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Title: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: Clive Williams on October 01, 2017, 03:13:41 PM
Hi all - this months theme, keeping things nice and generic is Irish music, in all of its many flavourings.

As ever, here's a few suggestions:

- Previous (a long time ago) TOTM winner, Planxty Irwin, a famous O'Carolan tune -
 you can find many versions of it here: http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php/topic,9165.40.html including the lovely Martin Ellison's lovely version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSQQHM9vw3E

- John Ryan's polka, here ably played by Pikey, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzx-CTdf5r0 - a session standard if ever there was one

- and for something a little less well known on box, Sean Ryan's jig, played by a certain Mr Martin Hayes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9vlmAYw0a8

Happy playing folks; off to learn that 3rd one now....

Cheers,

Clive
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: pikey on October 01, 2017, 03:45:07 PM
Thanks Clive !

Here's an Irish Polka that we call Fish and Taters , learned of a bloke who learnt it in the 1960s from the Rakes in London .  I usually play it as the third tune in a set with Tralee Gaol and Maggie in the Wood

https://youtu.be/baFbo9xu_5s

Here are the other two !

https://youtu.be/DYVhSkaqz6U
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: pikey on October 01, 2017, 03:49:03 PM
Here are some more Irish polkas , from Clare , learned from Jackie Daly .
Played on the Bb/Eb Geipel when it was wheezy , before Theo worked his magic on it ( other tuners are available .... )  ;)

https://youtu.be/FnF0zWVQDq4
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: folkbluesnbeyond on October 04, 2017, 11:23:35 AM
https://youtu.be/aEEKMCJIaew

Two Reels. Finneys is a working title as the tune was taught to Chris Dove by Finney, and neither know whether it has a 'real' name. (Let us know if you think it has). It came as 24 bars, so doubling on the A pulled it up to 32, and while repetitive seems to jog along nicely. Ships are Sailing is a standard from the 'to do' pile and seems to fit.

All the best from Suffolk

Bill
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: Ellisteph on October 04, 2017, 11:41:06 AM
https://youtu.be/aEEKMCJIaew

Two Reels. Finneys is a working title as the tune was taught to Chris Dove by Finney, and neither know whether it has a 'real' name. (Let us know if you think it has). It came as 24 bars, so doubling on the A pulled it up to 32, and while repetitive seems to jog along nicely. Ships are Sailing is a standard from the 'to do' pile and seems to fit.

All the best from Suffolk

Bill
Good stuff Bill. And proof that Irish tunes don't need a B/C or similar to sound really good.
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: Stiamh on October 04, 2017, 12:39:35 PM
Finneys is a working title as the tune was taught to Chris Dove by Finney, and neither know whether it has a 'real' name. (Let us know if you think it has).

Called Colonel McBain (https://thesession.org/tunes/102), among other names. Good tune!
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: Katie Howson on October 04, 2017, 02:16:38 PM
Here are some more Irish polkas , from Clare , learned from Jackie Daly .
Played on the Bb/Eb Geipel when it was wheezy , before Theo worked his magic on it ( other tuners are available .... )  ;)

https://youtu.be/FnF0zWVQDq4

Hi Pikey, Nice tunes! However, they're not from Clare, they're from Jackie's home area of north Cork, and the second two are sometimes referred to after a town in the area - as the Newmarket Polkas - but then so are some other tunes! The first one I think sometimes goes under the name of Sullivan's if you haven't got anything else with that name. I admire you for having a go at the last one, I've tried it on a couple of different boxes but always seem to run out of air, specially if I put the basses in. I like to play the final A on the G row pull to get the A bass - well whatever the equivalent is on an Bb/Eb. I play the first two tunes and have the middle one in what I think is a really nice set, but I've never yet braved the challenge of the technology needed to put a film up on here. I might get round to it before the month is out though!  (:)
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: folkbluesnbeyond on October 04, 2017, 03:08:10 PM



"Called Colonel McBain (https://thesession.org/tunes/102), among other names. Good tune!"


Thanks Stiamh, I think we might just add Finney's to the list! Thanks also Ellisteph for your +ve response :-)

Bill
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: Stiamh on October 04, 2017, 03:18:42 PM
Thanks Stiamh, I think we might just add Finney's to the list!

