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Title: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Clive Williams on September 01, 2018, 11:01:43 AM
This month's winner is Chassepain, written by Gilles Chabanet from La Chavannee, etc - demo'ed nice and close up by Mel,  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIvpIYUD_ww ; french 2/4 bourree commonly played with another of his compositions, Boudemic. Pretty popular in sessions around here. Mel playing full speed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URM5Pw1Xp-k

Do you know, I could have sworn I'd recorded this before, but apparently not! Excellent - looking forward to it!

Those looking for abc can find it in Richard Robinson's excellent ABC collection here: http://richardrobinson.tunebook.org.uk/static/tunebook.abc

Cheers,

Clive
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on September 01, 2018, 12:33:33 PM
Um..... just clicked on the abc link and get a screen full of unstructured abc stuff.
Is it just me?
Are there any other links around?
cheers
Q
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Anahata on September 01, 2018, 12:51:50 PM
ABC copied and pasted from the Richard Robinson link:

X:3879
T: Chassepain
C:Gilles Chabenat
L:1/8
M:2/4
O:France
R:Bourrée À  Deux Temps
F:http://richardrobinson.tunebook.org.uk/Tune/5458
K:G
|:d>A Ad |cB AB |E>F GB |AE FD |
d>A Ad |cB AB |E>F GA |B^c d2 :|
|:BG E(d|d)B G(e|e)^c AB |^cd cA |
BG E(d|d)B G(e|e)^c AF |GA FD :|

(the title might have looked strange; in the above I replaced the accented characters with proper UTF-8 codes, but I didn't have any problems with the ABC generally)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on September 01, 2018, 01:31:30 PM
Oh, wonder what I did?
Anyway, never mind, thanks for the tune!
Cheers
Q
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on September 01, 2018, 02:32:29 PM
Did you search for the right tune?
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on September 01, 2018, 04:15:27 PM
If I click on the link I get wall to wall abc notation.
It looks like a tune has been 'unravelled' into a line format, so the next tune then follows on in the line and so on.
The top of the page looks like:


%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% abcm2ps decorations :- % This is an ugly nuisance. % Tunes may depend on predefined decorations, with or without embedded postscript, and I don't want to try and parse these out individually. So the alternative is to include everything that could possibly be relevant % from William Marshall's Scottish Airs, Melodies, Strathspeys, Reels &c (1822) :- %%deco # 3 @ 8 0 0 "@-3,-3♯" %%deco b 3 @ 8 0 0 "@-3,-3♭" %%deco = 3 @ 8 0 0 "@-3,-3♮" %%deco # 3 @ 8 0 0 "@-3,-3♯" %%deco b 3 @ 8 0 0 "@-3,-3♭" %%deco = 3 @ 8 0 0 "@-3,-3♮" % from William Marshall's Scottish Melodies, Reels, Strathspeys volume 2nd (1845) :- %%deco = 3 @ 8 0 0 "@-3,-3â™®" %%deco = 3 @ 8 0 0 "@-3,-3â™®" %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%abc-charset utf-8 I:abc-charset utf-8 X:1 T:The Ranting Highlandman. T:The White Cockade M:C| L:1/8 Q:1/2=112 I: :: :: %% G A B c d e ^f g a Z:Jack Campin * www.campin.me.uk * 2009 F:http://www.campin.me.uk/Aird/Aird-v1.abc K:G AG|B2B2 B2AG|B2B2 B2g2|B2B2 B2AG|AGAB A2 GA|B2B2 cBAG|A2B2 g2fg|a2gf g2fe|d2B2 B2:: Bc|d2B2 g2B2|d2d2 d2e2|d2cB g2fg|a2A2 A2 GA|B2B2 cBAG|A2B2 g2fg|a2gf g2fe|d2B2 B2:| X:2 T:Quick Step. 25th Regt. N:bars of quavers are all beamed together in the original M:2/4 L:1/16 Q:1/4=89 I: :: :: %% D ^F G A B c d e f ^f g a Z:Jack Campin * www.campin.me.uk * 2009 F:http://www.campin.me.uk/Aird/Aird


….is what I get!
using Win10 + Edge.

