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Title: Briggs on eBay
Post by: Rees on March 10, 2018, 05:34:13 PM
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/B-C-Briggs-Button-Accordion-with-spare-A-Bb-reed-blocks-/192472118841?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=DHCjVtvXBfwGHynCuL%252BQVu4nQTQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/B-C-Briggs-Button-Accordion-with-spare-A-Bb-reed-blocks-/192472118841?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=DHCjVtvXBfwGHynCuL%252BQVu4nQTQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc)

Did you see this? A secondhand Briggs 2 row B/C box just sold for £11387 english money!
Luckily for the buyer the postage was only £5.89.
Title: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: mory on March 10, 2018, 05:38:43 PM
Little bit of a 3 way bidding war going on there  :||: :||: :||:
Title: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: Winston Smith on March 10, 2018, 05:46:21 PM
It begs the question about how much a new replacement would be, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: Steve_freereeder on March 10, 2018, 06:47:41 PM
Personally, I think some people have more money than sense.
Briggs instruments are undoubtedly superbly built boxes, but are they worth that sort of premium price?
At the end of the day you strap it to your chest, waggle the bellows, poke about a bit with your fingers and a nice sound comes out. There are plenty of boxes which could do just the same, cost under half that price, and no-one listening would be any the wiser.
Title: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: triskel on March 10, 2018, 06:59:15 PM
Where there's a long wait for a new one to be made, people will pay over the odds to get one now... ::)
Title: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: gettabettabox on March 10, 2018, 07:29:34 PM
Would it have cardboard bellows?  (:)
Title: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: boxer on March 10, 2018, 07:56:21 PM
yes, but very good cardboard......
Title: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: gettabettabox on March 10, 2018, 08:26:26 PM
Good to know...Money is made of paper anyway?!
Title: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: GPS on March 10, 2018, 08:49:28 PM
For that money (if I had it!) I could buy over 100 of my usual range of boxes....... :D :|glug
Title: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: Rob2Hook on March 10, 2018, 08:50:54 PM
Not much of it anymore!

Rob.
Title: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on March 10, 2018, 09:25:26 PM
Good to know...Money is made of paper anyway?!

Seems more like plastic rubbish, these days. Hope they never make bellows out of it.
Title: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: rileycat on March 11, 2018, 12:22:12 AM
And there was me thinking Dipper anglos were a bit pricey, gulp!!!  Would you dare take it to the local session when the beer flows free -'Oops, sorry mate, shall I get a bar cloth or summat?!'
Title: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: boxcall on March 11, 2018, 12:45:56 AM
Must be because it was or is owned by one of those MAD melnet. Members ;)

Tag on the back looks like it was or is a Luke Daniels box, if I'm reading it correctly.

Wonder how much you could get for the spare reed block with it own carry case? does it come with a pair of pin pullers? (hang on a second I've got to change reeds) :D

What keys would the A/Bb blocks be good for? I think I got that C/C# is good for flat keys (Eb I think)
I'm I right in thinking that would be C. If so why not just play it on the row. There's probably more to it.

Edit to add: I like the bellows clasp, nice touch!
Title: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on March 11, 2018, 08:53:13 AM
I remember looking at his website a while back, curious as to who or what this fabled person was and what he made. I remember thinking it was lovely stuff.
I think the last lot of Kay Albrecht's 2 row boxes to my mind had a similarly looking grill and furniture, again beautifully made.
It's the old story, why buy a Rolls Royce when Ford Kaa will do the same job?
.....but at that price you could have bought a Rolls Royce!
Q
Title: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on March 11, 2018, 09:00:00 AM
Seeing as he's Manchester based, has he ever made a DG for the English market?
And has anyone tried these fabled beasts?
Q
Title: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: Julian S on March 11, 2018, 12:38:46 PM
I am sure that they are wonderful instruments. However, I would still like to have a test drive before spending that kind of money - not that I could afford it short of a Lottery win ! (Or a rich benefactor... ::))

