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Title: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Clive Williams on February 28, 2018, 10:33:36 PM
Here you go folks; this month's winner, Tripping Upstairs, played here by Sandy : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYTDxiAr_ok

A lively jig, often played in D - with frequent use of the B on the push from the G row!

Have fun everyone!

Clive
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Fred on March 01, 2018, 12:05:08 AM
Alrighty, that's a pretty fast one. I'm looking forward to learning it.  :||:

For everyone else interested in an ABC notation of this tune, I made a quick search for a decent sounding version:
Code: [Select]
X: 320
T:Tripping Upstairs
% Nottingham Music Database
S:Trad, arr Phil Rowe
M:6/8
K:D
A|:"D"FAA "G"GBB|"D"FAd fed|"A7"cBc ABc|"D"dfe "G"dcB|
"D"FAA "G"GBB|"D"FAd fed|"A7"cBc ABc|"D"dfe d3::
"Bm"dBB fBB|dBd fed|"A"cAA eAA|cBc edc|
"Bm"dBB fBB|dBd fed|"A7"cBc ABc|"D"dfe d3:|
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: boxcall on March 01, 2018, 01:04:08 AM
This one is a little slower ;)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bRC6Bca_2X4
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on March 01, 2018, 08:55:31 AM
No offence to anyone, but I was struggling to "get" this tune I don't mean play it, just hear what it was about. All I could hear was a succession of notes. Then I found this, from an Italian group, and thought ah! The playing of it may be beyond me but there's some fun to be had trying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjkhM6vw_o4
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: folkbluesnbeyond on March 01, 2018, 09:44:48 AM
https://youtu.be/Mkg6KELHNyg

4stop D & D/G pokerwork

still snowing in Suffolk (UK)

All the best

Bill
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Mcgrooger on March 01, 2018, 07:03:18 PM
Here's one I made (much) earlier for a ThOTM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJe2zX-OuPM
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: boxcall on March 01, 2018, 09:36:04 PM
No offence to anyone, but I was struggling to "get" this tune I don't mean play it, just hear what it was about. All I could hear was a succession of notes. Then I found this, from an Italian group, and thought ah! The playing of it may be beyond me but there's some fun to be had trying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjkhM6vw_o4
Here's a good / fun version!! Sounds like a melodeon playing it , clack-a de-clack-a de:)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3EbBNL3kxrg
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Jesse Smith on March 01, 2018, 10:05:57 PM
Here's a good / fun version!! Sounds like a melodeon playing it , clack-a de-clack-a de:)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3EbBNL3kxrg

Yep, sounds like a Hohner to me! Nice to see that cartoons are still providing traditional musicians some opportunities. I wonder who the performer was. I just learned the other day that John Kirkpatrick played the concertina heard in the background of the Leaky Cauldron scene of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: boxcall on March 02, 2018, 01:15:20 AM
Here's a good / fun version!! Sounds like a melodeon playing it , clack-a de-clack-a de:)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3EbBNL3kxrg

I wonder who the performer was.

I was wondering about that too, I'm not sure but it could be Brian Peters? A search turned up His name as a person that has performed some of the songs/ tunes on the show.
Good job on it I'd say!
http://www.brian-peters.co.uk/petersbio2.html
I believe He's a member of the melnet. Clan
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Jesse Smith on March 02, 2018, 03:55:54 AM
I was wondering about that too, I'm not sure but it could be Brian Peters? A search turned up His name as a person that has performed some of the songs/ tunes on the show.
Good job on it I'd say!
http://www.brian-peters.co.uk/petersbio2.html
I believe He's a member of the melnet. Clan

Ah, I think you're right. He's listed as "composer" on the YouTube video and his bio says he's regularly heard on accordion on the show.

I take back what I said about it sounding like a Hohner; it's not a standard one anyway, because he's got Bm chords or perhaps B5s. That's always the tricky bit with this tune, figuring out what to do with the Bm in the B part (I can't tell if Tony Hall just played basses or if he had Bm chords on his Pokerwork).
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Steve_freereeder on March 02, 2018, 08:08:35 AM
...That's always the tricky bit with this tune, figuring out what to do with the Bm in the B part (I can't tell if Tony Hall just played basses or if he had Bm chords on his Pokerwork).
You play a Bm7 chord: push B bass with a push D chord.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Anahata on March 02, 2018, 08:29:12 AM
He's listed as "composer" on the YouTube video and his bio says he's regularly heard on accordion on the show.
...
I take back what I said about it sounding like a Hohner

Brian Peters usually plays a Saltarelle.

