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Title: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Clive Williams on May 31, 2018, 10:55:02 PM
I've nicked this idea completely from George's list of excellent suggestions. An Everest tune being one that you've had a lot of trouble learning, never thinking you'd manage it, but now you've got your head around it! I've got a few that would meet those criteria - how about you?

Cheers

Clive
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Jesse Smith on June 01, 2018, 02:02:17 AM
I don't think I've been playing long enough to have one of these. ::) Maybe I'll just try to learn an extra ambitious one...
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Anahata on June 01, 2018, 07:50:16 AM
Everything I can think of in that category has been done for a Melnet ToTM so would only be a re-posting.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: baz parkes on June 01, 2018, 12:46:07 PM
We live opposite the house in which Mallory grew up. I'll go and stare at it a bit and seek inspiration.... :|glug
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on June 01, 2018, 12:55:21 PM
and I thought you were celebrating the 65 anniversary of Tensing Norgay's and Hilary's [Edit: It's a little known fact that Hilary Everest was on on the successful Everest expedition, but didn't get mentioned because she was welsh].
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Stiamh on June 01, 2018, 02:02:56 PM
Are there any tunes the attempting of which regularly ends in death?

And while we're being off-topic. Everest was a Welshman. Just make sure you get the pronunciation right (http://mentalfloss.com/article/68822/were-all-mispronouncing-mount-everests-name)... 

PS It's Hillary, as in Clinton.


Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Edward Jennings on June 01, 2018, 03:24:23 PM
The face of Everest (North South East or West, dunno!) was Ted Moult, but he certainly wasn't Welsh, 'e be from Derbyshire!
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Clive Williams on June 01, 2018, 10:19:47 PM
Please remember that all attempts to twist the meaning of the theme so something slightly related by the most tenuous link... are always positively encouraged :-)
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Grape Ape on June 01, 2018, 10:53:38 PM
My everest is the tune “Indifference,” by Tony Mura.  I don’t think I will be climbing it this month, but maybe five years from now if and when this theme is recycled....
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on June 02, 2018, 01:48:43 AM
I never got around to climbing Everest but I've sunbathed on Kinder, been burned to a cinder. Would that qualify?
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Julian S on June 02, 2018, 08:47:19 AM
As a keen skier I have lots of tunes which I regard as being akin to 'black runs'- ones I can manage but often with a lack of skill or elegance, some loss of control (and maybe a crash or two on the way). It's tempting to go back to the 'blue run' tunes - but stretching oneself and learning the skills to do the harder slopes/tunes is great. It's not so much climbing a summit, but getting better through each attempt, and having those transferable skills.
And a bit like skiing, each time I play a tune, it's slightly different, both in the bits that go well and the errors - and I rarely look back and think that was a perfect run. No matter how easy or difficult a tune (or slope) is, enjoying the journey is the thing.
Thinking further about my analogy, easy slopes/tunes can still have tricky bits, and there are always different ways down (with maybe a bit of extra style or variation in direction or speed)
And on Everest tunes, I've been enjoying playing 'The Rose of Raby' in Gm on my D/G+accs (hard route with no oxygen with high probability of failure) but perhaps I'll go back to Em or Am (easier and with full complement of guides, porters etc)

J
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: pikey on June 02, 2018, 02:16:15 PM
As requested .......   >:E


https://youtu.be/NI1UHnw5XN0
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on June 02, 2018, 02:47:49 PM
 ;D I love this, thanks Pikey, it always makes me smile
Q
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: docEdock on June 03, 2018, 11:31:34 AM
As requested .......   >:E


https://youtu.be/NI1UHnw5XN0
Wow. The summit is yours. Played with impressive verve and rhythm. I especially liked your facial expression at the finale -- well deserved triumph.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Anahata on June 03, 2018, 12:38:53 PM
Don't encourage him, guys...  >:E
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: baz parkes on June 06, 2018, 02:16:22 PM
Bit of advice needed...I'm thinking Quebecois tunes as I really can't get my head/fingers (let alone feet...} round these.

I've listened to many players, and some of my favourite English players, notably Quinns Sr and Jr. do a fine job.

Any suggestions for an "entry level" Quebecois tune?

Please oblige, as it used to say on the notes from parents I used to get back in the day...
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Clive Williams on June 06, 2018, 02:56:09 PM
Bit of advice needed...I'm thinking Quebecois tunes as I really can't get my head/fingers (let alone feet...} round these.

I've listened to many players, and some of my favourite English players, notably Quinns Sr and Jr. do a fine job.

Any suggestions for an "entry level" Quebecois tune?

Please oblige, as it used to say on the notes from parents I used to get back in the day...

