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Title: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Clive Williams on April 01, 2018, 05:39:48 AM
Hi all - this month's winner, this toon by Toon (sorry!) from Naragonia:

Les Deux Freres - there are quite a few videos of this tune now video'ed nice and close up, including this version designed for 2 row melodeon by Naragonia itself (it's in their tune book!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-Qxfc45BkU and this one from Mr Ellison https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB0R8tX9Mgc

It fits surprisingly well on a 2 row I think.

Cheers,

Clive
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on April 01, 2018, 11:04:09 AM
http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php?topic=13562.0

Q's thread on this is well worth a gander. It's a mine of information.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on April 01, 2018, 04:22:14 PM
Thanks for the reminder Greg, embarrassingly I'd forgotten that thread...........   ::)
Q busily re-reading....
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Fred on April 02, 2018, 12:31:04 AM
Oh I'm very happy this song has won the poll. I'm excited to listen to all of your renditions.

Hoping to get around to record it tomorrow. (:)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Helena on April 02, 2018, 08:54:08 AM
I'm really pleased this won too and I am planning to learn and record it.  I'm in Belgium with North British just now and had a quick play with it but with no dots. It fits nicely on a D/G I think but I have yet to think too hard about chords.  In the meantime does anyone have and to share?
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Nigel on April 02, 2018, 02:43:10 PM
In the meantime does anyone have and to share?
Hi Helena.
You must have missed this link to a previous topic. http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php/topic,13562.0.html
Pete Dunk included this ABC in G obtained straight from Toon.
X:54
T:Les deux frères (G)
T:GAVOTTE DE 'L AVEN 3
C:Toon Van Mierlo
M:4/4
L:1/8
Q:1/4=70
K:G
V:1
|:zd d/2e/2f gBAB|cBGE B/2c/2A A/2B/2c/2e/2|
zd d/2e/2f gBAB|BccB G2- GG:|
|:z b b/2a/2g fedA|.B2 z c cBGE|
z E A/2B/2c/2e/2 .d3 c|cBAG G2- G- G:|
V:2
|:zd/2B/2 de dBde|GEB,C DEFG|
zd/2B/2 de dBde|GEFG GA B2:|
|:zb za zg fe|.d2 ze edBG|
zc ce .B3 e|edcB B4:|
Mel has this video and I also think that Paul Young and Ollie have made videos.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILysAQlx-04
I have the dots, including basses and tablature, in Naragonia tunebooks but these are for a GC box. 
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Fred on April 02, 2018, 03:06:59 PM
And here it comes: https://soundcloud.com/laubblaeser/les-deux-freres-take-1

Tune is in G and as always it has been played on my Loffet D/G which I'm still very very happy with (although it has a pretty weird keyboard layout on some buttons but I got used to it).

It's far from perfect but that's where I currently stand with the tune. Been playing it for 2 months or so already, so it's kind of cheating to post it on the second day of April for TotM. Still, maybe it's helpful for others to listen to my rendition and get a few ideas about which mistakes not to make, which basses to choose or other kinds of inspiration. Have fun listening! (:)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Julian S on April 02, 2018, 03:49:41 PM
What a good tune ! I'm hoping that Naragonia tunebooks will be available at the Blowza weekend at Halsway (they are guesting - should be great...)
Dots will be helpful but I suspect this tune will become a long standing work in progress...

J


Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on April 02, 2018, 06:55:22 PM
Ollie's video,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAGJIAz3eqU

and the thread it came from

http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php?topic=14972.0
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Saul Bailey on April 02, 2018, 08:34:39 PM
After about 40 attempts to upload, here we are :)

https://youtu.be/voQKpWSttH8

Saul
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Roland Carson on April 02, 2018, 10:07:37 PM
Saul....what you do here does it for me ...well played !!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Fred on April 02, 2018, 11:26:18 PM
Wow, Saul! That's just lovely. I really dig the bass work you did on this piece.
Now I should get back to work and learn how you did it. (:)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Steve_freereeder on April 02, 2018, 11:32:40 PM
After about 40 attempts to upload, here we are :)

https://youtu.be/voQKpWSttH8

That was really lovely!  (:) :|glug
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: robotmay on April 03, 2018, 05:37:55 PM
Bit of an old recording from me but I might get a chance to do a new one sometime this month: https://soundcloud.com/robotmay/les-deux-freres. I'm not sure why but this tune has taken on a rather odd characteristic in sessions I've been to, where it's played with a very sudden, forceful pause in the B music. The original is much softer, so it's nice to see recordings here going for that style!