Quote
That's always the tricky bit with this tune, figuring out what to do with the Bm in the B part (I can't tell if Tony Hall just played basses or if he had Bm chords on his Pokerwork).
Tony Hall definitely has B minor (or the equivalent in some other pitch) on at least one of his boxes. I heard it quite clearly (and used very effectively) in a live performance long ago and it inspired me to ask for my new Oakwood to have a B minor instead of major.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: baz parkes on March 02, 2018, 11:42:03 AM
I was wondering about that too, I'm not sure but it could be Brian Peters? A search turned up His name as a person that has performed some of the songs/ tunes on the show.
Good job on it I'd say!
http://www.brian-peters.co.uk/petersbio2.html
I believe He's a member of the melnet. Clan

Ah, I think you're right. He's listed as "composer" on the YouTube video and his bio says he's regularly heard on accordion on the show.

Bit of a tangential question...In spite of having 5 grandchildren I have yet to experience this delight...How are the tunes used...as background to some wacky cartoon zaniness, or whilst credits roll. or...

Confused of Mobberley...
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Theo on March 02, 2018, 12:13:03 PM
He's listed as "composer" on the YouTube video and his bio says he's regularly heard on accordion on the show.
...
I take back what I said about it sounding like a Hohner

Brian Peters usually plays a Saltarelle


Yes a very early Saltarelle, and it’s now quite rattly, and is due in my workshop for overhaul and replacement if worn action parts.  So that would explain the rattles.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on March 02, 2018, 12:22:08 PM
Here's a good / fun version!! Sounds like a melodeon playing it , clack-a de-clack-a de:)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3EbBNL3kxrg

Thanks. I like that. Beautifully clearly played.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Steve_freereeder on March 02, 2018, 12:37:55 PM
He's listed as "composer" on the YouTube video and his bio says he's regularly heard on accordion on the show.
...
I take back what I said about it sounding like a Hohner

Brian Peters usually plays a Saltarelle.
Yes a very early Saltarelle, and it’s now quite rattly, and is due in my workshop for overhaul and replacement if worn action parts.  So that would explain the rattles.
The instrument being played on the Spongebob Youtube recoding is not Brian Peters' Saltarelle Connemara 3, which I know very well.
You can hear it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwLy_Elj5Yg

Brian also plays a 1930s Hohner Club 2 box in C/F which has a lovely mellow sound, not at all like the instrument being played in the Spongebob recording, which seems to be in the key of D and has a bright modern Hohner-ish sound.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Jesse Smith on March 02, 2018, 01:40:32 PM
...That's always the tricky bit with this tune, figuring out what to do with the Bm in the B part (I can't tell if Tony Hall just played basses or if he had Bm chords on his Pokerwork).
You play a Bm7 chord: push B bass with a push D chord.
Yes, I noticed that's what Sandy did in this part in her videos: just kept going with a B bass and D chord and it sounded fine. I'll give that a try.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on March 02, 2018, 01:46:17 PM

...Yes, I noticed that's what Sandy did in this part in her videos: just kept going with a B bass and D chord and it sounded fine. I'll give that a try.

It's one of the standard ways of doing it. Same thing applies to Making an Am7 with an A bass and a C chord.
Two alternatives are to tape over the thirds in the A and or B chords or to retune the thirds.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Anahata on March 02, 2018, 01:47:04 PM
The instrument being played on the Spongebob Youtube recoding is not Brian Peters' Saltarelle Connemara 3

Your're right - it doesn't sound a bit a like a Saltarelle, and I'd say the sound has Hohner written all over it (Pokerwork or Erica).
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Anahata on March 02, 2018, 01:52:40 PM
It's one of the standard ways of doing it. Same thing applies to Making an Am7 with an A bass and a C chord.
Two alternatives are to tape over the thirds in the A and or B chords or to retune the thirds.

