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Title: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: John MacKenzie (Cugiok) on March 11, 2018, 03:41:06 PM
OK folks, can I get some hints as to how I go about this task, please?

SJ
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: boxcall on March 11, 2018, 04:52:10 PM
On my recording king I glue some small bits of chamois material over the pins holes from the inside, it worked wonders on tightening things up.
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: Theo on March 11, 2018, 04:57:37 PM
Yes, thin soft leather glued from inside. Chamois is suitably soft, but can be porous so there are better materials. The leather diamonds sold by Charlie would be better, but will need to be cut to size.
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: John MacKenzie (Cugiok) on March 11, 2018, 04:59:06 PM
Thanks Theo, that's exactly what I wanted to do. Glued with what adhesive?

SJ
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: Lester on March 11, 2018, 05:09:57 PM
I use this Leather Glue (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tandy-Leather-Factory-Eco-Flo-Multi-Colour/dp/B003W0GFTU/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1520788082&sr=8-13&keywords=Leather+glue)
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: Theo on March 11, 2018, 05:35:33 PM
I use the same glue, though my aversion to Amazon means I get it locally from the excellent Le Prevo leather in Newcastle who can supply just about anything for leather work. http://www.leprevo.co.uk/photos/leathercraft-cement.htm
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: Mike Hirst on March 11, 2018, 06:46:23 PM
My mother has a 'make do and mend' needlework volume. The 'underwear' section contains instructions for 'darning your gusset'. Is this appropriate?
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: John MacKenzie (Cugiok) on March 11, 2018, 07:06:06 PM
Fits in well with the reaction I got chez nous, when I said I had a leaky gusset.

SJ
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: Stockaryd on March 11, 2018, 07:25:39 PM
Sorry,  what's gusset? 

Soft material in the bellow corners? ? ?    Or what?
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: boxcall on March 11, 2018, 07:44:19 PM
Yes diamond shaped area between card board openings in bellows corners, also apparently a portion of underwear where leaks may occur.
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: Stockaryd on March 11, 2018, 08:12:28 PM
On my recording king I glue some small bits of chamois material over the pins holes from the inside, it worked wonders on tightening things up.

What caused me to ask was . . . . .  pin holes from the inside . . .    ? 
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: boxcall on March 11, 2018, 08:25:20 PM
Well the pin holes went right though and I repaired them from the inside.

(Pin holes weren't made by pins (:)) they were just there when I got the box and probably due to wear.


Yes, thin soft leather glued from inside. Chamois is suitably soft, but can be porous so there are better materials. The leather diamonds sold by Charlie would be better, but will need to be cut to size.
I just happen to have some so I used it and figure the glue would provide a seal to the porous material.
Probably a bit of  corner cutting (pun intended) on my part and I should have got the right stuff.
It seems to have done the trick, I guess time will tell if it last.
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: John MacKenzie (Cugiok) on March 26, 2018, 07:44:26 PM
Right I'm doing the glue in leather diamonds to the inside game. I'm also glueing little diamonds on the outside, cut to the same shape as the leather showing at the corner.. I have found that  one of the large pieces supplied by CGM makes 4 pieces for the inside, and one of those makes 4 wee diamonds that fit the gap on the outside.
What a fiddly blinking job it is!

Sir John
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: Helena Handcart on March 26, 2018, 09:14:03 PM
Only on a melodeon forum would a topic entitled 'Replacing leaky gussets' be deemed SFW  ::)
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: John MacKenzie (Cugiok) on March 26, 2018, 09:47:52 PM
Recently we've also had, fingering, and at the moment we have, playing with friends, but to the pure of mind all things are pure.


