretty sure that quite a few of the old Hohner pa's are Pokerwork size. My 1939 Student 1 is 28/15 cm and weighs 3.2 kilos. The 1938 Alpina next to it is 31.5/18 cm and weighs 4.4 kilos. The treble ends are very similar to melodeons and sound the same-ish.
I suspect that the Alpina is similar to a Student 3 but with different decor.
The Student 1 basses are fund/chord in FC GD, whereas the Alpina has a stradella machine inside and goes from Ab to A in fund/major/minor.
Both have 3/4" keys, but those on the Student 1 are much shorter.
They both sound great and have very meaty basses. The simplicity of build and lack of registers or stops makes them lighter than any modern pa as far as I know.
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: malcolmbebb on January 05, 2018, 01:34:52 PM
I restored the reeds on a mint Student 1 recently. The ends were about the same size as a PW ...

With the  addition of a proper  >:E fingerboard assy plus correcting the  reeds/tuning  >:E they can be redeemed into something useful. It's a fair amount of work, but has been done.

The bellows and frames will fit a melodeon chassis. There does seem to be two slightly different case sizes around this time, with maybe 1.5 mm difference, but I have fitted Student bellows and frames directly to a 2815 - even the pin holes lined up.

I've been meaning to check, from the dimensions posted above, whether the pokerwork PA could accept a Club fingerboard etc in a similar manner, but haven't got around to it.
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: RogerT on January 05, 2018, 01:42:58 PM
Hi tiposx, yes the Student 1 is the same size as the one I mention. I have no idea where it had been kept but it looked brand new. It really was quite something.
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: Lester on January 05, 2018, 01:51:21 PM
One of my Student 1 conversions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmPWJy-8kKM
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: Tiposx on January 05, 2018, 01:53:04 PM
Hi Roger T
I love those video showing the work you do btw.
I would love to see a mint Student1. My  3 pa purchases have been a challenge to get working again but then they were very cheap indeed. They seem to become very neglected - but it makes for a very rewarding hobby when they return to life.
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: Tiposx on January 05, 2018, 01:54:55 PM
Hi Lester that sounds loveley.
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: Lester on January 05, 2018, 04:11:11 PM
And another conversion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCRXQSDp7v0
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: Andy Next Tune on January 05, 2018, 04:39:04 PM
How did you sort out the basses Lester? They are normally offset, but both boxes on your videos have them squared off 'melodeon-style'.
Other Student 1 conversions I've seen have left them offset.

I've a Student 1 sitting on a shelf as a pending project, awaiting surgery while the required parts are acquired.
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: Lester on January 05, 2018, 04:52:22 PM
How did you sort out the basses Lester? They are normally offset, but both boxes on your videos have them squared off 'melodeon-style'.
Other Student 1 conversions I've seen have left them offset.

I've a Student 1 sitting on a shelf as a pending project, awaiting surgery while the required parts are acquired.

On the first one (floral design) I filled the inside 4 holes and redrilled them in the melodeon manner so they are slightly offset to the top of the box, on the Art Deco one I remade the whole button section so it is melodeon shaped and in the 'correct' position.
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: Anahata on January 05, 2018, 06:05:20 PM
Here another conversion job: Simon Ritchie's (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UlUZuSfceI)
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: Winston Smith on January 05, 2018, 06:53:28 PM
Ooooh, I liked that video! Thanks, Mr Anahata.
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: Lester on January 06, 2018, 12:35:25 PM
Currently in my workshop.

Student 1

https://photos.app.goo.gl/WaqFzna0xJOfsjQf1
 (https://photos.app.goo.gl/WaqFzna0xJOfsjQf1)

And a larger Pokerwork PA with a curious bass layout, the buttons are paired as on a melodeon but play same bass/chord in both directions. Basses available are F, G, A, Bb, C, and D

https://photos.app.goo.gl/8PGMRU7EJ2tv1Io13 (https://photos.app.goo.gl/8PGMRU7EJ2tv1Io13)
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: malcolmbebb on January 06, 2018, 02:36:07 PM
Lester, can't get pictures to display?
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: george garside on January 06, 2018, 04:00:08 PM
presumably the buttons are ? bottom to  top in that order .? rather than the logical Bb, F,C,G.D,A  . Also the 'melodeon rather than stradella button layout is an odd way to have gone but must, presumably, have been logical to he who did it

George 
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: Lester on January 06, 2018, 04:11:04 PM
presumably the buttons are ? bottom to  top in that order .? rather than the logical Bb, F,C,G.D,A  . Also the 'melodeon rather than stradella button layout is an odd way to have gone but must, presumably, have been logical to he who did it

George

Viewed from the front

F     Bb
F     Bb

G     C       Bellows
G     C

A     D
A     D
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: Lester on January 06, 2018, 04:37:40 PM
Lester, can't get pictures to display?

Fixed
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on January 09, 2018, 10:41:20 AM
Here's one for repair, if you're quick.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/273006826150?ul_noapp=true
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: triskel on January 10, 2018, 05:22:37 AM
Here's one for repair, if you're quick.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/273006826150?ul_noapp=true

Relisted in case anybody's interested - Hohner accordion (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hohner-accordion-/273017773658?), though it's neither a pokerwork, nor small enough to subvert/convert to a button box...   ;)
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: triskel on February 01, 2018, 06:04:02 PM
Here's another pokerwork one for sale: A Pre-owned Hohner 'Steel Reeds' Accordian. Made in Germany. Spares & Repair. (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/A-Pre-owned-Hohner-Steel-Reeds-Accordian-Made-in-Germany-Spares-Repair/222819386164?hash=item33e1120334:g:KuoAAOSw57xacxcZ)
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: Winston Smith on February 01, 2018, 06:54:42 PM
That's a lovely looking thing, but surely bigger than a Pokerwork melodeon?
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: Andrius on February 01, 2018, 08:39:31 PM
I like this one (https://www.ebay.de/itm/292393976009)
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: triskel on February 02, 2018, 02:35:39 AM
That's a lovely looking thing, but surely bigger than a Pokerwork melodeon?

It is bigger, yes Edward, but so too was the one that started this thread...
Title: Re: Hohner pokerwork piano accordion!
Post by: triskel on February 02, 2018, 02:56:41 AM
I like this one (https://www.ebay.de/itm/292393976009)

"Creeper pattern" was how Hohner themselves described that design (when applied to a diatonic) in Catalogue No. 700.