Another alternative is to play the bass note and not bother with chords, or find the chord notes in the right hand, though in this case the tune is making a pattern out of a B minor chord anyway, so nothing more is really needed.
You can add interest by punching a nice syncopated rhythm on that B bass note, or holding it down as a drone for as long as the tune will allow. Or both, on different repetitions of that parts of the music. Really, chords are optional - listen to some Irish players!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Mike Carney on March 02, 2018, 03:01:02 PM
Here's mine. Still snowy!

https://soundcloud.com/oysterboy6/tripping-upstairs

Cheers
Mike
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Jesse Smith on March 02, 2018, 10:30:21 PM
It's one of the standard ways of doing it. Same thing applies to Making an Am7 with an A bass and a C chord.
Two alternatives are to tape over the thirds in the A and or B chords or to retune the thirds.
I knew about playing a B bass and D chord *together* to get Bm7, but I had never really thought about playing the D by itself to fake a Bm chord, but with a B bass going it works!

I'm glad we picked this tune, it is getting me to explore into the upper octave a bit more (trying to learn Tony Hall's alternate A part). I thought this one would be way beyond me, but it's starting to come together, actually. Maybe by the end of the month I'll be able to get through a recording without crashing back downstairs. ;) :||:
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Gena Crisman on March 03, 2018, 12:34:41 PM
I'm glad we picked this tune, it is getting me to explore into the upper octave a bit more (trying to learn Tony Hall's alternate A part). I thought this one would be way beyond me, but it's starting to come together, actually. Maybe by the end of the month I'll be able to get through a recording without crashing back downstairs. ;) :||:

If at all helpful, I transcribed the alternative A that Sandy plays to ABC, how close it matches Tony Halls, I do not know:
Code: [Select]
P:Aalt
"D"afd "G" bgd| "D" afd dcd | "A" e2e ede | "D" fag f2a |
"D"afd "G" bgd| "D" afd dcd | "A" e2e eBc |1 "D"dfe d2a:|2"D"dfe d3|
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on March 03, 2018, 12:59:30 PM
Is Tony Hall's setting setting available to freely listen to anywhere on line?
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Steve_freereeder on March 03, 2018, 01:28:36 PM
Is Tony Hall's setting setting available to freely listen to anywhere on line?
Very unlikely. There is hardly any of Tony's music on-line. A search for 'Tony Hall Melodeon' will pretty much bring you everything there is. 
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Jesse Smith on March 03, 2018, 03:54:13 PM
Is Tony Hall's setting setting available to freely listen to anywhere on line?

Well, you can hear a 30 second clip of Tripping Upstairs here, which includes the "alternate A" and the standard B parts.

https://archive.org/details/cd_fieldvole-music_tony-hall
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Jesse Smith on March 03, 2018, 03:55:43 PM
If at all helpful, I transcribed the alternative A that Sandy plays to ABC, how close it matches Tony Halls, I do not know:
Code: [Select]
P:Aalt
"D"afd "G" bgd| "D" afd dcd | "A" e2e ede | "D" fag f2a |
"D"afd "G" bgd| "D" afd dcd | "A" e2e eBc |1 "D"dfe d2a:|2"D"dfe d3|
Thank you Gena!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Saul Bailey on March 03, 2018, 05:53:33 PM
Here's my contribution  (:)

https://youtu.be/O7Q6us4KLDM

Saul
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Mike Carney on March 03, 2018, 09:23:14 PM
Here's my contribution  (:)

https://youtu.be/O7Q6us4KLDM

Saul
Lovely! Great bass work and delicacy of touch.
Mike
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on March 03, 2018, 11:48:13 PM
Is Tony Hall's setting setting available to freely listen to anywhere on line?

Well, you can hear a 30 second clip of Tripping Upstairs here, which includes the "alternate A" and the standard B parts.

https://archive.org/details/cd_fieldvole-music_tony-hall

Thanks for the link. CD on order and eagerly awaited.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Anahata on March 04, 2018, 12:10:31 AM
You'll enjoy it. When I had the vinyl version 40 years ago it was one of my major influences, along with Bob Cann and John Kirkpatrick.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Julian S on March 04, 2018, 08:05:35 AM
I was wondering about starting a thread on 'Influential - or inspirational tunes or recordings'. Some tunes - and players of course can lead one to reassess playing, learn new techniques - sometimes lightbulb moments.
Tony Hall and Fieldvole Music was certainly one for me way back when, and I think Tripping Upstairs is a great 'learning experience' tune. I really like Saul's recording - bass end particularly. Great.
I rarely play the tune now - definitely time to revisit it...