J
Title: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on March 11, 2018, 01:20:22 PM
I've never even seen one in a session!
I suppose that's not surprising as I only frequent English sessions at festivals, not Irish ones.
It seems to be a very niche box for the severing Irish player.
Q
Title: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: melodeon on March 12, 2018, 05:11:19 AM
2  reeds.. yes folks, 2 reeds.
Title: Re: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: Cooper on March 12, 2018, 09:31:58 AM
I doubt it could be worth it,...but i cannot say as i have not tried one yet. Would love to at some point :-)
W
Title: Re: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on March 12, 2018, 12:00:48 PM
It begs the question about how much a new replacement would be, doesn't it?

Considerably less than £10k
http://www.briggsaccordions.com/prices.html
Title: Re: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: triskel on March 12, 2018, 12:28:14 PM
Yes, somebody's paid a huge premium to get it now... ::)

Edited to add:

And set a new record price for any B/C accordion, more than even the very holiest of holy greys! :o

Whilst, as Melodeon commented, it has "2  reeds.. yes folks, 2 reeds" - even if they are absolutely top-quality "A Mano (hand-made) blue edge nostrino reeds by Italian reed makers ‘Antonelli’. (http://www.briggsaccordions.com/description.html)"... :-\

Title: Re: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on March 12, 2018, 12:58:25 PM
I wonder how long his waiting list is...
Q
Title: Re: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on March 12, 2018, 01:24:55 PM
I wonder how long his waiting list is...
Q

There is a suggestion that he has been known to never get round to actually delivering commissions


"A deposit is payable of £1,000 in the form of a sterling bank draft when I accept an order. In exceptionable circumstances this may be returnable - for example if I take way over the time I initially promised to complete an instrument and you get fed up of waiting!"

Title: Re: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: Gromit on March 12, 2018, 01:43:40 PM
I'd heard rumours that he had stopped making but not sure that it's true. Interesting read on his background and he lists them in D/G.
Title: Re: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: Cooper on March 12, 2018, 03:17:12 PM
Yes, somebody's paid a huge premium to get it now... ::)

Might be a business opportunity. Just order one now for 6k, and sell it for 11k when it is ready :-)
W
Title: Re: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: melodeon on March 12, 2018, 03:38:01 PM
Presuming it is delivered in your lifetime: )

I can make more money flipping HOHNERS. !
Title: Re: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: Winston Smith on March 12, 2018, 03:39:54 PM
That's maybe not such a daft suggestion. I knew a bloke who did it for quite some time with Morgan sports cars; he made a better living than me!
Title: Re: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: Stockaryd on March 12, 2018, 05:52:00 PM

I am so impressed of the box, - the box is in.
Title: Re: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: triskel on March 12, 2018, 07:18:40 PM
That's maybe not such a daft suggestion. I knew a bloke who did it for quite some time with Morgan sports cars; he made a better living than me!

I'd been thinking of quoting Morgan as an example of such "market forces" at play, and other small-production exotic cars.
Title: Re: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: KLR on March 12, 2018, 10:14:34 PM
Johnny B Connolly's Briggs has 5 different reed blocks, including the B/C he usually uses - the free reed equivalent of having one of each pitch of Generation tin whistle, except it cost about $9k USD more...
Title: Re: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: Pearse Rossa on March 13, 2018, 12:15:50 AM
Yes, somebody's paid a huge premium to get it now... ::)

Edited to add:

And set a new record price for any B/C accordion, more than even the very holiest of holy greys! :o

Not sure about that...the price paid for this Briggs is approx. €12833, and as far as I know, that is slightly less
than the price paid for a 1940s Paolo Soprani a few years back.
Title: Re: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: triskel on March 13, 2018, 12:33:35 AM
Yes, somebody's ... set a new record price for any B/C accordion, more than even the very holiest of holy greys! :o

Not sure about that...the price paid for this Briggs is approx. €12833, and as far as I know, that is slightly less
than the price paid for a 1940s Paolo Soprani a few years back.

