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Title: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Clive Williams on May 31, 2018, 10:47:42 PM
The irony of this tune winning in June! What a good tune though:

There's a couple of versions of May Reel I've found; this one nice and steady, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdzl73snAtM and this one played by Jim Sawyer with more swing than you would think humanly possible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIpZYznP1CY (first tune)

I've no idea how easy or hard this one is - never played it before; I guess we'll soon find out! Good luck everyone!

Cheers,

Clive
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Helena Handcart on June 01, 2018, 07:45:43 AM
I must admit I'd rather (lazily) assumed this one was traditional - a quick search of the interweb reveals it was written by Paul Sartin, that'll be why I can't find any abc then I suppose.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Anahata on June 01, 2018, 08:06:15 AM
Well Helena, your Google-fu is different from mine - I did find an ABC, but no mention of composer...
(it's on the other PC, will upload when I'm more awake)


PS found it: https://archive.folx.org/tune/reel/may-reel-1180

X:1
T:May Reel
C:trad.
O:England
S:Jim Sawyer (UK) on melodeon
S:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIpZYznP1CY
Z:Stephan "Stoney" Steiner
K:D
M:4/4
L:1/8
f2Af- ffgf |edcB AB (3ABG|FAdA GBdB |Aceg fdcd |
f2Af- ffgf |edcB AB (3ABG |FAd GBd Ac|1 gece dcde :|2 gece dcdf ||
e2Ae- ee f2-|fefg e3e|ffff gfed |c2 (3BcB ABcA |
e2Ae- ee f2-|fefg e3e |ffff gfed |1 cABc dF (3Adf :|2 cABc d2e2 ||
%%

I guess transcribed from Jim's playing, and that should be C: Paul Sartin ?
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: baz parkes on June 01, 2018, 12:52:11 PM
The irony of this tune winning in June! What a good tune though:

There's a couple of versions of May Reel I've found; this one nice and steady, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdzl73snAtM

That made me all nostalgic for my stolen Saltarelle  :'(....best pick up the pre pokerwork presently...
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on June 02, 2018, 11:48:14 AM
Hmmmm, don't think I've ever been first to record before!
It's a nod to Jimbo Sawyer's version as for me his YouTube video starting with this tune is one of the best out there.
I've learnt it a while back but not really played it much, as his swing in the tune eludes me.

Anyway, yer tiz.
https://soundcloud.com/thrupenny-bit/may-reel

cheers
Q
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: howard mitchell on June 03, 2018, 03:33:48 PM
I've not heard this tune before.
Interesting row-crossing possibilities and left-right coordination for the swing and the hemiola.

https://youtu.be/lYqHW12uR-8 (https://youtu.be/lYqHW12uR-8)

Mitch
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: folkbluesnbeyond on June 03, 2018, 04:34:46 PM
Posted a while ago but I have been offline for a few days. (Some have already found it).

https://youtu.be/LzFun5mdWfo

I haven't checked the posted transcription against my own, but I went back to the Faustus version in the end to make sense of a couple of bits. Four stop one row and DG pokerwork.

All the best

Bill
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: RogerT on June 04, 2018, 07:39:43 AM
I've not heard this tune before.
Interesting row-crossing possibilities and left-right coordination for the swing and the hemiola.

https://youtu.be/lYqHW12uR-8 (https://youtu.be/lYqHW12uR-8)

Mitch
Yes I reckon you've about nailed that. I’ve been watching that Jimbo video for a few years and trying to get his 'swing', which is quite tricky (it must be the beer helping him). But you’ve captured that. Without it, the tune is a bit wooden/pedestrian, IMHO.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: nigelr on June 04, 2018, 11:40:36 AM
Interesting row-crossing possibilities and left-right coordination for the swing and the hemiola.
Hemiola is not a term I've heard before.  Does this refer to the rhythmic differences between bars 3 and 7?
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Anahata on June 04, 2018, 12:13:23 PM
I'd have just called it syncopation.

Hemiola is a particular type of syncopation where you subdivide a bar of three beats into two beats of 1.5 times the length or vice versa, which usually means usually switching between 3/4 and 6/8.