SJ  >:E
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: Winston Smith on March 27, 2018, 08:06:47 AM
What's SFW please?
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: Anahata on March 27, 2018, 08:14:26 AM
'Safe for Work'
More often found in its inverse abbreviation, as in 'Warning: NSFW', implying you wouldn't want it on your screen when your colleagues/boss walked past...
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: Winston Smith on March 27, 2018, 08:28:22 AM
Thanks Anahata, that would be a completely foreign situation for the likes of me! I suppose many groups use abbreviations which are specific to themselves.
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: John MacKenzie (Cugiok) on March 27, 2018, 10:00:03 AM
Like MAD you mean Edward?

SJ
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: Winston Smith on March 27, 2018, 10:19:10 AM
Exactly, Sir John.
But it's good you can come here for therapy, we're all in the same boat, after all. More tea, anyone?
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: Rog on March 27, 2018, 05:48:24 PM
Sorry,  what's gusset? 

Soft material in the bellow corners? ? ?    Or what?

The word 'gusset' in UK English at least is considered funny by some. It sounds rude but isn't actually rude. After a bit of 'research' on Google I found other similar words that raise a smile - if you are a Brit and have a slightly dirty sense of humour. Examples of other innocent but rude sounding words are 'flange', 'penal' and, perhaps, 'poop deck'. Many of us (me included) will have been grinning widely every time somebody writes the word 'gusset'. If anyone wants to add to my erudite explanation, please feel free. (:). (Nick CB...where are you).
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: malcolmbebb on March 27, 2018, 06:18:43 PM
In particular, pants/trousers have a gusset in the crutch area, as does underwear, more notably mentioned with regard to female underwear (maybe it's just the company I keep).
That should narrow down the area of research.
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: boxcall on March 27, 2018, 08:19:23 PM
Also a term use in house construction for a member of wood or metal that holds two other pieces together.
So like in a roof truss where pieces are not nailed together but rather held together by a metal gusset plate. These are usually stamped or punched into the wood so that little tabs of metal dig in to the wood, surprisingly strong.
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: Rog on March 27, 2018, 08:38:34 PM
'Truss' is also a word that has comic uses.
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: Chris Rayner on March 28, 2018, 10:58:21 AM
Also support.  As in: Thank you for your support, I shall always wear it.
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: John MacKenzie (Cugiok) on March 28, 2018, 11:36:08 AM
To get back to the original topic. I am wondering if Hohner ever used other fabric for this purpose? When I look at the existing gussets on the bellows, they are shiny black on the surface, but underneath, and looking at them from the inside, they are a sort of fluffy white material. Photo attached hopefully.

SJ
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: Chris Rayner on March 28, 2018, 12:57:01 PM
From a position of unassailable ignorance it looks to me like oil cloth, aka American cloth.  Whatever it is it looks completely perished.
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: Theo on March 28, 2018, 02:36:05 PM
The ones I’ve seen like that were white leather with a black surface.
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: John MacKenzie (Cugiok) on March 28, 2018, 02:44:07 PM
Thanks Theo, I did wonder, but it doesn't look very leathery now.

SJ
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: Theo on March 28, 2018, 02:45:36 PM
Old leather can do that.
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: John MacKenzie (Cugiok) on March 28, 2018, 03:03:26 PM
It looks like I'm going to have to junk these belows, it's like Whack-a-Mole. Repair one, and another one goes. The leather is sort dry and crumbly,  with cracks everywhere.. I suppose I could try stripping them down completely, and renewing all the leather, but that would mean removing and then replacing all the corners too. Time to look for a new set methinks.

SJ
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: tirpous on March 28, 2018, 04:22:12 PM
Assuming there are only 1 or 2 gussets in need of replacement, is there a way to remove the old ones with minimal damage to bellows tape, paper and cardboard ??
Title: Re: Replacing leaky gussets
Post by: John MacKenzie (Cugiok) on March 28, 2018, 04:28:35 PM
You can cut the old one out, but to get rid of it completely you would need to remove the metal corners, which trap the corner of the gusset. Then when you have done that you need to repair/replace the bellows papers, which cover the opposite corners of the gusset.


SJ
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