Thank to Anahata for sorting me so now not a problem, just curious as to what's going on!
cheers
Q
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Clive Williams on September 01, 2018, 04:22:15 PM
The link is to an ABC tune book, not an individual tune. Save it to disk or load it into your app and you'll get the notes for lots of tunes in a similar style, including Chassepain.

Cheers

Clive
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on September 01, 2018, 04:25:46 PM
ah ok Clive, thank you for illuminating.... I should have realised that  :|bl
Apologies for a 'seniour' moment
Q
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Gena Crisman on September 01, 2018, 04:29:34 PM
As usual, the answer is likely differing operating system line endings. Seems to look much more regular looking for an ABC file in chrome though, so either use that, or, encourage edge to download the original file (right click Clive's link, save link as) and eg open it in wordpad or another text editor that knows how to support line endings from other platforms, then resave it (hopefully with windows line endings), or, perhaps your ABC editor will support opening it and know what to do directly. From there it's much easier to pick out the tune you want.

Or, copy/paste Anahata's helpful excerpt.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on September 01, 2018, 04:39:27 PM
my main problem was not realising it was a large abc file, it looked like a jumble!
Others I've downloaded have usually come in a long list of tunes one following the other but each being a discrete tune, as opposed to a long list *following* one another.
Having had Chrome corrupt an operating system yonks back when trying to remove it I vow never to go there again. My hang-up I know..... Anyway, got there in the end thanks to Clive.

Thanks all.... as you were peeps!
Q
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Jackhumphreys on September 01, 2018, 05:41:51 PM
Here's  a DG one from 2012, which still seems OK.  However, Baudimic, the second tune, is played incorrectly at the end of the A music.
(There's a good reason for the pale video!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX0aEI3AO-0
These days I'd syncopate the bass and treble together rather just the treble.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on September 02, 2018, 03:27:01 PM
my main problem was not realising it was a large abc file, it looked like a jumble!
Others I've downloaded have usually come in a long list of tunes one following the other but each being a discrete tune, as opposed to a long list *following* one another.
Having had Chrome corrupt an operating system yonks back when trying to remove it I vow never to go there again. My hang-up I know..... Anyway, got there in the end thanks to Clive.

Thanks all.... as you were peeps!
Q

Like you realised, not Chrome's fault this time.
There are a lot of tune collections like this out there. I usually open them on-line, clicking the link, Ctrl F for a search box, enter a word or two from the tune title and press enter until I hit the right one then mark and copy the relevant ABC and paste it into my favoured ABC editor.
Sorry if that's sucking eggs.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on September 02, 2018, 03:58:57 PM
 yeah I know....was just having a mental away day ;)
Q
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: folkbluesnbeyond on September 02, 2018, 03:59:50 PM

A interesting journey from 'scratch' to here. Slower than some may prefer...

https://youtu.be/vvKpUfus0-M

All the best

Bill
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on September 02, 2018, 09:20:26 PM

A interesting journey from 'scratch' to here. Slower than some may prefer...

https://youtu.be/vvKpUfus0-M

All the best

Bill

Very nicely played. I do love the sound of pokerwork basses.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on September 03, 2018, 09:48:53 AM
As always, I am astounded by what Andy Cutting can do with a tune.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVu1u4SWO1Q
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on September 03, 2018, 03:54:22 PM
indeed...… a bit good that lad  (:)
Q
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Julian S on September 04, 2018, 07:38:04 AM
That's better than a large coffee to wake me up ! Got to be my tune of the day...