In the strict sense of half as much again or a ratio of 3:2 (OK, I did check with Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemiola)  :|bl ) I suppose that is happening with in this tune, as bar 7 starts with two beats of 1½ times the usual 4/4 beat.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: playandteach on June 04, 2018, 11:32:55 PM
I think that either term is ok. For me a hemiola should really feel like a change of time signature where none exists, and here I feel the implication is to create a push-rhythm (as Anahata says creating a strong syncopation).
So, both ok in my book, but this one both needs a group of 4 at the end of the figure, so it doesn't lie quite right for a hemiola, and it also seems to have the intention of feeling the original pulse against the new figure.
I don't think we should be afraid of using technical terms even if we don't agree entirely.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Mutt on June 08, 2018, 07:25:18 AM
I haven't been so confused by a tune since you all forced me to confront a real 3/2 hornpipe.  (I eventually came to term with those, and I really love them now, so thank you!) 

My first question is: can this actually be danced as a reel?  I'm no dancer, so I have to ask those who are.

After I wrassel with this a bit, I'll have other questions.  :||:  I'm still struggling to control the left hand, so the syncopation/hemiola is going to be a massive challenge.  But that's why we're all here, right?
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Anahata on June 08, 2018, 10:57:10 AM
As played in all versions I've heard so far, it's not a reel. More of a Schottische-y sort of hornpipe. Would work for a step-hop too, I think.

I'm still struggling to control the left hand, so the syncopation/hemiola is going to be a massive challenge.

The question is whether to keep a regular rhythm on the LHS against the RH syncopation, or to emphasise the syncopation by doing it on both sides together.
My experiments so far suggest a mixture of the two will be effective. Persuading hands to actually do it, of course...

Incidentally, there was a really good (I thought, anyway) episode of "The Listening Service" on BBC radio 3 recently, on the topic of syncopation.
 Still available on Listen Again (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b3w77z) but only for another 11 days.
(Hemiola is mentioned, and instead of the usual and predictable example of Dvorak's Slavonic Dances for illustration, he uses the even better-known Bernstein's I Like To Be in America)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: tjsmithdog5 on June 08, 2018, 10:42:36 PM
I dearly love this tune. No way my version will ever sound like Jimbo's, but here it is (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgbjR9FlYGM).
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Anahata on June 08, 2018, 11:50:09 PM
I dearly love this tune. No way my version will ever sound like Jimbo's, but here it is (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgbjR9FlYGM).

Very nice, definitely got some good bounce and swing.
And clarity too: it would be easier to learn the tune from your version than Jimbo's.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Mcgrooger on June 09, 2018, 09:33:16 PM
Here's my go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8oodKp11vI
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Mcgrooger on June 10, 2018, 04:20:48 PM
I dearly love this tune. No way my version will ever sound like Jimbo's, but here it is (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgbjR9FlYGM).
Nice!! (:)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: playandteach on June 10, 2018, 09:17:31 PM

I'm still struggling to control the left hand, so the syncopation/hemiola is going to be a massive challenge.



Incidentally, there was a really good (I thought, anyway) episode of "The Listening Service" on BBC radio 3 recently, on the topic of syncopation.
 Still available on Listen Again (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b3w77z) but only for another 11 days.
(Hemiola is mentioned, and instead of the usual and predictable example of Dvorak's Slavonic Dances for illustration, he uses the even better-known Bernstein's I Like To Be in America)
Actually, although I've used I like to be in America myself to demonstrate a hemiola to students, I don't really think it is. I think it's more of a regular switch between time signatures. It's something Bernstein did frequently - for example in the timpani ostinato in the film On the Waterfront.
I've sketched out that rhythm in an attachment, and it this case it is clearly not a hemiola because the 2 time signatures don't share the same number of quavers per bar.
And I've written a similar tune to illustrate the point - mine switches between 3/4 and 6/8 in a similar way but isn't a hemiola. I have included a hemiola later in the second time bar in the C section (that just reminded me of my children's births).
For an unambiguous hemiola the harmony should now change with the new implied time signature, and you should be able to see that there are now 3 chords in 2 bars. In America, and the rest of my piece the harmonies only change with the barline, which further undermines a hemiola.
Anahata, I hope that this is clear that it is only my opinion - and only then stated because I enjoy the debate. I'm not - despite what it might sometimes appear - trying to imply that I know best. I respect your playing and musicianship too much to take exception to your interpretation of the term. Hence the title of my piece: One Man's Beat...

