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Title: Jig Dolls
Post by: Badger on June 22, 2017, 01:09:10 PM
As the melodeon is one of the insruments used for jig dolls, I wondered if there was anyone who has knowledge of where I can acquire plans to build a jig doll.  Wish to use it as a tool for school children to become involved in folk music and art.
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: Matthew B on June 22, 2017, 01:23:34 PM
Here you go
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: hallelujahal on June 22, 2017, 10:10:23 PM
I have commissioned Chris Harvey to make me a couple of rather special jigdolls over the years. I'm seriously thinking about getting his foot machine so that I can play and operate the dolls at the same time 😀...scroll down the webpage to see what he makes
http://jigdolls.co.uk/accessories.html

I just wish I had the diy skills to make my own jigdolls and accessories!
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: busbox on June 22, 2017, 11:14:00 PM
Hi Badger
I got a foot operated jig doll from Chris Harvey and it is superb.
Because I also wanted some more Australian models, a friend made me a copy that looks like a swaggie. The swaggie is good
but it is pretty clear that Chris has all the balance right.
I have seen online a design for 'limber jacks' - the American name - which uses flat timber rather than lathed for the body.
This means you can use the fret saw to cut out multiple pieces if that suits.
Perhaps if you google limber jacks you will get something useful.
Cheerio
Tony
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: Steve_freereeder on June 23, 2017, 01:43:37 AM
The East Anglian Traditional Music Trust has a special section on Jig Dolls.
http://www.eatmt.org.uk/jigdolls.htm
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: Nick Collis Bird on June 27, 2017, 06:36:09 AM
Chris Harvey is brilliant. I sent him photos of two founder members of Bourne River Morris. Back came two very recognisable dolls with the double footplate. A real show stopper.
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: Steve C. on June 27, 2017, 01:21:42 PM
Badger, try also looking for "marionette a la planchette" there are lots of neat ideas....
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: Stiamh on June 27, 2017, 02:17:46 PM
Badger, try also looking for "marionette a la planchette" there are lots of neat ideas....

Or, using the Canadian term, bonhomme gigueux | gigueur.  (:)
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: hallelujahal on June 27, 2017, 05:30:26 PM
One that Chris Harvey made for me...a dancing, timbrel swinging Hallelujah Lassie !

Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: baz parkes on June 27, 2017, 09:10:13 PM
Al that is a thing of beauty

Is her name perchance Barbara?
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Post by: Ebor_fiddler on June 27, 2017, 10:58:04 PM
I seem to remember that Rennie Pickles used to play what he called "Gomersall Gob Music", ie Mouth Music.
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: boxcall on June 28, 2017, 01:21:40 AM
I made one, in about an hour. modeled loosely on the one in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoQ39LxHRio
My jig doll body is made of pine with hardwood for the feet for better sound and 1/4 plywood dancing board.
It can be simple in construction and still sound good. I used toothpicks for pivot points( just because they worked) and cut slots for legs with a table saw. cut out body with jig saw, easy to do.  The kids that come by love it!
I did it all "by eye" as for dimensions but could give you what i did if needed.
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: Badger on June 28, 2017, 03:02:50 PM
Thanks to everyone for there helpful comments.  I am now in the process of making a jig doll.  However, I would still like to get my hands on a copy of the book.  It must be a good edition to read if they are as rare as it appears.
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: hallelujahal on June 28, 2017, 07:04:09 PM
Al that is a thing of beauty

Is her name perchance Barbara?
Nope..Sally Ann of course 😀😀😀😀
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: baz parkes on June 28, 2017, 08:08:51 PM
Al that is a thing of beauty