J
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Mcgrooger on September 04, 2018, 10:14:26 AM
A interesting journey from 'scratch' to here. Slower than some may prefer...
Bill

I'm always impressed with the speed you get your TOTM postings up Bill and really nicely played too. (:)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Mcgrooger on September 04, 2018, 10:24:40 AM
Is it just my imagination or do 'Euro' tunes tend to get more votes than 'British' ones? It was a close old thing between Chassepain and Jiggery Pokery but in either case it would be good to see postings from all those who vote for the winning tune but I bet we don't see 22 recordings this month!
On a different topic, it would be interesting to have a look at the tune Clive mentioned as being a common pair for Chassepain - Boudemic?  Anyone got the abc?  I'd never come across either tune before but I've had a quick look at Chassepain now and will try and put something up (in which case there should be at least 23) and would quite like to have a look at the other one too.

Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Fred on September 04, 2018, 10:27:56 AM
Clive mentioned as being a common pair for Chassepain - Boudemic?  Anyone got the abc?

According to the list on his blog (https://clivewilliams.blogspot.com/), I'd wager a guess that he has the abc somewhere in his huge pile of tunes. We just have to wait for him to post it. (:)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Winston Smith on September 04, 2018, 10:29:36 AM
"do 'Euro' tunes tend to get more votes than 'English' ones?"

It has seemed that way to me for a while. Perhaps members are afraid that we won't be allowed to play them after Brexit? Stranger frightening stories abound.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Julian S on September 04, 2018, 02:17:42 PM
Clive mentioned as being a common pair for Chassepain - Boudemic?  Anyone got the abc?

According to the list on his blog (https://clivewilliams.blogspot.com/), I'd wager a guess that he has the abc somewhere in his huge pile of tunes. We just have to wait for him to post it. (:)

If you look for Baudimic on folktunefinder ...dots and abc there !


J
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on September 04, 2018, 04:16:03 PM
Clive mentioned as being a common pair for Chassepain - Boudemic?  Anyone got the abc?

According to the list on his blog (https://clivewilliams.blogspot.com/), I'd wager a guess that he has the abc somewhere in his huge pile of tunes. We just have to wait for him to post it. (:)

I  think Clive may be a player by ear. I am sure he knows the answer to that better than I do, though (:)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on September 04, 2018, 08:44:38 PM
Clive mentioned as being a common pair for Chassepain - Boudemic?  Anyone got the abc?

According to the list on his blog (https://clivewilliams.blogspot.com/), I'd wager a guess that he has the abc somewhere in his huge pile of tunes. We just have to wait for him to post it. (:)

If you look for Baudimic on folktunefinder ...dots and abc there !


J

X: 39
T:Baudimic
R:Bourree
M:2/4
L:1/8
C:Gilles Chabenat
D:Gilles Chabenat 'Bleu Nuit'
D:Clays Chabenat Paris Decombel 'Live En Flandre' WBM21070
Z:Steve Mansfield
K:D
F>G AG/A/ | B>A GF |E>A BA- | AA BA |
D>E FD | G>F ED |1 EF GA- | AG/F/ ED :|2 AD ED- | D4 |
d>c Ac | BG EA- | AB c/B/A | Bc ed- | dc A>c |
BG DF- | FE DA | GE cd- | d>c Ac | BG EA- |AB c/B/A |
Bc ed- | dc A>c | BG ED- | DE FD | E2 A2 ||
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Mcgrooger on September 04, 2018, 10:22:04 PM
Thank you for the abc Greg. I think Clive might have spelt the title by ear! ;)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on September 04, 2018, 10:55:40 PM
Thank you for the abc Greg. I think Clive might have spelt the title by ear! ;)

Phonetic spelling I expect. My wife's a primary teacher. She goes on about how marvelous phonemes are. Beyond me.

The Cutting rendition is called Chasse Pin. Didn't like the tune at all, at first, but it's growing on me. I've been putting it with The LNB Polka.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Julian S on September 04, 2018, 11:00:01 PM
It took me quite a while to find it (and some lateral thinking !)  I'm not so fond of it as Chassepain, so it's at the bottom of my 'to learn' pile and has been submerged by another layer of great tunes heard over the Summer...