EDIT - for some reason it won't allow the attachments. I'll see what I can do.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: playandteach on June 10, 2018, 09:21:50 PM
Here is the On the Waterfront sketch - and had to take out punctuation to get my tune up.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Anahata on June 11, 2018, 12:25:28 AM
I'm certainly not about to be drawn into an argument over semantics here. The Wikipedia article mentions different textbooks having contrasting definitions of hemiola and sesquialtera, and then there's polyrhythm...

I take your point, though, that maybe there should be a distinction between a temporary change of rhythm against an unchanging time signature versus an explicit time signature change. I don't know what Bernstein actually wrote: do you?
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Steve_freereeder on June 11, 2018, 02:01:00 AM
I'm certainly not about to be drawn into an argument over semantics here. The Wikipedia article mentions different textbooks having contrasting definitions of hemiola and sesquialtera, and then there's polyrhythm...

I take your point, though, that maybe there should be a distinction between a temporary change of rhythm against an unchanging time signature versus an explicit time signature change. I don't know what Bernstein actually wrote: do you?
Yes, having played in the theatre orchestra for a stage production of WSS and also currently playing the orchestral Symphonic Dances suite from WSS.
The time signature for 'America' is given as 6/8 (3/4). The lyrics 'I like to be in America...'  are set to a repeated sequence of one bar of 6 quavers followed by one bar of 3 crotchets. I've attached a screen grab of part of the piano reduction score which shows the first few bars. Whether this counts as a hemiola or not, I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: playandteach on June 11, 2018, 07:41:58 AM
Argument was the last thing on my mind. Sometimes through discussing fine differences of opinion or experience a new understanding can come along. Hopefully leading to a difference in the way we interpret a piece - perhaps for example choosing to change the harmonies to reinforce a rhythmic point. For me, terms are only useful as tools to deeper understanding, not as a badge of honour. Sorry if that comes over differently.
And sorry for the drift. I'll get round to learning May Reel now.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Anahata on June 11, 2018, 11:09:12 PM
Here we go: https://youtu.be/NkunGa8_99o

I confused myself mightily today because it occurred to me that the ABC transcribed from Jimbo's "10 pints" video might not be the most authentic version of the original tune as written by Paul Sartin. Further research found it's on the Topic Stepping Up CD which I have, played by Faustus. Their version has far less of those syncopations in it, but I'd already learned Jimbo's version so that's mostly what I'm still playing.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: playandteach on June 12, 2018, 03:13:51 PM
I've put an audio recording of One Man's Beat on the playandteach tunebook page  (http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php/topic,18955.240.html)to avoid messing this thread up further.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: playandteach on June 14, 2018, 11:20:01 PM
Figured I should make amends by having a go at May Reel (https://youtu.be/5AYzek7lPG4). Not entirely happy with it, as it doesn't sit right yet - so only linked here rather than a public airing.
If I get a chance I'll put a stronger version up - assuming I can make a stronger version.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Thoon on June 18, 2018, 10:08:35 AM
Hi!

https://youtu.be/L7Rec2kQi88
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on June 18, 2018, 11:37:12 AM
Hi!

https://youtu.be/L7Rec2kQi88

Nice
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Fred on June 19, 2018, 01:04:40 PM
Hi!

https://youtu.be/L7Rec2kQi88

Wow that Bass work from 1:00 onwards...  :o That's amazing!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: playandteach on June 19, 2018, 02:42:18 PM
Hi!

https://youtu.be/L7Rec2kQi88
Well that is just lovely.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Thoon on June 19, 2018, 03:32:55 PM
Thank you guys  (:)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Mike Carney on June 19, 2018, 04:43:33 PM
Hi!

https://youtu.be/L7Rec2kQi88
Love it!
M
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: playandteach on June 19, 2018, 10:06:33 PM
Thought about this while listening again to Thoon's playing. Yes the basses are fine- and lots of options for that instrument. But for me the winning factor is the utterly on-the-rails right hand. Dotted rhythm is so consistent that the groove is established with credibility. This sort of allows me to listen elsewhere because I never need to second guess the right hand. Lovely.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on June 19, 2018, 10:23:40 PM
I haven't been so confused by a tune since you all forced me to confront a real 3/2 hornpipe.  (I eventually came to term with those, and I really love them now, so thank you!) 

My first question is: can this actually be danced as a reel?  I'm no dancer, so I have to ask those who are.