I did learn it in Bb at some point, I should probably try that again and record it like that; the playing style it requires does make it sound more like Toon's playing ;D
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Chris Ryall on April 04, 2018, 11:36:33 AM
Bit of an old recording from me but I might get a chance to do a new one sometime this month: https://soundcloud.com/robotmay/les-deux-freres. I'm not sure why but this tune has taken on a rather odd characteristic in sessions I've been to, where it's played with a very sudden, forceful pause in the B music. The original is much softer, so it's nice to see recordings here going for that style!

There are Trois frères, now  ;)   It is a gavotte de l'Aven, or more properly the fluid part of a much larger dance style 'suite Gavotte'.  The simplified, dreamy version in danced in lines of 4 people, and is known as gavotte de l'Aven "caresse" in many dance circles, notably Rhone-Alpes people. I have also heard it called Gavotte de l'Aven "intime".  I understand that the Bretons do not entirely approve … but it is quite, utterly, lovely to dance  (:)

The length of that pause matters. It should be just long enough for the dancer to swing the right leg from in front … to behind the body.

"En place"!   https://youtu.be/qFbyOqFIzKk
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Andy Next Tune on April 04, 2018, 03:54:21 PM
The length of that pause matters. It should be just long enough for the dancer to swing the right leg from in front … to behind the body.

"En place"!   https://youtu.be/qFbyOqFIzKk

Thanks Chris, that video of Naragonia playing for the dance really puts the tune in context.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: robotmay on April 06, 2018, 01:48:42 PM
Here's a quick (in many ways!) version in Bb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpcAuJruLIY
The bellows on this box are a bit stiff (doesn't get played as often as my others) so it's pretty tricky to play long slow bars in a single direction, hence the slightly rapide performance. It's also drifting out of tune a bit, which is pretty noticeable in a bandoneon-tuned box ::)

If you're curious about the layout (attached), it's a slightly adapted Pariselle G/C layout. I swapped the top 4 basses around to make playing in Bb easier. The top G reversal (on the last button of the G row) is immensely useful.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: folkbluesnbeyond on April 08, 2018, 01:22:24 PM
I had thought to give this one a miss as significantly outside my comfort zone, but then....

Not trying to replicate the prescribed arrangement, came up with this:-

https://youtu.be/wCFBVJ7P09w

Hohner Bb/Eb & Castagnari Dony 8 D/G

All the best

Bill
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: AirTime on April 08, 2018, 05:30:37 PM
Here's a quick (in many ways!) version in Bb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpcAuJruLIY
The bellows on this box are a bit stiff (doesn't get played as often as my others) so it's pretty tricky to play long slow bars in a single direction, hence the slightly rapide performance. It's also drifting out of tune a bit, which is pretty noticeable in a bandoneon-tuned box ::)

If you're curious about the layout (attached), it's a slightly adapted Pariselle G/C layout. I swapped the top 4 basses around to make playing in Bb easier. The top G reversal (on the last button of the G row) is immensely useful.

Lovely version Robert. It sits very nicely on your box ... but very difficult to follow how you get there.   :(
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Fred on April 08, 2018, 06:12:03 PM
folkbluesnbeyond, that's really a special rendition. I like the unqiue touch you gave the song and the alterations you made to it. Well done! :)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: robotmay on April 09, 2018, 12:27:44 AM
Here's a quick (in many ways!) version in Bb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpcAuJruLIY
The bellows on this box are a bit stiff (doesn't get played as often as my others) so it's pretty tricky to play long slow bars in a single direction, hence the slightly rapide performance. It's also drifting out of tune a bit, which is pretty noticeable in a bandoneon-tuned box ::)

If you're curious about the layout (attached), it's a slightly adapted Pariselle G/C layout. I swapped the top 4 basses around to make playing in Bb easier. The top G reversal (on the last button of the G row) is immensely useful.