This one's pretty great - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAzr99n9Eus - Marche a Queteux Pomerleau here demo'ed by Andre Brunet nice and slowly, but popularised in the UK by Chris Wood and Andy Cutting, who plays it in G, in the higher octave (you need a 3 voice box really) mostly against a C chord drone.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: baz parkes on June 07, 2018, 12:51:22 PM
Bit of advice needed...I'm thinking Quebecois tunes as I really can't get my head/fingers (let alone feet...} round these.
Any suggestions for an "entry level" Quebecois tune

This one's pretty great - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAzr99n9Eus - Marche a Queteux Pomerleau here demo'ed by Andre Brunet nice and slowly, but popularised in the UK by Chris Wood and Andy Cutting, who plays it in G, in the higher octave (you need a 3 voice box really) mostly against a C chord drone.

Ta
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Mutt on June 08, 2018, 06:47:00 AM
Everything I can think of in that category has been done for a Melnet ToTM so would only be a re-posting.

It might be informative to the more timid among us to know just which ones these were. Or how about one from your earlier playing career?
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Chris Ryall on June 08, 2018, 09:44:06 AM
Everything I can think of in that category has been done for a Melnet ToTM so would only be a re-posting.

Agreed.  My own Everest is "Stoney Steps"  ;)
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Anahata on June 08, 2018, 12:42:38 PM
Everything I can think of in that category has been done for a Melnet ToTM so would only be a re-posting.

It might be informative to the more timid among us to know just which ones these were.

The one I sweated blood over for a long time is Rosamond's Pond (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN7ijEf97Dw)
Not only working out how to play the bass line modified as little as possible from the printed original, but then finding a harmony line for 3rd time through which (a) fitted musically, and (b) worked with the same bass line, and then learning to play it. As has been pointed out before, it was so new that we were still reading from the dots on that video. But unlike the others mentioned below, it's now in regular performing repertoire.

Close runners-up  are Feed The Birds (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBDEO30RCU0) and The Abbess (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m-R8oashlg), both for having to learn to play in a different style that is not my usual kind of music, and The Liberty Bell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=120GV2XLt24) for obvious reasons, once you get past the second strain and into 'fools rush in' territory.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Grape Ape on June 08, 2018, 01:37:49 PM
Your playing on the Liberty Bell is as fine an example of playing as I have ever heard.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on June 08, 2018, 05:01:58 PM
I have no problem identifying my Everest song. It's the one that brought me to this site. The Abbess. However, when I came to play it I found I couldn't remember how to. Now I'm going to have to climb this mountain again.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: playandteach on June 08, 2018, 10:51:35 PM
So pleased that I'm not alone with struggling with The Abbess, though I haven't looked at it in a couple of years. It looks straightforward, so I just assumed that is was me.
Maybe I'll have another go.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Pierre-Emmanuel on June 09, 2018, 01:03:00 AM
Here's one of my "Everest tunes", a Renaissance song called "Tourdion" or "Quand je bois du vin clairet". After transcribing it a few months ago, I abandoned it, thinking I wouldn't be able to make it sound good. But a few changes to my arrangement made a huge difference. The natural reverb in my empty garage also helps!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srn3sTmdJf4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srn3sTmdJf4)
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on June 09, 2018, 08:53:17 PM
So pleased that I'm not alone with struggling with The Abbess, though I haven't looked at it in a couple of years. It looks straightforward, so I just assumed that is was me.
Maybe I'll have another go.

The problem isn't playing the notes. It's playing them so they sound right to you. Especially the basses. It was my party piece for two years. Now it's vanished..
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Gary Chapin on June 09, 2018, 09:13:31 PM
Close runners-up  are Feed The Birds (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBDEO30RCU0) ...

I have also found Feed the Birds to be devilish.

I have a number of tunes in this category. I consider them bêtes noires. The one that most haunts me is Plante a Chou, a fairly bog norme scottish. I once recorded a version for the blog and then deleted the post because it was just too wartful.

I got it somewhat under my fingers now -- though I can't remember ever playing it without error. I will post tomorrow.

Gary
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Daddy Long Les on June 12, 2018, 08:39:23 AM
Stoney Steps Hornpipe (like Chris!)

This one has taken me several weeks to get to this slow(ish) and steady stage.

https://youtu.be/_GvVIsEn6wQ

Les
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on June 12, 2018, 12:05:44 PM
... I abandoned it, thinking I wouldn't be able to make it sound good. But a few changes to my arrangement made a huge difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srn3sTmdJf4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srn3sTmdJf4)

Yes. Break through moments sometimes have little triggers like this, other times you just have to keep banging your head against it. Often the first method gives a better result.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on June 12, 2018, 08:47:45 PM
I have climbed Hay Tor and danced at the top.
I then sat a while and it came to me......