After I wrassel with this a bit, I'll have other questions.  :||:  I'm still struggling to control the left hand, so the syncopation/hemiola is going to be a massive challenge.  But that's why we're all here, right?

Don't see why it can't be a reel.
So far as the fancy bar goes, stop worrying about what it's called and listen to how it sounds. It's simpler than it's being made out to be.
I don't want to post until \i can play it like Jimbo, so it might never happen (:)

If you can't get thr left hand to work, why not rest it for a bar or two?
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Anahata on June 19, 2018, 10:36:03 PM
I don't want to post until \i can play it like Jimbo, so it might never happen (:)

Try the 'ten pints' method. It worked for Jimbo  >:E
But... I applaud Thoon for posting a version that makes no attempt to be  like Jimbo's, as well as for playing it so beautifully.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on June 19, 2018, 11:24:50 PM
I don't want to post until \i can play it like Jimbo, so it might never happen (:)

Try the 'ten pints' method. It worked for Jimbo  >:E
But... I applaud Thoon for posting a version that makes no attempt to be  like Jimbo's, as well as for playing it so beautifully.

To be fair to me, I don't mean play his setting note for note I mean play with his delight in the the tune. If I play it it still sounds ...stilted. I'm hoping it will come to life before the end of the month. And I agree, Toons setting is great.

If I had ten pints before playing it I would probably be passed out somewhere/
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Jesse Smith on June 20, 2018, 01:55:24 AM
If I had ten pints before playing it I would probably be passed out somewhere/

You could drink it in American pints, that's only 8 1/3 imperial pints! ;D
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Thoon on June 20, 2018, 07:55:18 AM
Merci!

(Sorry for my english level...)

Anahata : it is always difficult to appropriate a tune when you have strong versions like Jimbo's. Even if it's important for each other to try to play closer as possible to the version you like of any tune, it is alaways interesting to try other ways to sound a tune. Bravo for your version which is very clear and precise.

Playandteach : dotted rythm is in my opinion linked to the fact of playing accent on the 2nd and 4th step of the bar.



Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Roger Howard on June 20, 2018, 08:24:28 AM
Hi!

https://youtu.be/L7Rec2kQi88
Love it!
M
Seconded! A really good start to the day for me.  (:)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Prestidigitator on June 20, 2018, 10:48:04 AM
Hi!

https://youtu.be/L7Rec2kQi88
Love it!
M
Seconded! A really good start to the day for me.  (:)
Thirded(?). I'm very keen on French music played upon the melodeon, and Thoon injects a little Gallic feel into this piece (I think with the left hand). Anyway, it's magnifique.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on June 20, 2018, 11:29:16 AM
Thanks Thoon, really enjoyable!
Q
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on June 20, 2018, 11:43:34 AM
Hi!

https://youtu.be/L7Rec2kQi88

Wow that Bass work from 1:00 onwards...  :o That's amazing!

Those basses are great.
I'm trying to get my head around what's happening there, Thomas. Right now I can't work out what key your box is in, what key the tune is set in or what the basses are. I expect it will be obvious when I get it, but I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Julian S on June 20, 2018, 11:51:56 AM
Hi!

https://youtu.be/L7Rec2kQi88
Love it!
M
Seconded! A really good start to the day for me.  (:)
Thirded(?). I'm very keen on French music played upon the melodeon, and Thoon injects a little Gallic feel into this piece (I think with the left hand). Anyway, it's magnifique.

Fourthed ! Love the bass - adds so much when it's so easy to overload the bottom end and so detract from the melody. Definitely an inspirational approach as I put in some time on the tune.

J
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: playandteach on June 21, 2018, 12:23:38 AM
Playandteach : dotted rythm is in my opinion linked to the fact of playing accent on the 2nd and 4th step of the bar.
I saw what you said, and thought, nah - that isn't the difference, it's a technical control difference: basically I'm a fairly crap melodeon player, but an ok musician.
Then I tried it to see, and I have to eat humble pie. It IS a weak beat emphasis issue. I'm partly grateful. Partly annoyed. Partly embarrassed.
Great playing and great advice. Not fair.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Anahata on June 21, 2018, 07:08:12 AM
A day without learning...
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Pete Dunk on June 21, 2018, 09:27:32 PM
A day without learning...