Lovely version Robert. It sits very nicely on your box ... but very difficult to follow how you get there.   :(

Thanks! It's not the most logical looking way to play, but it is actually quite comfortable on that layout and I think Bb might be the tone sweet-spot on a G/C instrument :D

The way I learnt to play the Naragonia Bb tunes on a G/C box is unfortunately rather boring; I sat there with my keyboard layout printed out and tried out various ways of playing the notes in their book, for rather a long time until it started making sense. I knew that Toon played a similar-ish layout, which helped. It is very different to playing in the home keys though, and it varies so much based on layout that it won't be the same from box to box (which makes it hard to do a tutorial). The best way I can describe it is that it's very diagonal, in that you play across all three rows, and that the "home direction" is on the pull rather than the push (but that depends on layout).

I think Toon's tunes are quite a lot like Andy Cutting's in a way; what seems like a really difficult tune becomes quite comfortable once you figure out how they came up with it in the first place ;D
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: WjssBremner on April 09, 2018, 06:00:03 PM
I thought I may as well give the monthly tune a go to help me get more tunes under my belt.
Sadly my laptop's microphone and camera aren't great, plus I'm not totally happy with my chord work.
There is a longer version which accidentally had an improvised sequence in the middle https://youtu.be/keeqHQ9y2bs
and then a shorter one with the basic 2 As and Bs https://youtu.be/IYIBPfcuPyw
Both are played and a Beltuna Samuel II.

Any pointers would be happily received!
Thanks
Will
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Jesse Smith on April 10, 2018, 01:46:41 PM
That's very nice, Will - and welcome to melodeon.net!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Mcgrooger on April 11, 2018, 04:12:40 PM
Trying to play this made me wish I'd voted for Tip Top Polka for TOTM! This is the best I could manage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMtUBpr2Fko
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Fred on April 11, 2018, 06:49:18 PM
Mcgrooger, I'd say you did very well. It's a bit more accentuated than most of the other interpretations of this song but I have to say I like it like this. Maybe I'll have to try and give it another spin, just because of your and folkbluesandbeyond's renditions of the song.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Helena on April 11, 2018, 07:05:11 PM
OK, so I'm going to have two goes at this. This is the first, a warts-and-all first-taker to record my progress in learning the tune. I shall polish and practice and record it again at the end of the month (by which time I may also have found out what the hell is wrong with my microphone)

Les Deus Frères (https://soundcloud.com/nellodeon/les-deux-freres) take 1.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Mcgrooger on April 11, 2018, 07:20:59 PM
Mcgrooger, I'd say you did very well. It's a bit more accentuated than most of the other interpretations of this song but I have to say I like it like this. Maybe I'll have to try and give it another spin, just because of your and folkbluesandbeyond's renditions of the song.

Thank you Fred. You're very kind.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Fred on April 11, 2018, 08:09:51 PM
OK, so I'm going to have two goes at this. This is the first, a warts-and-all first-taker to record my progress in learning the tune. I shall polish and practice and record it again at the end of the month (by which time I may also have found out what the hell is wrong with my microphone)

Les Deus Frères (https://soundcloud.com/nellodeon/les-deux-freres) take 1.

