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Title: Prelude from The Suite No 1 in G Major for unaccompanied melodeon.
Post by: Fred on May 03, 2018, 12:54:25 AM
Prelude from The Suite No 1 in G Major for unaccompanied cello melodeon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euGCa11ZSAw

Just lovely! Now I should get back to practicing more... One day ...

(After a quick use of the search function, I couldn't find out if this link has been posted before. Sorry if that's the case.)
Title: Re: Prelude from The Suite No 1 in G Major for unaccompanied melodeon.
Post by: Lester on May 03, 2018, 08:18:40 AM
Just sounds as if it is some one miming on a melodeon to an organ track. Would like to hear the original recording.
Title: Re: Prelude from The Suite No 1 in G Major for unaccompanied melodeon.
Post by: Steve_freereeder on May 03, 2018, 08:53:06 AM
I understand what you mean, Lester. Quite a lot of post-recording reverb has been applied, presumably to make the dry melodeon sound resemble a cello sound somewhat. But I think it is just a little bit overdone.

But the overall performance is really lovely; I'm quite sure Tony is actually playing and not miming ;). It's a piece I know well and attempt to play myself (on bass clarinet, rather than cello) but I'm tempted to try it on melodeon too.
Title: Re: Prelude from The Suite No 1 in G Major for unaccompanied melodeon.
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on May 03, 2018, 09:12:06 AM
I understand what you mean, Lester. Quite a lot of post-recording reverb has been applied, presumably to make the dry melodeon sound resemble a cello sound somewhat. But I think it is just a little bit overdone.


How can you tell the reverb is an effect and not the natural sound of the venue? My assumption was that it was recorded in a church, or other acoustically similar place. Guess I'm naive. :-[
Title: Re: Prelude from The Suite No 1 in G Major for unaccompanied melodeon.
Post by: Fred on May 03, 2018, 05:30:14 PM
I was also wondering about the strong reverb that was added to the recording. It has most likely been edited, and not recorded in a church, because the backdrop makes it seem like a small place and the lighting seems very direct (as if in a smaller room). No way to tell for sure though, so we might as well be wrong.
Title: Re: Prelude from The Suite No 1 in G Major for unaccompanied melodeon.
Post by: Anahata on May 03, 2018, 05:54:33 PM
Artificial reverb or not, he's NOT miming!

Tony Croft has published two books of tunes from the world of classical music arranged for melodeon (though i don't think that Bach is in either of them).
Title: Re: Prelude from The Suite No 1 in G Major for unaccompanied melodeon.
Post by: Steve_freereeder on May 03, 2018, 06:30:13 PM
How can you tell the reverb is an effect and not the natural sound of the venue? My assumption was that it was recorded in a church, or other acoustically similar place. Guess I'm naive. :-[

It is mostly speculation on my part, that it is a post-recording effect.
However, if you look at some of Tony's other Youtube recordings in what appears to be the same venue and set-up, the result is much more like a natural melodeon sound, i.e. a big reverb effect has not been applied to those pieces. E.g:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5obGS5pTp9s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NlC-D8fzv8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2_YWzYZ_GM

Title: Re: Prelude from The Suite No 1 in G Major for unaccompanied melodeon.
Post by: Grape Ape on May 03, 2018, 07:49:23 PM
Does sound church like whether achieved thru effects or a natural setting.  I think this performance is just amazing and displays a mastery of the instrument that not all will achieve in this lifetime.  Sending the link to my friend who os a professional cellost for his thoughts, though I can almost hear him saying that I need to learn this one, which I don’t.
Title: Re: Prelude from The Suite No 1 in G Major for unaccompanied melodeon.
Post by: Fred on May 03, 2018, 11:58:40 PM
though I can almost hear him saying that I need to learn this one, which I don’t.

I can only hear excuses. ;) Keep on practising and maybe some day you'll be able to! (:)
Title: Re: Prelude from The Suite No 1 in G Major for unaccompanied melodeon.
Post by: Grape Ape on May 04, 2018, 01:00:41 AM
He is famous for telling me “not with THAT attitude”when I say a tune is too difficult and I cannot learn it.  Still, this one needs more than practice- with all that is going on in it I would need to complete some kind of memory training course just to get through the first minute!
Title: Re: Prelude from The Suite No 1 in G Major for unaccompanied melodeon.
Post by: Anahata on May 04, 2018, 08:53:51 AM
I suppose if anyone should try this, I should. As a cellist, I already have the piece in my memory. One challenge (of many!) is dealing with the notes that are out of range and missing accidentals on a melodeon.
Title: Re: Prelude from The Suite No 1 in G Major for unaccompanied melodeon.
Post by: summerstars on May 05, 2018, 09:39:33 AM
When I watch YouTube videos it auto plays onto another video. -  This was next in line

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLlhUkYh2Ms

What instrument is he playing ?

Title: Re: Prelude from The Suite No 1 in G Major for unaccompanied melodeon.
Post by: sammypenn on May 05, 2018, 12:08:32 PM
 Bandonion
Title: Re: Prelude from The Suite No 1 in G Major for unaccompanied melodeon.
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on May 05, 2018, 12:54:44 PM
When I watch YouTube videos it auto plays onto another video. -  This was next in line

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLlhUkYh2Ms

What instrument is he playing ?

I love that. The OP post was technically interesting but I found this truly beautiful music.
Title: Re: Prelude from The Suite No 1 in G Major for unaccompanied melodeon.
Post by: Anahata on May 05, 2018, 04:45:45 PM
Well yes, but he had a whole invisible string orchestra accompanying him, and he's playing a simple slow melody. Very nicely, but there's not a great technical challenge.
Title: Re: Prelude from The Suite No 1 in G Major for unaccompanied melodeon.
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on May 06, 2018, 12:21:02 AM
Well yes, but he had a whole invisible string orchestra accompanying him, and he's playing a simple slow melody. Very nicely, but there's not a great technical challenge.

 You're so right (:). But I do love slow simple and musical. And it was natural reverb.
Title: Re: Prelude from The Suite No 1 in G Major for unaccompanied melodeon.
Post by: Pete Dunk on May 27, 2018, 03:55:34 PM
Tony Croft has published two books of tunes from the world of classical music arranged for melodeon (though i don't think that Bach is in either of them).
I somehow managed to miss this thread at the time. There is a JS Bach piece in the first book, Minuet in G, and it's very approachable!
Title: Re: Prelude from The Suite No 1 in G Major for unaccompanied melodeon.
Post by: Anahata on May 27, 2018, 05:49:40 PM
There is a JS Bach piece in the first book, Minuet in G, and it's very approachable!

Yes, but you misread my post (admittedly ambiguous) : I meant not THAT Bach, meaning the piece linked in the original post, which is the prelude to the first cello suite in G.

Also that minuet, once attributed to Bach, is now widely held to be by Petzold, but that's another argument altogether.
Title: Re: Prelude from The Suite No 1 in G Major for unaccompanied melodeon.
Post by: Pete Dunk on May 27, 2018, 07:02:04 PM
There is a JS Bach piece in the first book, Minuet in G, and it's very approachable!

Yes, but you misread my post (admittedly ambiguous) : I meant not THAT Bach, meaning the piece linked in the original post, which is the prelude to the first cello suite in G.

I took it that 'not THAT Bach' meant not JS himself rather than the piece of music, not excluding CPE Bach (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Philipp_Emanuel_Bach) or even P.D.Q. Bach (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j6vrcbi470). Rumour has it that his wife wrote the cello suites anyway.  >:E
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