Yep, you are being incredibly hard on yourself!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Clive Williams on June 24, 2018, 01:07:56 PM
Well, that took a while to learn! Learnt third hand via Anahata's take, I'm afraid I didn't manage to find a copy of the original, so I think we're really quite a long way from the original tune here. Played on a Castagnari Lilly in A/D

https://youtu.be/SfsWQYDcvb4
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Peter Savage on June 24, 2018, 06:37:00 PM
Well, that took a while to learn! Learnt third hand via Anahata's take, I'm afraid I didn't manage to find a copy of the original, so I think we're really quite a long way from the original tune here. Played on a Castagnari Lilly in A/D

https://youtu.be/SfsWQYDcvb4

Very nice Clive.  The original is on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/track/5CezK2raakHiIOx0oPpIOA
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: playandteach on June 24, 2018, 07:00:45 PM
Yes, Clive it's nicely got your stamp on it. Well done.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: playandteach on June 24, 2018, 11:41:19 PM
Here's a second go - still a bit lumpy, so unlisted, but I've enjoyed trying to work on the advice. Still a way to go.
May Reel 2 (https://youtu.be/g-GjAJ9G3dE)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on June 25, 2018, 03:15:02 PM
  ...The original is on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/track/5CezK2raakHiIOx0oPpIOA

I Just get a blank page. Has it been taken down, or is it me?
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Peter Savage on June 25, 2018, 04:01:58 PM
  ...The original is on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/track/5CezK2raakHiIOx0oPpIOA

I Just get a blank page. Has it been taken down, or is it me?

No, it's on there.  You could try just searching in Spotify.  It is on the Dr Faustus album called "The First Cut" - 5th track in.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Thoon on June 25, 2018, 06:51:59 PM
Here's a second go - still a bit lumpy, so unlisted, but I've enjoyed trying to work on the advice. Still a way to go.
May Reel 2 (https://youtu.be/g-GjAJ9G3dE)

Well done!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on June 25, 2018, 07:03:50 PM
  ...The original is on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/track/5CezK2raakHiIOx0oPpIOA

I Just get a blank page. Has it been taken down, or is it me?

No, it's on there.  You could try just searching in Spotify.  It is on the Dr Faustus album called "The First Cut" - 5th track in.

I tried an independant search. Still didn't get it. Must be something to do with my account. Guess I'll buy it.

Edit: Funny thing, I went and looked at something else in my library and then went back to May reel and it suddenly appeared.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: boblsturm on June 26, 2018, 09:37:26 AM
Here's mine: https://youtu.be/-WP9Hue-d9c (with no computer generated tune added on, but I did generate a minor version :)

Sorry for the sound quality. I had to record via laptop mic because all our stuff is headed to Sweden.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: playandteach on June 26, 2018, 02:42:49 PM
Here's mine: https://youtu.be/-WP9Hue-d9c (with no computer generated tune added on, but I did generate a minor version :)

Sorry for the sound quality. I had to record via laptop mic because all our stuff is headed to Sweden.
Made me smile. A lot.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Clive Williams on June 26, 2018, 03:07:07 PM
  ...The original is on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/track/5CezK2raakHiIOx0oPpIOA

I Just get a blank page. Has it been taken down, or is it me?

No, it's on there.  You could try just searching in Spotify.  It is on the Dr Faustus album called "The First Cut" - 5th track in.

Ah thank you, got it. It's a little.... calmer... than I expected!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: boblsturm on June 26, 2018, 10:22:50 PM
Here's mine: https://youtu.be/-WP9Hue-d9c (with no computer generated tune added on, but I did generate a minor version :)

Sorry for the sound quality. I had to record via laptop mic because all our stuff is headed to Sweden.

Wow, two thumbs down! That's not good. I would appreciate some constructive criticism.  :-\
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: playandteach on June 26, 2018, 10:40:34 PM
I actually honestly liked it. And enjoyed it, which is not the same thing. It did change time signature in the B section - which I wasn't sure whether that was intentional or not. You were clearly using a large measure of personal interpretation, again I liked this - but I can see that for some others this would have been a little too much change to the original piece. Perhaps the lack of a constant pulse is the main issue for the thumbs down.
I have to say that I have no respect for people using thumbs down. It should only be used if you think the person is saying or doing something that you find offensive. If you just don't like it, stop listening to it and move on to another video. I made my version with very little personal contribution and was unhappy with the result. Yours had maybe too much personal input and others expressed their distaste.
Give me yours any day. You can always learn how to be more disciplined, I don't think you can learn how to be more creative.
Please keep uploading.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on June 27, 2018, 12:03:13 AM
... You were clearly using a large measure of personal interpretation, again I liked this - but I can see that for some others this would have been a little too much change to the original piece...