I don't actually think anything is wrong with your microphone. You might consider taking a step back from it (or rather position it a bit further away) to avoid the clipping ("scratchy noises"). I think that should be about all you'd need to do to improve the sound quality. (:) Looking forward to your later recordings.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Mcgrooger on April 11, 2018, 09:00:07 PM
Fred, I've only just caught up with your recording. Really nice! (:)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: playandteach on April 11, 2018, 10:30:18 PM
OK, so I'm going to have two goes at this. Les Deus Frères (https://soundcloud.com/nellodeon/les-deux-freres) take 1.
I think that's a great idea. I've just picked the box up again, and have always admired the tune and their playing of it. It is unlikely that I will get back to proper playing for a while, so if it's ok, I'll have a go tomorrow at the main tune only to join the throng, and see if I can get around to the second section sometime too. Well played so far.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Nigel on April 11, 2018, 10:40:07 PM
OK, so I'm going to have two goes at this. Les Deus Frères (https://soundcloud.com/nellodeon/les-deux-freres) take 1.
It is unlikely that I will get back to proper playing for a while, so if it's ok, I'll have a go tomorrow at the main tune only to join the throng...
Good stuff, Helena.
PlayandTeach. You are making comeback. That's nice. Are you still going to Hawes?
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Edward Jennings on April 11, 2018, 11:11:54 PM
Nigel, isn't it about time you surprised us with a TOTM? I know you can play well, so that wouldn't be a valid excuse!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: playandteach on April 11, 2018, 11:53:30 PM
It is unlikely that I will get back to proper playing for a while, so if it's ok, I'll have a go tomorrow at the main tune only to join the throng...
PlayandTeach. You are making comeback. That's nice. Are you still going to Hawes?
I've pulled out of Wensleydale, though I regret the need. This is early days: ears still buzzing with noise such as car journeys, classrooms etc. so I can't see this as a cure. I can hope to make progress in distraction, so I'm just feeling the water with melodeons again. Don't want to end up one sandwich short of a picnic in any interpretation of that phrase. By the way, 'Are you still going to Hawes' is not a phrase I ever want my wife to hear on any grape vine.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Lyra on April 12, 2018, 01:13:28 PM
This was the "big tune" at the Mydriase (Mill and Pig) summer school last August. There are various arrangements (in C) on their website https://www.stagemydriase.fr/photos-sons/photos-sons-stage-d-%C3%A9t%C3%A9/photos-son-2017/ (https://www.stagemydriase.fr/photos-sons/photos-sons-stage-d-%C3%A9t%C3%A9/photos-son-2017/) scroll down below the pix.
There's also a recording of the whole school doing an arrangement. If you wonder WTF about half way through - it was improv/reaction to a graphic score. You really had to be there. (And even then  :-\ )
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: playandteach on April 12, 2018, 01:22:12 PM
Here is a version of Deux Freres (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE4xZZd60lQ&feature=youtu.be)
3rd time through is just chords, no basses. I had intended to use cross chording but lost my nerve with the red light on.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Nigel on April 12, 2018, 02:03:42 PM
Here is a version of Deux Freres (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE4xZZd60lQ&feature=youtu.be)
3rd time through is just chords, no basses. I had intended to use cross chording but lost my nerve with the red light on.
Lost your nerve? It showed bags of confidence - it's still there! Sad that you're not going to Hawes!
In answer to Edward's dig, watch TOTM (Rue des Pres) very soon. 
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Edward Jennings on April 12, 2018, 04:24:27 PM
With bated breath, Nigel! It wasn't a dig, by the way, it's just that we shouldn't be relying on poor old Pete to hold up the NE's end. And, I cannot think of anyone else I know to take up the baton while he's out of action.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Ellisteph on April 13, 2018, 11:49:16 AM
Usually play this in G but in light of recent events thought I'd play in F on my lovely Loffet C/F Pro.
https://youtu.be/s3yIdtghSb8
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Roland Carson on April 16, 2018, 11:44:54 AM
Here's a recording we made a little while ago played on G/C melodeons:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dztbaPsU2A

Roland
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Thoon on April 16, 2018, 01:04:02 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj43VfIPcxM

Cheers!

Thomas
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: playandteach on April 16, 2018, 06:33:21 PM
Stunning. Thanks.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: robotmay on April 16, 2018, 09:43:10 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj43VfIPcxM

Cheers!

Thomas

Ooh, I didn't know you had started posting here, Thomas. Always a treat to hear you play!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Thoon on April 17, 2018, 11:29:07 PM
Thank you both!