J
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Malcolm on March 04, 2018, 09:56:03 AM
Here's my version coupled with a tune I write to go with it simply because, a. it suddenly appeared under my fingers and b. because I couldn't find anything else....https://soundcloud.com/user-586147375/tripping-upstairs-the-britt (https://soundcloud.com/user-586147375/tripping-upstairs-the-britt) If memory serves me right, it's played on one of Mike Rowbotham's Hohner Erikas in D/G.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on March 04, 2018, 10:41:15 AM
( Julian - a good idea for a thread. It'll give some of us late to the party a chance to visit seminal recordings that newbies like me missed first time round )

Right .... onwards with TotM!
Q
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on March 04, 2018, 10:45:18 AM
I love that second tune. Sounds like a proper English jig. Did you give it a name.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Malcolm on March 04, 2018, 11:17:44 AM
Glad you like it. It's called The Britt - named after The Britannia Inn, Alcombe where it first appeared.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: baz parkes on March 04, 2018, 08:28:04 PM
So...a little bit of fun on a rainy cold and miserable Sunday...or a massive chunk of self indulgence. :|glug

Moving seamlessly  >:E through from G to A to C to D...

Hohner 1040 in G (the pretty one]
Hohner 1040 in A (the okard one)
Hohner 114C in C (the gigging one
Salterelle Cajun in D (the posh bird)

Each chunk is about 1.70 minutes. I'm not sure I played it the same way twice, but hey, I had fun...

https://youtu.be/XrNOtZTfakk
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Mike Carney on March 05, 2018, 08:04:28 AM
Enjoyed Malcolm’s playing - thanks for the new tune too and Baz’s. On the multiple instrument one I liked the sound of the third instrument best, I think it was the one in C. What a growl! Must resist. For now...
M
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: baz parkes on March 05, 2018, 12:05:58 PM
On the multiple instrument one I liked the sound of the third instrument best, I think it was the one in C. What a growl!

Me too...she's my desert island box...

Must resist. For now...

To quote Mrs Doyle....Go on go on go on.... >:E
M

Thanks...
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: JonathanC on March 05, 2018, 12:39:37 PM
Here is a video I did last summer to help some of the new starters at our local session

Tripping Upstairs finishing with Haste to the Wedding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtl-_Mxn_YI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtl-_Mxn_YI)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: boxcall on March 16, 2018, 06:13:17 PM
Here's my go on this one, two weeks in to learning it.
Probably sounds like a bunch of notes mashed together at this point. (:)
I'm just trying to keep things moving here ;)

https://soundcloud.com/boxcall/tripping-upstairs
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Fred on March 17, 2018, 03:54:55 PM
Well played!

Personally I must say that I'm really struggling with this tune. It's not the type of melodies I normally play, so it's definitely something new for me to learn. Often enough it works out pretty well (with just minor hickups) but when I start recording, I mess it all up again... If I can't get a relatively clean recording until the end of the month, I will most likely just upload a messed up version of it to proof that I have at least tried to learn the tune! :D
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: boxcall on March 17, 2018, 04:15:37 PM
Thanks Fred
There's a few places where I need to clean it up and then increase the speed a little.
I also could do better with bass end, I like how Mike Carney does it on his sound cloud recording, I'll have to listen to it a few more times and see if I can reproduce something similar. It's got a good jig feel to it.

This is one of those jigs that has a lot of power IMO like the swallowtail etc. good pick!!

Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Jackhumphreys on March 18, 2018, 09:36:18 AM
Here's my contribution  (:)

https://youtu.be/O7Q6us4KLDM

Saul

Really delighted to have heard this and found your youtube Channel, Saul.  To my ears, real quality of playing and musicianship, with careful articulation of each note and interesting variations of chords and voicing.  Now I'll listen to all your others. Thanks.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: howard mitchell on March 18, 2018, 11:00:32 AM
For various reasons I'm not able to make recordings this month, but here's a video of the The Derbyshire Volunteers with me somewhere in the lineup, playing Tripping Upstairs.

The video is taken from side stage, near to the brass section so the soprano and baritone saxes (when they come in) tend to dominate whereas the fiddles and concertinas are way over the other side.
You can see that I suffer from the baritone sax in my right ear and percussion behind. No problem staying with the rhythm but hearing my co-melodeon player Doug Eunson on the left is sometimes a challenge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URpRvTKwlPs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URpRvTKwlPs)
Other videos of the same event are available.