I like that [performance]. If you [i.e., anyone] think personal interpretation is a bad thing just listen to Jimbo's version and the original.

You made it work better than I have, so far and time's slipping away.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Jesse Smith on June 27, 2018, 01:38:27 AM
Wow, two thumbs down! That's not good. I would appreciate some constructive criticism.  :-\

I suppose if someone intentionally clicked thumbs down, at least you're evoking strong feelings in them! I don't understand why anyone would be so rude as to click thumbs down on something that a musician has clearly put effort into.

You're obviously playing it with a lot of rubato, which I suppose is not to everyone's tastes. It almost borders on the humorous at times, like Inspector Clouseau creeping up to a corner and then rushing across the doorway. But what's wrong with that? You've obviously put a lot of work into learning the tune and made an intentional choice to play it this way. I liked it anyway.

I got a thumbs down as well on last month's tune, maybe because I played it like a hornpipe instead of a polka. I guess we have some musical purists here (or at least wandering around YouTube)! ::)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Eshed on June 27, 2018, 07:11:13 AM
I got a thumbs down as well on last month's tune, maybe because I played it like a hornpipe instead of a polka. I guess we have some musical purists here (or at least wandering around YouTube)! ::)
Hmm, till now I convinced myself that the thumbs down I got last month was a random mistouch on someone's phone.
So yes,  we have a grumpy serial down-thumber or two in our midst that lack the minimum decency to give better criticism. :D
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Clive Williams on June 27, 2018, 08:41:57 AM
Wow, two thumbs down! That's not good. I would appreciate some constructive criticism.  :-\

Heh heh, mine too! I think it's fair to say we have a serial downvoter in town :-)

Nicely played though Bob - your videos are always fun and full of creativity.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Thoon on June 27, 2018, 09:53:39 AM
That's not fair. I want my thumb down too!...  ;D
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Anahata on June 27, 2018, 10:11:32 AM
You can have mine!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Thoon on June 27, 2018, 10:15:03 AM
Please!  :D
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: boblsturm on June 27, 2018, 10:22:00 AM
Thanks everyone for the nice comments. Though I started playing melodeon 9 years ago, it wasn't until the beginning of this year that I started lessons. I have been working principally on musicality, and to bring more of "me" to my playing; but technique is also a focus (in playing and practice). I have sooooo much more to learn!! What fun.

In this case, I was aiming for the rubato, and dramatic differences in dynamics and some clashing chords, but I admit it may be too much. The timing of the B section sounds more of a 3+3+2 than a 4+4 (maybe something in the dance that accompanies?), so I decided to make the bass reflect that. I will work more on the tune, and make sure I can play it with a straight face (when playing with others :)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: playandteach on June 27, 2018, 12:36:24 PM
I've not only had thumbs down but suffered someone who jumped on any youtube post as soon as it went live in order to express his dislike as a personal vendetta. That's what I don't get-if you know that you won't like it why go there at all? He's gone now. I look forward to next month's tune.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: arty on June 27, 2018, 12:55:22 PM
Well, at least you were noticed....the worst thing of all is to be totally ignored!  ;D
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Anahata on June 27, 2018, 02:36:38 PM
I think I'd rather have the thumbs down clicker post a message explaining why and (to some extent) identifying themselves. Otherwise I worry about who it was and what was wrong.

I've also had comments on several videos pointedly telling me that the tune I played was Irish, when it definitely had no exclusive claim to be so. And another asserting that The Bluebell Polka is "actually The Flop Eared Mule" as if I'd given it the wrong name. OK, there are some similarities, and I was able to follow up with some reference material from tunearch.org, including the composer's name, from which it certainly wasn't clear which tune came first.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Dick Rees on June 27, 2018, 03:25:48 PM
Thanks everyone for the nice comments. Though I started playing melodeon 9 years ago, it wasn't until the beginning of this year that I started lessons. I have been working principally on musicality, and to bring more of "me" to my playing; but technique is also a focus (in playing and practice). I have sooooo much more to learn!! What fun.