J
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Saul Bailey on September 05, 2018, 04:26:58 PM
Spelling bee aside... Here we are :)

https://youtu.be/6nc71NoeQ10
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Clive Williams on September 08, 2018, 10:07:42 PM
Here's my version, played on a Castagnari Mory in D/G and paired with another 2 times bourree from Gilles Chabenat, Baudemic:

https://youtu.be/J1DSUxpRAQI

It's been fun learning these again - I used to play them a lot, but haven't played these for quite a while; I think they're both cracking 2 time bourrees with lots of punch and drive.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Thoon on September 10, 2018, 11:41:00 AM
A very quick recording..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yBY8irdrxA

Not fond of this tune and french bourrée 2/4 are generally difficult to play on melodeon/accordion compared to hurdy gurdy/french bagpipe..

(Difficult about the feeling of the dance that should be very different from a polka for example)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Mcgrooger on September 10, 2018, 02:25:15 PM
Well...heres' my go. I thought I'd have a go at Baudemic too after Clive mentioned as a pairing for Chassepain. Me playing right out of my comfort zone!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRBGRhbPRDU
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Mcgrooger on September 10, 2018, 02:27:05 PM
P.s. I used the abc helpfully posted here for both tunes as I didn't know them at all previously. I wonder why Chassepain is scored in G when it feels very much to be in D? By which I don't mean the original tune but the abc score.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Anahata on September 10, 2018, 05:12:47 PM
I copied the ABC with looking at that detail, but you're right -  as there are some C♯ notes in it, I'd have declared it as in D and put accidental  marks where there are C naturals.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Mcgrooger on September 17, 2018, 01:36:44 PM
Quiet round here init?!    :|||::||: :-X
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Fred on September 23, 2018, 01:06:29 PM
Quiet round here init?!    :|||::||: :-X

I'll take that as an encouragement to start recording. The practice has to suffice for now. (:)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Fred on September 23, 2018, 05:35:10 PM
This one was way harder to get a decent recording of than I'd like to admit. Technically I can play the song a lot faster and with quite a bit more swing to it. But for reasons unknown to me, this ability seems to vanish the moment I click record. So I decided to go for a slow and steady recording instead. Voilà!

https://soundcloud.com/laubblaeser/chassepain-take-3
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on September 23, 2018, 06:43:26 PM
This one was way harder to get a decent recording of than I'd like to admit. Technically I can play the song a lot faster and with quite a bit more swing to it. But for reasons unknown to me, this ability seems to vanish the moment I click record. So I decided to go for a slow and steady recording instead. Voilà!

https://soundcloud.com/laubblaeser/chassepain-take-3

Tempo seems fine to me. Heavy swing always makes me have to work faster for the short notes, somehow. I think the trick is not to overdo it. Well done. I might have a go myself. I'm encouraged by you posting on sound cloud,. I can't make videos, at the moment. I still don't like the tune much, though.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Mcgrooger on September 24, 2018, 12:36:51 PM
Good effort Fred and....Greg - filming is no more difficult than recording. Stick a camera (pref a 21st century model!) in front of you, press record and upload the result to YouTube. If I can do it I'm sure anyone can! I can't quite explain why I prefer YT so much to SC but I do. Good to see at least one more contribution to the TOTM this month. Can't say I'm too enamoured with the tune either - not sure why it garnered so many votes!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Fred on September 24, 2018, 03:08:47 PM
Well, I've voted for it since I found it to have something special that I've personally not heard in other tunes and it was catchy. (:)

As for the filming vs. recording discussion... That's a hard decision indeed and I do see the merits of having a video in front of you so you can see whatever other people are doing to create a certain sound. However, I simply do not own any video camera at all, which is a rather prohibitive situation when it comes to creating video content. ;-) Maybe one day I will buy a simple webcam for a few € and then I'll start uploading videos so that you all can marvel at my stumbling and weird fingering.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Mcgrooger on September 24, 2018, 03:16:07 PM
I know this is a bit off-topic but I've only got a 'normal' camera but these days they record video as well....as do smartphones which most people have. Good on you Fred for recording a tune you voted for. I'm always surprised by the number of people who vote for a tune but don't post anything. Maybe to watch the likes of me struggle?! ::)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on September 24, 2018, 07:39:37 PM
Good effort Fred and....Greg - filming is no more difficult than recording. Stick a camera (pref a 21st century model!) in front of you, press record and upload the result to YouTube. If I can do it I'm sure anyone can! I can't quite explain why I prefer YT so much to SC but I do. Good to see at least one more contribution to the TOTM this month. Can't say I'm too enamoured with the tune either - not sure why it garnered so many votes!