Why not put "Uncle Tom Cobley's" in while you're at it...  ;)
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: Stiamh on October 04, 2017, 03:38:28 PM
Feel I ought to contribute something to this theme at least but have no camera to do filming at present, so forgive me for adding this - it's an old tutorial video but I play through the tune 3 times at the start. The Ballintore Fancy (John Fleming's Jig) (https://youtu.be/V9o1Rzry9AM).
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: smiley on October 04, 2017, 11:03:45 PM
Here's a short recording of Miss McLeod's Reel (https://soundcloud.com/dogbox/miss-mcleods-reel) I did when a friend introduced me to the garageband software. Still haven't worked out how to use the software, but I'll try to record some Irish tunes on video later on.

BTW (before someone else raises it) Miss McLeod's is a well-known Scottish tune that has become a standard amongst Irish players. Good tunes travel well.
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: forrest on October 05, 2017, 07:03:35 AM
A favorite of mine, learned from the fiddling of Randal Bays. This is a composition of 17th century Irish harper Thomas Connellan, entitled "Molly St. George". I also added a bit of guitar.

                                  https://youtu.be/Pul2zuEAApw (https://youtu.be/Pul2zuEAApw)
         
                     
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: Ellisteph on October 06, 2017, 02:19:53 PM
I don't have a huge number of Irish tunes in my repertoire, but this is one I learnt many years ago from Neil Brookes. Neil learnt it from the Irish players that frequented the Exiles of Erin pub in the early 1970's. The pub is no longer there I'm afraid. The Kilfenora jig:


https://youtu.be/w1_i6UICAlo


Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: Stiamh on October 06, 2017, 03:56:06 PM
Good tunes everyone. I liked Ian's Miss McLeod - very Connemara treatment.  (:) Molly St George is a beautiful and wonderfully meandering sort of air. And the Kilfenora Jig is a classic that seems to have fallen out of fashion and should be heard more often. Keep them coming...
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: playandteach on October 06, 2017, 04:03:55 PM
Stiamh
As a resident expert here, could you recommend a couple of tunes to learn? I've looked at quite a few, but so many have contradictory provenance - some claim to be Irish but others say they're Scottish... etc.
I'd be keen to be pointed in a securely Irish direction.
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: Stiamh on October 06, 2017, 04:09:08 PM
Blimey, no. Expert - not, a one-eyed man at best (:)

What do you want to tackle? A jig, a reel, a hornpipe, a march, a polka, a slide, a "piece"? What keys do you like to play in? Quart-box players might be better placed to make suggestions, but if you can narrow it down a bit I'll have a go.
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: TomB on October 06, 2017, 05:41:49 PM
Stiamh
As a resident expert here, could you recommend a couple of tunes to learn? I've looked at quite a few, but so many have contradictory provenance - some claim to be Irish but others say they're Scottish... etc.
I'd be keen to be pointed in a securely Irish direction.


Many tunes have been absorbed into the Irish tradition from other countries, not just from the UK, but they can still be played as Irish music. Don't mix 'tunes' up with 'music', it is more to do with the style of how the tunes are produced/ /played.
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: playandteach on October 06, 2017, 05:55:56 PM
Blimey, no. Expert - not, a one-eyed man at best (:)

What do you want to tackle? A jig, a reel, a hornpipe, a march, a polka, a slide, a "piece"? What keys do you like to play in? Quart-box players might be better placed to make suggestions, but if you can narrow it down a bit I'll have a go.
Let's go with a reel or slip jig. Usual keys for a DG box. Ideally something that might come up at a session.
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: Theo on October 06, 2017, 06:05:09 PM
Far from Home in G, is a good one on a DG box.

http://abcnotation.com/tunePage?a=trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/Contra/KC/reel/FarFromHome_G/0000
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: Stiamh on October 06, 2017, 06:13:19 PM
Far from Home in G, is a good one on a DG box.

http://abcnotation.com/tunePage?a=trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/Contra/KC/reel/FarFromHome_G/0000

I'd second that. But for the C#/D experience, play it on the D row. (:)

