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Title: St. George's Day
Post by: Ellisteph on April 23, 2018, 10:09:54 AM
If you happen to be playing somewhere in public today here's a tune suggestion: (second tune obviously)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeIAbUpDZno

Not celebrated quite as much as St. Patrick's day but perhaps warrants a mention on the home page calendar?
 
Title: Re: St. George's Day
Post by: Mcgrooger on April 25, 2018, 11:05:36 AM
Hi Ellisteph. Lovely playing and great tunes!  Have you got the abc for St George's Day?  I found a version online of what appears to be the tune but it's pretty much unreadable due to the weird abc code.  Also, do you know where it comes from?
Cheers and well played.
Steve.
Title: Re: St. George's Day
Post by: GPS on April 25, 2018, 11:30:12 AM
Cyprus Morris did our bit on Monday, bringing morris to the streets of Limassol (much to the surprise of tourists!)

Graham
Title: Re: St. George's Day
Post by: Ellisteph on April 25, 2018, 11:47:32 AM
Hi Ellisteph. Lovely playing and great tunes!  Have you got the abc for St George's Day?  I found a version online of what appears to be the tune but it's pretty much unreadable due to the weird abc code.  Also, do you know where it comes from?
Cheers and well played.
Steve.
Hi thanks and no I don't have an abc I'm afraid - I learnt it by ear from Neil the fiddle player in the video. I'll ask him where it came from and get back to you with the info.
Title: Re: St. George's Day
Post by: Nick Collis Bird on April 25, 2018, 01:17:07 PM
Wasn’t  St. George Turkish?   >:E
Title: Re: St. George's Day
Post by: triskel on April 25, 2018, 02:16:40 PM
Wasn’t  St. George Turkish?   >:E

No Nick, of course not - St. George is the hero who slays the Turkish Knight! ::)

[Actually, he seems to have been born in either Cappadocia, in Central Anatolia, or the Roman province of Syria Palaestina. His father was a Roman officer (of Greek heritage) from the former place, and his mother from the latter.]
Title: Re: St. George's Day
Post by: Winston Smith on April 25, 2018, 02:40:34 PM
He's very big in Egypt!
Title: Re: St. George's Day
Post by: invadm on April 25, 2018, 03:21:29 PM
Wasn’t  St. George Turkish?   >:E

St. George the Sish kebab ?   >:E  no I don't think so 
Title: Re: St. George's Day
Post by: Ellisteph on April 25, 2018, 09:36:40 PM
Hi Ellisteph. Lovely playing and great tunes!  Have you got the abc for St George's Day?  I found a version online of what appears to be the tune but it's pretty much unreadable due to the weird abc code.  Also, do you know where it comes from?
Cheers and well played.
Steve.
Well the mystery deepens. Neil says he used to play it with Roy Clinging when they were a duo; Roy claimed he put the two tunes together. However, Dave Ball also plays the same set as does veteran fiddler John Hardy of Audlem. No-one seems to know a written source, though all are convinced that it is an old tune. Neil has also heard John Kirkpatrick play it but quite recently.
Dave Ball is probably the best person to ask, but I'll have to wait until he returns from Ibiza where he is playing 'Folk in the Mosh Pit' or something like that. The truth will out one day.
Title: Re: St. George's Day
Post by: Eshed on April 25, 2018, 10:19:52 PM
Not an acquaintance of St. George, but the tunes and playing are definitely a joy!
Title: Re: St. George's Day
Post by: triskel on April 25, 2018, 10:27:12 PM
English Acoustic Collective - Saint George's Day & Cuckoo's Nest (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0lkOEWeXuM)
Title: Re: St. George's Day
Post by: Ellisteph on April 25, 2018, 11:06:55 PM
English Acoustic Collective - Saint George's Day & Cuckoo's Nest (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0lkOEWeXuM)
Interesting - same title but a different tune.
Title: Re: St. George's Day
Post by: Roger Hare on April 26, 2018, 12:00:31 PM
...I found a version online of what appears to be the tune but it's pretty much unreadable due to the weird abc code....

Here's the ABC code I recently cobbled together from the named tune book:

Code: [Select]
X:27
%Based on the score in The Old Vic Tune Book - http://www.zen37219.zen.co.uk/Yeoldevicband.html
T:St. George's Day
R:Jig
M:6/8
L:1/8
P:AB
K:D
P:A
|: "D" d2 A e2 A | "D" f2 d def | "D" g2 f e2 d | "D" cde ABc |
"D" d2 A e2 A | "D" f2 d def | "Em" gfe ABc | "D" d3 D3 :|
P:B
|: "D" f2 a afa | "G" b2 g g2 f | "G" g2 g geg | "D" a2 f f2 A |
"D" d2 A e2 A | "D" f2 d def | "Em" gfe ABc | "D" d3 D3 :|
N:melodeon.net version has e2 g geg in bar 3 of part B.