Hello Rob!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: arty on April 22, 2018, 01:26:54 PM
So glad this won Tune of the Month - I have learnt so much from this, particularly the basses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkm5iJ1pltk&t=10s
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Clive Williams on April 22, 2018, 10:00:42 PM
Thanks all for the great contribs so far; here's my version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkWFvzLnc6w

Played "Vivant style", which effectively means playing it on the semi-unisonoric basses Mory, and holding down the G chords as a drone rather a lot.

Cheers,

Clive
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: playandteach on April 22, 2018, 10:10:02 PM
Good to hear the different approaches. I now think mine was a bit lively.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Pete Dunk on April 24, 2018, 01:34:31 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj43VfIPcxM (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj43VfIPcxM)

Cheers!

Thomas


Oh, wow! Even in the star studded excellence of the contributions here that is really rather special, welcome Thomas!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Pierre-Emmanuel on April 24, 2018, 02:13:17 PM
Here's my version, played on a G/C/acc. Beltuna : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuBPRrmVnCA&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuBPRrmVnCA&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Jackhumphreys on April 27, 2018, 05:51:50 PM
Just in time for the end of the month.

https://youtu.be/iB4GYwnkC98   for youtube

and https://soundcloud.com/jackdiatonique/les-deux-frere-naragonia-melnet-tune-of-the-month-518

Just to compare the sound  of the same track on the two different platforms. Much nicer on soundcloud, isn't it? and a lot easier to post.

Attempting a sparse and clean version, and one of Toon's basslines: love that E (in F major) for the 2nd bass note (=F# in DG-speak)

The youtube volume is  OK on headphones, but too quiet on the laptop speakers. Something else to try to fix  in future.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Fred on April 28, 2018, 02:08:57 PM
Just to compare the sound  of the same track on the two different platforms. Much nicer on soundcloud, isn't it? and a lot easier to post.

I agree!

And very well played as well.  (:)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Anahata on April 30, 2018, 10:42:31 AM
Some more eagle-eyed melnetters may have noticed I haven't posted anything for several months. My excuse is a house move and lots of associated DIY home improvement work, including (finally) fitting my new recording studio.
Just about done now, and I wanted to get this in while it's still April:

https://youtu.be/jRF0jMdysWQ

Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: butimba on April 30, 2018, 01:56:46 PM
Here's my version, played on a G/C/acc. Beltuna : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuBPRrmVnCA&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuBPRrmVnCA&feature=youtu.be)

This is lovely.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Gena Crisman on April 30, 2018, 05:52:19 PM
Some more eagle-eyed melnetters may have noticed I haven't posted anything for several months. My excuse is a house move and lots of associated DIY home improvement work, including (finally) fitting my new recording studio.
Just about done now, and I wanted to get this in while it's still April:

https://youtu.be/jRF0jMdysWQ

Really glad to see you back able to make videos!

I really like the notes played underneath the main on the 2nd time through the A, I think is it mostly the 3rd that would be absent from the chord in that moment? (I think, 3rds stop is active?)

I'm also interested in the choice of the E basses instead of the G basses for that B note in I guess bar 2 of the B music per the ABC on page 1. It's a very different choice from other versions I've heard here, I think.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Anahata on April 30, 2018, 06:33:54 PM
I really like the notes played underneath the main on the 2nd time through the A, I think is it mostly the 3rd that would be absent from the chord in that moment? (I think, 3rds stop is active?)
Yes, I have the thirds out, and on reflection I think you are right that much of that RH harmony puts them back in. That probably explains why it seems to work well at warming up the harmony, even though it's quite sparse.

I'm also interested in the choice of the E basses instead of the G basses for that B note in I guess bar 2 of the B music per the ABC on page 1. It's a very different choice from other versions I've heard here, I think.

Blame that on insufficient study of the original and other versions due to lack of time. Though if you think it sounds better, why not?

In the end, though it's an instructive exercise to copy somebody else's harmony exactly, it's not compulsory!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for April 2018: Les Deux Freres
Post by: Clive Williams on May 01, 2018, 11:07:23 AM
Thanks all - good month this month. As ever, please stick late contributions on the end of the thread...