Edit to add: PS playing it on the D row will keep your fingers off those bass buttons so you can concentrate on making the melody flow à l'irlandaise...
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: playandteach on October 06, 2017, 07:33:05 PM
Might well try it without basses but certainly won't be attempting it on one row. Trickier than it looks.
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: boxcall on October 07, 2017, 04:45:21 PM
My contribution-
I just started learning this one, it should be in G but I'm playing it in D.
Also I'm not playing all the notes in the run down (missing out the triplets)
I pretty much picked it out by ear so I'm probably not playing it "right" and I just started using GarageBand Ian's post reminded me that I had it, so I thought I'd try it.
I've been paring it with the Galway hornpipe as I think they go good together.
https://soundcloud.com/boxcall/the-friendly-visit-in-d
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: smiley on October 08, 2017, 08:03:48 AM
I've been looking around for reels to play for Irish set dancing and the Humours of Ballyconnell is one that I think will be manageable at 120bpm on the D/G box. The video is pretty basic, just using my laptop's webcam and mic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28peSynKLdM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28peSynKLdM)

My style of playing won't win any prizes at the fleadh but the local Irish set dancers enjoy a bit of 'spark' to the music and I try to oblige.
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: Mike Carney on October 08, 2017, 08:57:59 AM
My contribution-
I just started learning this one, it should be in G but I'm playing it in D.
Also I'm not playing all the notes in the run down (missing out the triplets)
I pretty much picked it out by ear so I'm probably not playing it "right" and I just started using GarageBand Ian's post reminded me that I had it, so I thought I'd try it.
I've been paring it with the Galway hornpipe as I think they go good together.
https://soundcloud.com/boxcall/the-friendly-visit-in-d
Nice work. Enjoyed the light touch and the rich reed sound with the slight reverb.  (:)
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: Mike Carney on October 08, 2017, 09:01:26 AM
A favorite of mine, learned from the fiddling of Randal Bays. This is a composition of 17th century Irish harper Thomas Connellan, entitled "Molly St. George". I also added a bit of guitar.

                                  https://youtu.be/Pul2zuEAApw (https://youtu.be/Pul2zuEAApw)
         
                     
Very evocative. Thanks for this. Going to put it on the list. Will have to see how it sounds without the guitar as I think that adds a lot.
Cheers  M
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: playandteach on October 08, 2017, 09:12:07 AM
I've been looking around for reels to play for Irish set dancing and the Humours of Ballyconnell is one...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28peSynKLdM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28peSynKLdM)

My style of playing won't win any prizes at the fleadh but the local Irish set dancers enjoy a bit of 'spark' to the music and I try to oblige.
And that's immediately clearly beyond my technical comfort zone. Which is why I have taken on the challenge this month. Sore hand from practice last night. I'm still trying to play the notes in the right direction for the chords but playing with more separation. Long journey ahead.
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: boxcall on October 08, 2017, 08:53:02 PM
My contribution-
I just started learning this one, it should be in G but I'm playing it in D.
Also I'm not playing all the notes in the run down (missing out the triplets)
I pretty much picked it out by ear so I'm probably not playing it "right" and I just started using GarageBand Ian's post reminded me that I had it, so I thought I'd try it.
I've been paring it with the Galway hornpipe as I think they go good together.
https://soundcloud.com/boxcall/the-friendly-visit-in-d
Nice work. Enjoyed the light touch and the rich reed sound with the slight reverb.  (:)
Thanks Mike,
I just used the settings that were set already so it came out as such.
I'll have to try some other settings sometime (:)
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: boxcall on October 11, 2017, 09:15:43 PM
A couple of hornpipes
The Liverpool and stack of barley
My Teacher Jack Conroy told me play tunes in different keys together, so here's my attempt "Irish style" linking a D and G tune.


https://soundcloud.com/boxcall/liverpool-stack-of-barley
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: folkbluesnbeyond on October 12, 2017, 01:40:36 PM
Marino Casino, by John Sheahan which was brought along to a local (Essex) session this week by Danny, (a member here?) As I was casting for a contribution to this thread, it seemed to meet the brief. Played on a rather battered G 4 stop. Written as an air but played as 'first heard'.

https://youtu.be/-SQtvlSwOiQ

All the best

Bill



Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: Clive Williams on October 15, 2017, 01:18:14 PM
Thanks all - here's a couple from me:

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHdd0gv0T2w - Planxty Madame Maxwell, played on a D/G Giasco I; an O'Carolan march.