As you can see from the comment at the end, there's also a version somewhere on mel.net.
I think it's in meloden.nets big abc file...

Roger
Title: Re: St. George's Day
Post by: Mcgrooger on April 26, 2018, 05:00:31 PM
Thank you Roger and yes - there's a version in Lester's BIG file! Now we just need to know where it comes from.  (:) Good tune though init?!
Title: Re: St. George's Day
Post by: Roger Hare on April 26, 2018, 05:15:37 PM
...(:) Good tune though init?!

Yes - I was first introduced to it last year in Stockport Old Market - on St. George's Day. 'Twas my first gig with t'Morris...

None of us knew it...

I made sure that I got hold of a version in time for next year....

Next (ie: this) year, we weren't playing. Damn  :( !
Title: Re: St. George's Day
Post by: pbsalt on April 26, 2018, 09:37:13 PM
St George's day is in Northern Frisk - a compilation of tunes from NW England published by Dragonfly music in 1988 and compiled by Jamie Knowles, Pat Knowles and Ian McGrady . Unfortunately doesn't say where the tune comes from - apart from the fact it was taken from collections published by people from the NW of England in 17th,18th and 19th century. 
Title: Re: St. George's Day
Post by: The Blues Viking on April 27, 2018, 01:32:54 AM
This seems to be the same tune. - TBV

http://abcnotation.com/tunePage?a=trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/mirror/BruceShawyer/english/tmp/Another_St_Georges_Day/0000
Title: Re: St. George's Day
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on April 27, 2018, 09:25:52 AM
This seems to be the same tune. - TBV

http://abcnotation.com/tunePage?a=trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/mirror/BruceShawyer/english/tmp/Another_St_Georges_Day/0000

My money says that's the setting Mr McGrooger found. I saw it and  wondered if it had been translated into midi and back.
Title: Re: St. George's Day
Post by: Mcgrooger on April 27, 2018, 09:52:13 AM
My money says that's the setting Mr McGrooger found. I saw it and  wondered if it had been translated into midi and back.
It was.
Title: Re: St. George's Day
Post by: Ellisteph on April 27, 2018, 10:22:50 AM
Excellent sleuthing everyone. The only thing I have to add is that Neil has just informed me he's found some sheet music Dave Ball gave him which says 'Yorkshire Manuscript' next to the title.
Title: Re: St. George's Day
Post by: Roger Hare on April 30, 2018, 08:53:47 AM
St George's day is in Northern Frisk - a compilation of tunes from NW England published by Dragonfly music in 1988...

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A short essay on 'Unintended Consequences':

Thank you for pointing out 'Northern Frisk'. I was not aware of this book. A short random(ish) search of
some of the well-known ABC repositories on t'internet revealed 3-4 references to this book.

A further bit of searching found a copy for sale on eBay - the listing included an image of the first page,
with the score for 4 tunes. I did a quick'n'dirty (and probably highly illegal) ABC transcription.

After editing a couple of 'obvious mistakes' (a 'g2' I didn't like, and which was clearly 'wrong'  (:) - I changed
it to 'a^g/g/'), I had  4 good new tunes.

So I bid for it and got it, and hopefully will shortly have another 151 good new tunes...

This looks as if it might be a book which deserves to be better known, at least oop 'ere in t'North...

Ta!

Roger

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Title: Re: St. George's Day
Post by: Henry Piper on May 01, 2018, 07:42:23 PM
He's very big in Egypt!

He's Very Big In Sidmouth as well !!  12 feet tall to be precise, we have a processional giant figure down here known as " Prince George the famous Sidmouth Giant "  George is known as "Prince" George in the local Mummers play........even has his own Facebook page
Title: Re: St. George's Day
Post by: Roger Hare on June 05, 2018, 01:50:41 PM
Much later...
This seems to be the same tune. - TBV

http://abcnotation.com/tunePage?a=trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/mirror/BruceShawyer/english/tmp/Another_St_Georges_Day/0000

My money says that's the setting Mr McGrooger found. I saw it and  wondered if it had been translated into midi and back.

I was curious and did just that - I edited the above script into a more or less sensible form - it then is almost exactly the same as the
versions  from t'Old Vic Tune Book/the Northern Frisk book.

I then translated it into midi and back - the result was a severely mangled script but not as mangled as that in the URL above...