I know somebody (in Spiddal ;)), who paid €11,000.00 for one (and I know the man who sold it to him), but I never heard of anybody pay more.

But some people have no value on money...  ???

Edited to add missing zero  ::)
Title: Re: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: Stiamh on March 13, 2018, 12:42:57 AM
Might be a business opportunity. Just order one now for 6k, and sell it for 11k when it is ready :-)

I've heard of people doing just that in the trad world with instruments from other makers who have long waiting lists, e.g. with Irish flutes made by Patrick Olwell, for example. Think how the maker must feel when that happens.

I have an old friend who is a well-respected uilleann pipemaker. He had a waiting list of 14 years at last count - it's probably closed now because he's close to retirement. A few years ago somebody for whom he had made a set early in his pipemaking career (before he was famous) sold it for many times the original price. He told me he contacted the seller and suggested that he (the seller) ought to give him (the maker) a share of the profit. Apparently the man agreed!
Title: Re: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: Pearse Rossa on March 13, 2018, 01:22:18 AM
Yes, somebody's ... set a new record price for any B/C accordion, more than even the very holiest of holy greys! :o

Not sure about that...the price paid for this Briggs is approx. €12833, and as far as I know, that is slightly less
than the price paid for a 1940s Paolo Soprani a few years back.

I know somebody (in Spiddal ;)), who paid €1,100.00 for one (and I know the man who sold it to him), but I never heard of anybody pay more.

Surely, that can't be right...€1,100? More like 12 times that amount!
Title: Re: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: triskel on March 13, 2018, 02:43:02 AM
Sorry, I was under pressure from a hot bath running when I typed that, and I've been laying there thinking "did I leave a zero out?" in the meantime - and I did. Mea culpa! :|bl

Obviously that should read €11,000.00. ::) (And I heard it "from the horse's mouth"!)

Anyway, I'll correct it in my original post to try and avoid confusing people...
Title: Re: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: Pearse Rossa on March 13, 2018, 03:10:04 AM
Obviously that should read €11,000.00. ::) (And I heard it "from the horse's mouth"!)

On mature recollection, yes you're right. For some reason I had a figure of €13,000 in my head.
11K might be the most paid for a B/C, but higher prices have been paid for D/D# Paolos!
Title: Re: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: triskel on March 13, 2018, 04:17:39 AM
On mature recollection ...

Good old Brian Lenihan... ;)

Quote
... higher prices have been paid for D/D# Paolos!

For a very, very special one anyway!

(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/StephenChambers/Accordions/tulla_1955.jpg)


And there wasn't even much left that was original from that 1947-photo grey box (the reeds are said to have been ruined by a French accordion builder along the way, and it had the bass end of a different old grey on it), which Joe Cooley had sold to (fellow Tulla Céilí Band box player) Joe Mac before leaving for America in 1953, and got borrowed many years later...  :(

A tale I won't go into here! ::)

(I'd rather remain on friendly terms with all concerned.)
Title: Re: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: Gromit on March 13, 2018, 10:58:48 AM
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He had a waiting list of 14 years at last count

Like Chris Wilkes (a top maker of pipes and flutes) - I bought one of his keyed flutes back in 1990, 3 years ago a similar s/hand model sold for 7 times the price that I paid.
Title: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: Theo on March 14, 2018, 05:02:52 PM
[[ADMIN]]

OK clever clogs, I have spent some time filleting out the private panel game parasitising this topic. You know who you are.  If you want to have a private word game please do it somewhere else.  Eggheads (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006z736) may be looking for new challengers.

Now open for discussion again

Theo
Title: Re: Briggs on eBay
Post by: mory on March 14, 2018, 06:19:15 PM
Thanks Theo