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve_S3XeDCrs - Planxty Davis, played on a Bb/Eb Preciosa, which despite popular belief isn't an O'Carolan march, but was in fact written by Thomas Connellan, another Irish harpist. Often played as a hornpipe, especially for dancing, but not here :-)

Cheers,

Clive
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: Grape Ape on October 15, 2017, 10:17:42 PM
Well, even though I already posted a different version of this tune on the Eleanor Plunkett thread, it is the only truly Irish tune I know, so it here it is again this time played on a Gc Pokerwork:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I30MyLB6d_U

On a Handry (recorded Oct 2nd so still fair game:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NOgn1FdGMWw

And even though it isn’t technically Irish, the following was recorded the other night and is Irish enough to me:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MripO0lxDMs




Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: boxcall on October 25, 2017, 04:14:15 PM
Nice tunes all  (:)

Here's a couple of reels first takes and nothing fancy as usual.
First one is played on my pepperpot
2nd on my beltuna
I'm not sure if both are "Irish" but certainly played by them.

https://soundcloud.com/boxcall/maid-behind-the-bar-reel

https://soundcloud.com/boxcall/rolling-in-the-ryegrass-reel
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: Katie Howson on October 25, 2017, 05:05:40 PM
Think I've managed to climb the foothills of the mountain that was uploading music 'out there'! The recording's a bit basic and the playing's a bit rough round the edges at times, but I've no time left as I'm off to Ireland shortly.

So here's three Sliabh Luachra polkas: the first I have no name for but I think maybe from the Newmarket area, so I've called it that, second is Johnny I Do Miss You and third is the wonderful Bhaile Bhuirne polka. Might post some slides too if I get time.

https://soundcloud.com/user-450174250/newmarket-polka-johnny-i-do-miss-you-bhaile-bhuirne-polkamp3
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: Katie Howson on October 25, 2017, 05:09:52 PM
I'm on it now!

Three slides from Sliabh Luachra - the first I have no name for but learned from Julia Clifford, so Julia's Slide, then Terry Teahans', then Where's the Cat.

These (and the polkas) are played on my Eric Martin D/G, on the D row, one-row style all the way through. I like doing that for this set as the tunes are in three different keys!

https://soundcloud.com/user-450174250/julias-slide-terry-teahans-wheres-the-catmp3
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: boxcall on October 25, 2017, 05:44:11 PM
That's very nice Katie
It gives the lesser musicians like myself something to aspire to (:)
I also like the sound of your Eric Martin
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: Katie Howson on October 25, 2017, 06:42:14 PM
That's very nice Katie
It gives the lesser musicians like myself something to aspire to (:)
I also like the sound of your Eric Martin
Thanks for your kind comments. I intended adding something slower too, but ran out of time. My basic advice to English players working at Irish music on a D/G is to ease off on the basses. Occasional pokes, drones and offbeat sections work better than a steady oom-pah. Still can't make it work on reels though  ???
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: Shakin' All Hohner on October 30, 2017, 02:19:07 PM
Here's one from me - The Humours of Tullycrine - https://youtu.be/psUR63XD7XA (https://youtu.be/psUR63XD7XA)
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: boxcall on October 30, 2017, 02:59:05 PM
Beautiful Alan, Very haunting kind of sound to it and nicely played.
I'll have to add it to the should learn list.
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: TomBom on October 30, 2017, 04:44:55 PM
Just before the end of the month a slide and a jig.

Going to the well for water: https://soundcloud.com/bomtom/going-to-the-well-for-water-slide (https://soundcloud.com/bomtom/going-to-the-well-for-water-slide)
Trip To Sligo: https://soundcloud.com/bomtom/trip-to-sligo-jig (https://soundcloud.com/bomtom/trip-to-sligo-jig)

Both still too slow, but that's it for now.
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: jorden on October 30, 2017, 09:01:06 PM
The Home Ruler:

https://soundcloud.com/jschuddeboom/home-ruler-totm (https://soundcloud.com/jschuddeboom/home-ruler-totm)

Jorden
Title: Re: Tune and Theme of the Month for October 2017: Irish Music
Post by: Clive Williams on October 31, 2017, 09:53:19 PM
Thanks all - I've just set up the new theme a couple of hours early, so let's close off this theme. As ever, please put any late contributions on the end of this thread (or even on-time just before midnight contributions)!