In this case, I was aiming for the rubato, and dramatic differences in dynamics and some clashing chords, but I admit it may be too much. The timing of the B section sounds more of a 3+3+2 than a 4+4 (maybe something in the dance that accompanies?), so I decided to make the bass reflect that. I will work more on the tune, and make sure I can play it with a straight face (when playing with others :)

Bob...

I think there are as many different approaches as there are players, all of them valid in one way or another.  Interest/intent may range from fascination with the instrument and the mechanics involved all the way to making the instrument your primary voice.  There may be strange variations, but on a personal level there are no "wrong" notes.  Objective assessment is possible, but the thumbs up/down stuff is usually based on subjective preference.

Opinions are like arses.  Everybody's got one.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Fred on June 27, 2018, 03:35:13 PM
Oh wow, that were some interesting posts to read through. I completely forgot to get my freshly made coffee out of the kitchen and away from the coffeemachine before it starts its self-regulated turn-off procedure including a short cleaning. Luckily I remembered the fresh coffee though and was able to get it without cleaning water in it but instead could fill it up with a bit of fresh milk as I normally prefer it.

Ok now back to topic, although my wise words will most likely provide you with relatively little consolation: Youtube is a shitshow when it comes to likes and dislikes.

Part of the dislikes can be explained by people misclicking and people who actually dislike your videos, but you have to keep in mind that almost all of those people will also comment on your video if they really dislike anything about it. Most people on youtube are individualistic in their approach to life and they like their voices to be heard, be it for positive feedback ("i like your style, what kind of melodeon is this?") or simply to vent after a hard day at work ("andy cutting plays this way better and btw every costalotti is a shite instrument"). Just don't take the negative feedback you receive for full and filter out the things that don't contribute to a good discussion of the tune, instrument or playing.

And another part is something we normally don't see or experience at all: bots. These are automatic programs that simply skim through newly uploaded videos and downvote everything on their way. There is a system behind this which I personally don't really understand, but if your video is listed publicly, you have a relatively high chance of getting hit by one or two of those generic/automated dislikes. This happens on other sites too (reddit is one perfect example for this) and in bigger scopes as well (ever wondered why there are so many dislikes on bigger youtube channels within the first hours of a newly uploaded video? that's most likely why).

Long story short (or as the internet says it nowadays "tl;dr"): apart from misclicks and bots, there are actually very few people who genuinely dislike your creative uploads. Don't take it too much to heart and focus on the constructive criticism and positive reinforcements you experience.

Stay strong and have a nice day!  :||:
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Fred on June 27, 2018, 03:36:29 PM
Opinions are like arses.  Everybody's got one.

Ok, that's another way to put it. :D
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Jesse Smith on June 27, 2018, 03:40:26 PM
Hmm, till now I convinced myself that the thumbs down I got last month was a random mistouch on someone's phone.

I don't discount this possibility entirely. It seems like it'd be relatively easy to bump the wrong spot and not even realize.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Dick Rees on June 27, 2018, 04:40:15 PM
Opinions are like arses.  Everybody's got one.

Ok, that's another way to put it. :D

YouTube:  the "Open Mic" of the nintershnet.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Dick Rees on June 27, 2018, 04:45:12 PM
I think I'd rather have the thumbs down clicker post a message explaining why and (to some extent) identifying themselves. Otherwise I worry about who it was and what was wrong.

I've also had comments on several videos pointedly telling me that the tune I played was Irish, when it definitely had no exclusive claim to be so. And another asserting that The Bluebell Polka is actually a bit like"The Flop Eared Mule" as if I'd given it the wrong name.

Edited (his comment, not yours) to reflect reality.  In Northern Wisconsin the tune is known as the "Ripsaw Bucksaw Schottische".  Logging territory.


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it certainly wasn't clear which tune came first.

Chicken/egg...


Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Clive Williams on June 30, 2018, 10:57:40 PM
Thanks all, and indeed Mr Random Thumb Clicker - time for the next tune! Please stick any late contributions on the end here as usual...
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on July 01, 2018, 08:39:56 AM
There is an upside to the Phantom Thumbs Downer. From now 'till forever no one needs to take any thumbs downs as real. They're just some bot having a go a the world.