Mitch
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Clive Williams on March 18, 2018, 04:36:27 PM
Here's my take on this - a straightforward take on the Giasco I in D/G.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BruCuOwXoY

Cheers, Clive
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Fred on March 18, 2018, 05:49:23 PM
Lovely recordings from everyone.

I've finally managed to get a recording of my playing which I'm fairly happy with. Nothing special to be honest. I'm just happy that I'm done with this tune and have submitted my TotM contribution for March 2018.  So that's a win in my book. :D

https://soundcloud.com/laubblaeser/tripping-upstairs-take-1

Best wishes,
Fred
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: boxcall on March 18, 2018, 06:27:16 PM
Sounds good Fred!

Everyone else too!

I like the way some are doing the first measure holding a couple notes, it sound good and it actually a bit easier. I find I'm having trouble fitting those notes in cleanly.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on March 26, 2018, 11:14:43 AM
Here's mine. Extraordinary how difficult I find it to think and play as soon as record is pressed.

https://soundcloud.com/greg-bradfield-smith/tripping-upstairs
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Fred on March 26, 2018, 03:17:05 PM
Well played Greg. I also had the same feeling every time I pressed the red button when trying to record this tune. :)
I very much liked your second rendition of the A part, with the variation on the chords.

Slight idea for improvement would be to change the chord you play on the first and third bar bars 1,2,5 and 6 of the B part. It seems like you are playing a DG melodeon , so I would recommend to maybe try out a B chord at that place (or maybe you don't have such a chord?).
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on March 26, 2018, 03:34:10 PM
Thanks.
I play a D chord with a B bass on those bars. It gives a Bm7 chord. I found myself preferring more D chord and less of the B  bass (:)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Jesse Smith on March 28, 2018, 06:23:14 AM
I'm planning on getting a recording made in the last days of March. This tune has really been a stretch for me... I had to jump forward about 15 tunes in the Mally beginner book. It's coming together better than I ever expected at the start of the month, but still needs polishing.

The big issue I am having is that this tune really wants to be played at a real lick, no matter how slow and stately I try to practice it. It's like a running dog pulling its master by the leash. It takes a real effort to keep it at a reasonable "practice tempo". I guess some tunes just naturally prefer to be played fast.

And the other problem is that it really tests my air button control, which is not really up to the task yet.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Malcolm on March 28, 2018, 07:16:37 AM
I know what you mean. My fiddle playing sister used to use it for the rapper team she used to play for which it fitted perfectly but stick with it as it is a tasty tune. Keeping the notes nice and crisp and clipped might help a little on the air button front too. Good luck with it.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on March 28, 2018, 11:11:19 AM

The big issue I am having is that this tune really wants to be played at a real lick, no matter how slow and stately I try to practice it. It's like a running dog pulling its master by the leash. It takes a real effort to keep it at a reasonable "practice tempo". I guess some tunes just naturally prefer to be played fast.

And the other problem is that it really tests my air button control, which is not really up to the task yet.

While few here will argue with the benefits of slow practice, it is not the only way to practice. There are drawbacks to too much slow practice, as you are finding. One being that you are only practicing the tune played slowly. When you come up to tempo everything will feel different. Maybe you have reached the point where playing through at tempo and working through sticky bits slowly will be of benefit.

With the air button control, it helps to make the extra bellows extensions happen in the natural direction, where you can. I wanted to go D(maj) G(maj), rather than D(maj) Em in the first bar. I found I was running a bit short of air, because it meant staying on the push to get the D and G chords, together with what came after. I tried something I had not thought of before, which seems incredibly obvious in hindsight. I played the whole of the first bar on the G row, using pull D chord push G chord. Then switched to the D row for the second bar. Worked a treat.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: george garside on March 28, 2018, 12:51:50 PM
tripping up the stairs can be played with  a nice 'bouncy' English ceilidh type of rhythm  entirely on the D row  and instead of crossing the rows  use the pull E bass (not chord) to give a bit of variation here and there. As  a dance tune  the bass needs to be crisp to give the required lift  and rhythm is more important than perfect bass harmony.

played in this way  the bellows  can remain in the range of 4 to 6 inches open with hardly any use of the air button  even when using 3 voice treble. Keeping the bellows 'tight' makes it easier to highlight individual notes by  changing their volume as a further addition to the all important rhythm and lift!

others may disagree!

georg ;)e
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Stiamh on March 28, 2018, 01:38:02 PM
The big issue I am having is that this tune really wants to be played at a real lick, no matter how slow and stately I try to practice it. It's like a running dog pulling its master by the leash. It takes a real effort to keep it at a reasonable "practice tempo". I guess some tunes just naturally prefer to be played fast.