Is her name perchance Barbara?
Nope..Sally Ann of course 😀😀😀😀

Not a Major, then.... (:)
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: hallelujahal on June 28, 2017, 10:54:08 PM
No, she's just a young lieutenant 😁
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: Nick Collis Bird on June 29, 2017, 08:09:14 AM
Minor young lieutenant ?  >:E
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: Winston Smith on June 29, 2017, 08:17:34 AM
No, no! She's a jig dancer, not Morris.
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: folkloristmark on July 29, 2017, 05:40:57 PM
Has anyone got an email or phone number for Chris as I cant find one on the website. I want to discuss getting a jig but tried the checkout takes me to Paypal. Am I missing something? Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: Nick Collis Bird on July 29, 2017, 06:26:35 PM
Hi Mark,
This is the number I have.
+44 (0) 1394 4111960.
 Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: folkloristmark on July 29, 2017, 10:14:48 PM
Thank you will try tomorrow.
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: folkloristmark on July 30, 2017, 04:49:40 PM
Nick that number I think has a didgit to many ? can you check it a PM will do. Thanks
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: triskel on July 30, 2017, 07:57:10 PM
Otherwise, the email address, on the website, is chris@jigdolls.co.uk.
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: Mike Hirst on July 30, 2017, 10:04:47 PM
I made several of these in the '70s. My first doll look almost the same as this. I used cocktail sticks for joints. This worked well for the first week after which the legs fell off. I replaced the joints with metal pins fashioned from bent nails. the dolls I made using this method are stored in the loft, but still work and have not needed modification in more than 40 years.

I made one, in about an hour. modeled loosely on the one in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoQ39LxHRio
My jig doll body is made of pine with hardwood for the feet for better sound and 1/4 plywood dancing board.
It can be simple in construction and still sound good. I used toothpicks for pivot points( just because they worked) and cut slots for legs with a table saw. cut out body with jig saw, easy to do.  The kids that come by love it!
I did it all "by eye" as for dimensions but could give you what i did if needed.
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: boxcall on July 30, 2017, 11:30:07 PM
My first attempt was using oak for the body, it was to heavy and I didn't leave enough room for movement in the joints. It didn't last long, but the new one is going strong after a couple years.
I looked at the EAMT web site that Steve posted, great looking dolls but I doubt they would sound much better. I was reading where they say the doll is " jigged up and down.
Would that be need if tapping the board? I see that that's what is happening with the foot operated one, but find I only need to when I want more arm action.
My arms could be better fitted and could benefit from a hand attached at a right angle to add to the movement, I think.
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: Stig Bubblecard on July 31, 2017, 08:44:56 AM
Cigar Box Nation posted some very rudimentary plans (from 1935) recently referring to them as 'Limberjack' plans.

If I've done this right you can find them here.

http://www.cigarboxnation.com/forum/topics/1935-limberjack-plans-free-download?utm_source=July+25+NATION&utm_campaign=CBN+July+25+Newsletter&utm_medium=email

Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: GPS on July 31, 2017, 09:04:23 AM
I made several of these in the '70s. My first doll look almost the same as this. I used cocktail sticks for joints. This worked well for the first week after which the legs fell off. I replaced the joints with metal pins fashioned from bent nails. the dolls I made using this method are stored in the loft, but still work and have not needed modification in more than 40 years.

I made one, in about an hour. modeled loosely on the one in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoQ39LxHRio
My jig doll body is made of pine with hardwood for the feet for better sound and 1/4 plywood dancing board.
It can be simple in construction and still sound good. I used toothpicks for pivot points( just because they worked) and cut slots for legs with a table saw. cut out body with jig saw, easy to do.  The kids that come by love it!
I did it all "by eye" as for dimensions but could give you what i did if needed.

We made a number of these back when were trading as "Rannygazoo Puppets". The problem we had was with the joints; it's easy enough to make a sound reliable joint if you're doing it for your own use, but H&S considerations meant that, as we were making them for sale, sharp metal objects were off the agenda!  In the end the line was abandoned, as it was simply too time-consuming and expensive to produce a reliable and durable child-safe joint which still worked properly and could be sold at an economic price. Nails are the best answer, by the way, if H&S doesn't apply!

Graham
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: folkloristmark on August 22, 2017, 07:54:58 PM
Thanks all a pair of jig dolls arrived from Chris today and they are indeed very fine.
Many thanks
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: Winston Smith on August 22, 2017, 08:08:13 PM
Pictures, Mark?
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: folkloristmark on August 22, 2017, 09:22:35 PM
here
Title: Re: Jig Dolls
Post by: Winston Smith on August 22, 2017, 10:39:39 PM
Thanks, they look like a lovely couple.