With the wind in the right direction ( mostly ) here is my Everest ( Hay Tor ) tune.
'11 St Martins Street' by Nigel Chippendale.
Nigel was a writer of excellent if not finger knotting tunes that somehow take me on a guided tour around the melodeon in the process of playing it. His tunes make me smile......

https://soundcloud.com/thrupenny-bit/11-st-martins-street

cheers
Q
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Fred on June 12, 2018, 09:45:44 PM
I have climbed Hay Tor and danced at the top.
I then sat a while and it came to me......

With the wind in the right direction ( mostly ) here is my Everest ( Hay Tor ) tune.
'11 St Martins Street' by Nigel Chippendale.
Nigel was a writer of excellent if not finger knotting tunes that somehow take me on a guided tour around the melodeon in the process of playing it. His tunes make me smile......

https://soundcloud.com/thrupenny-bit/11-st-martins-street

cheers
Q

Oooooh this is just awesome. Thanks for sharing. Really a deep tune with a lot of interesting twists and turns.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: AnnC on June 12, 2018, 09:47:20 PM

'11 St Martins Street' by Nigel Chippendale.
Nigel was a writer of excellent if not finger knotting tunes that somehow take me on a guided tour around the melodeon in the process of playing it. His tunes make me smile......
cheers
Q

 ;D   :||: and that tune is definitely a finger knotter, listening to your playing while looking at the dots in my old copy of Chippindale's Cheery Chunes was lovely  ;D
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on June 12, 2018, 09:55:10 PM
Thanks Fred and Ann, yep a classic Chippendale finger knotter......
Glad it hit the spot, especially as the wind kept blowing me sideways ;)
Q
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: folkbluesnbeyond on June 13, 2018, 03:42:04 PM
A convoluted ascent. Becky Hamilton, studying music for film asked Rob and Lesley Neale and me to play and record parts of a score which she had written for a short film as a part of her course. My part was the guitar and Rob and Lesley were playing concertina, recorder and percussion. This is one of the themes in the score, Bobs Hornpipe. I have very slightly adapted the structure for life on the melodeon and outside of the film. The whole exercise was a brilliant challenge and I promised myself to do something with the material. This seemed as good an opportunity as any.

https://youtu.be/veQdyIigBBw

All the best

Bill
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Howard Mitchell-Borts (Mitch) on June 16, 2018, 04:18:38 PM
Here's The Broken Rifle by John Kirkpatrick from his CD Three in a Row.

I learnt this some years ago but it never made it to performance standard.
It's taken me a while to resurrect it and work on the arpeggios, row crossing and modulations.
It's completely playable on a standard 2 row 8 bass even though this is on a 2 and 1/2 12 bass.  I don't use any of the 1/2 row or extra basses.

I like the way it sort of rises throughout the tune and then ends up back at the beginning but an octave up - a bit like an Escher staircase.

https://youtu.be/L3US_950w_k (https://youtu.be/L3US_950w_k)

Mitch

Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Saul Bailey on June 16, 2018, 06:10:55 PM
Umpteenth take's the charm... Here's Roger Wilson's Zycanthos/Zakynthos Jig :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=givKrB_RRVA&feature=youtu.be

Saul
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Fred on June 19, 2018, 01:07:49 PM
Now normally the TotM postings encourage me to learn one or two of the songs other people upload but to be honest it is a bit different this time around. All of the songs indeed seem to be Everest Tunes in its true sense as in hard to learn and even harder to master. You all are doing a great job!  :||:
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Jesse Smith on June 19, 2018, 01:36:14 PM
Here's The Broken Rifle by John Kirkpatrick from his CD Three in a Row.

I enjoyed that, Mitch, thanks! I really like this tune - as you say, the way the B part rambles around through different chords before ending up, somewhat surprisingly, back where it started. JK demonstrates it on his tutorial DVD, but I haven't tried it yet.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: baz parkes on June 20, 2018, 10:48:39 AM
Here's The Broken Rifle by John Kirkpatrick from his CD Three in a Row.
https://youtu.be/L3US_950w_k (https://youtu.be/L3US_950w_k)

Mitch

I've been learning this one for 30+ years... :|bl
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for June 2018: Everest Tunes
Post by: Howard Mitchell-Borts (Mitch) on June 20, 2018, 01:10:01 PM
Here's The Broken Rifle by John Kirkpatrick from his CD Three in a Row.
https://youtu.be/L3US_950w_k (https://youtu.be/L3US_950w_k)

Mitch

I've been learning this one for 30+ years... :|bl


Me too!
It's quite a work out for lots of different arpeggios. I found one of the most difficult parts was the first 2 bars of the B music. The arpeggio AEC#E starting with the third finger and then the run ABC#D starting on the same A but with the first finger.

Mitch