One thing that might help you with this is focusing on what you might call the "internal rhythm" of the tune. To make the tune sound like a jig, you can't play all the notes in a bar or in a group of three 8th notes/quavers the same way. If you do, the tune is a) likely to sound like a load of nonsense b) run away with you.

Jigs - at least the way they are supposed to be played in the Irish tradition, and no doubt Scottish and English as well - are actually trickier to master than people realize, because the internal rhythm needs to be brought out. Different instruments have different mechanics, meaning that the internal rhythm to be handled in a different way. On fiddle, for example, it is much easier to adjust the length of individual notes in a group of three than it is on the box, I think anyway.

But you want to aim for the first note to be the longest, the second to be the shortest, and the third to be in between the two. (This is not the same as dotting the first note and halving the second one, btw.) It's tricky. You can lean into the first note a little bit, but not too much. Some people recommend leaning on the third but be careful with this too. You can easily make the tune sound silly emphasising either the first or the third too much. I'd suggest instead concentrating on giving the first a tiny swell and making the second note light and unobtrusive - but still there. And the third note will take care of itself (hopefully).

This kind of thing is why people sometimes say it's harder to play a dance tune well slowly than to play it fast. I don't agree - people don't realize that if it sounds like rubbish played slowly, it almost certainly sounds like rubbish when played fast. I would say however that if you can state the internal rhythm in a satisfactory way, playing a tune slowly will be easy - and strangely satisfying.  :|glug

Edited to add a missing word.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: george garside on March 28, 2018, 04:22:39 PM
seconded!
g
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Jesse Smith on March 28, 2018, 05:16:52 PM
Maybe you have reached the point where playing through at tempo and working through sticky bits slowly will be of benefit.
Yes, that's more or less the situation. I can play at the tempo it seems to like but not necessarily get through it reliably without a showstopper mistake. But if I start the tune at a more stately pace where I feel comfortable then by the end of the B part I'm zipping along again. IMO this is something I need to work on because being able to hold a steady tempo without racing is really important, at any tempo.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on March 28, 2018, 06:33:36 PM
I am a bit disappointed not to see contributions here from irish chromatic players-and the fast tune theme, come to that. I would have thought it a good opportunity for them.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: boxcall on March 28, 2018, 09:40:56 PM
I contributed,  I play a D/C# but played it on my one row.

Unless you were playing on B/C ( I think)  most other Irish players would play it up and down the row.

I wouldn't say I played it fast, as I just started learning it.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on March 29, 2018, 12:48:06 AM
Very nice it was, too. I should have said "in an Irish style on a chromatic instrument." I think this tune and the theme for this month really lend themselves to that. I love this tune played "English" (thanks to Anahata  and others for highlighting Tony Halls rendition) I also love the Irish up tempo approach. I can't find a melodeon version but there are plenty on PAs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJXOooYa1J8
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Jesse Smith on March 29, 2018, 03:29:45 PM
Well, it is just about the end of the month so here is my contribution.

https://youtu.be/6W_Dwuns4Ac

I will probably revisit this one someday, as I wanted to go three times through and add the alternate A part as played by Tony Hall (and Sandy Shallis), but I'm just not fluent enough yet for that to be a realistic possibility in front of the camera. Still, I am pleased to have learned this tune in a month. As I said, I had to jump 15 tunes ahead in the Mally book for this, so it was somewhat optimistic to attempt it at this point.

Now back to "Bonny Green Garters", I guess...!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: george garside on March 29, 2018, 05:02:41 PM
just come across  an interesting version of tripping up stairs complete with dancers  .try 'youtube tripping upstairs Franz Fuchs.'

george
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Malcolm on March 29, 2018, 05:11:19 PM
Excellent. It's not just me that speeds up........
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Fred on March 30, 2018, 02:34:49 AM
just come across  an interesting version of tripping up stairs complete with dancers  .try 'youtube tripping upstairs Franz Fuchs.'

george

For the lazy people like me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuvYO3DIuEc

:)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: george garside on March 30, 2018, 10:24:24 AM
there is also a utube of  'familein walzen Franz Fuchs' which shows the box being used which I think  may be a 4 row continental with bass fog horns1

george
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: TomBom on March 30, 2018, 11:16:26 AM
George it's a Steirische.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Gena Crisman on March 31, 2018, 07:33:01 PM
Eyes were slightly larger than my stomach on this one:

NB: it may be a little loud; it's normalised but that might make it louder than it ought to be, as I was playing fairly quietly at home.
Performance: https://soundcloud.com/user-889775496/tripping-upstairs-variations (https://soundcloud.com/user-889775496/tripping-upstairs-variations) - if this link dies far in the future it will likely be moved to my youtube account (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOmvom6nrOvY6eLok8I56GA)

Sheet music: (http://i.imgur.com/lrirnpPm.png) (https://imgur.com/lrirnpP)

ABC:
Code: [Select]
X:1
T:Tripping Upstairs w/Variations
S:Trad
M:6/8
P:ABCDAEF
K:D
P:A (normal A music) (Play arpeggios with block chords for variation)
|:"D"FAd "G"GBd|"D"FAd fed|"A"cBc ABc|"D"dfe dcB|
"D"FAd "G"GBd|"D"FAd fed|"A"cBc ABc|"D"dfe d3:|
P:B (normal B music)
|:"Bm"dBB fBB|dBd fed|"A"cAA eAA|cBc edc|
"Bm"dBB fBB|dBd fed|"A"cBc ABc|"D"dfe d3:|
P:C (alternative A music, from perhaps Tony Hall)
|:"D"afd "G" bgd| "D" afd dcd | "A" e2e ede | "D" fag f2a |
"D"afd "G" bgd| "D" afd dcd | "A" e2e eBc |1 "D"dfe dfg:|2"D"dfe d3||
P:D (alternative B music by Gena)
|:"Bm"dBB fBB|dBd fed|"A"cAA eAA|cAc fed|
|1"G"BGG dGG|BGB dcB|"F#m"AFF cFF|"A"A3 ABc:|
|2"G"GDG BGB |dBd gdB|"A"cBc ABc|"D"dfe d3||
P:E (slightly different B by Gena)
|:"Bm"dBB fBB|dBd fgf|"A"eAA cAA|cAc efe|
"Bm"dBB fBB|dBd fgf|"Em"ecB "A"ABc|"D"dfe d3:|
P:F (final A music by Gena)
|:"D"d'af "G"d'bg|"D"d'af fef|"A"g2g gag|"D"f2g a3|
"D"d'af "G"d'bg|"D"d'af fef|1"A"g2g gfe|"D"d3-d2 d':|2"A"aa/a/a abc'|"D" "_Big finish!" d'af dAF|D3-D3||

It's perfectly possible I've cribbed elements of this from performances here in thread, so if I've put 'by Gena' next to something you came up with, I do apologise - just trying to distinguish stuff.

Anyway, happy to be shot of the whole recording part of this because the more creative alternative B is uh, I can't really play it very well at all, and listening back to repeated attempts and failing is a bit demoralising - the recording above is assembled from a few different takes. I played on an 8 bass DB Black Pearl 2, and the F#m chord in Alt B 1 is assembled with the Pull D and Pull A chord played together (giving F#, A, C# D E - F#m7 with a rogue D), with the pull F# on the inside row played with it - it works well enough here but a proper F# bass would work better, or perhaps an LMM 3 voice could swing this more successfully.

Anyway, I really like this tune and enjoyed coming up with alternatives, even if they aren't necessarily good or take too many liberties, but I present them here for you all none the less, cheers!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: boxcall on March 31, 2018, 08:28:38 PM
Nicely played Gena,
There are lots of variations available, I like your normal A part beginning.
It's different from what I have been doing which is FAA GBB or FAA GBG and I also picked up from the recordings here F2A G2B.
I'll have to learn some of ther other variations like the C part (tony hall) you posted.
I've heard it in other recordings but have not try it yet.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Anahata on March 31, 2018, 09:17:20 PM
Eyes were slightly larger than my stomach on this one

Well, you learn more by setting yourself a challenge...
Well played, and I like those variations and the ending!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for March 2018: Tripping Upstairs
Post by: Clive Williams on April 01, 2018, 05:40:24 AM
Thanks all - end of the month, and on to the next tune! Stick late contribs on the end here as ever...