My go to camera died a few months ago. I used the one on my tablet last time I videod something, fairly successfully,  but my the tripod and clamp I need to use it got sent to the scrap yard after an accident my car had last month (went for a drive by itself and turned itself on its roof). I am experimenting with my laptop camers, but the video quality is tragic. I don't have a phone that takes videos (the one that went to the scrapyard along with my tripod did. The replacement just takes stills).
I am experimenting with the onboard camera on my laptop but the picture quality is laughable. Doubt if I'll have anything sorted this month. It's likely to be soundcloud or zilch.

[Edit: And no, Chassepain doesn't do it for me. To be honest, I didn't get it at all until I heard Andy Cutting's super version, but that's a bit beyond me. Bit of a shame (from a selfish point of view) as there were two other tunes I would have been keen to have a go at.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Mcgrooger on September 24, 2018, 07:50:24 PM
Sounds like you need a new tripod and clamp for your tablet Greg. However...if you post this tune to SC, I promise I'll have a listen.  (:)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: JeanGenie on September 29, 2018, 08:04:21 PM
Hands up! I did vote for this tune, which I really love having heard/watched the Andy Cutting version on Youtube many times.
I am posting my progress so far. The main problem is getting the  tune rhythm to work with a bourree rhythm, but maybe that's too much.
I am also trying to get this tune to work on Hurdy Gurdy for which it was originally written.
On that instrument the principal is the same, but the hands are reversed, ie playing the tune with the left whilst turning the wheel with the right playing a different rhythm.

https://youtu.be/RzHotRufrP8
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Gena Crisman on September 30, 2018, 07:31:40 PM
Hi, had a go at this one too, since it's a bit unusual for me! I knew next to nothing about French Bourrée dancing at the start of the month, and honestly I'm not sure if I know any more than that now! I took a most of my inspiration from this recording of a large dance hall worth of happy dancers and a stage covered in squeeze boxes: https://youtu.be/d5gS_bIJmP0?t=172

I do think I ended up adding too much swing into things, but I tried to mimic some of the bass rhythm I could hear from that video. I also ended up omitting the fundamental buttons and only playing chords - my preference was block chords but, at home, and playing a morros box, it felt like I'd have to play louder than I was comfortable with to do so, as it was robbing too much air from the melody reeds. Probably playing too fast too, but, I feel like I can feel a solid beat throughout even though there's

I found that the tune makes a lot of sense to play across the rows, especially to play the less familiar rhythms and have the option of long held chords - on a 2 row 8 bass, there's really only one spot where you (probably) need to reverse the bellows without an accompanying chord change (in DG speak, the D note over an A chord, 2nd note of bar 4 of the B music), and papering over that with 'chord rest chord rest' is a doddle. I watched JeanGenie's video and was actually pretty impressed that she stuck up and down the rows (swapping to inner row for the accidental in the A music).

Anyway, Chassepain on a on a black pearl II: https://youtu.be/HzgJ7KBmMw8

You may also recall from the voting thread the idea of writing Jimmy Allen as a bourrée for theme of the month, I only went so far as to translate some of the rhythms and chord changes from Chassepain as I knew it at the time, and never really ended up revisiting it, or coming up with a preferred solution for D over an Em chord. But, here's the ABC for that anyway:

Code: [Select]
X:1
T: Jimmy Allen
Q:120
M: 2/4
P:ABAB
L: 1/8
%%MIDI gchord c2c2
K:G
P:A
| "G"B>G GA | "Em"BA GA | "Am"c>A AB | "D"cd "G"BG |
"G"G>g fg | "Em"dB Bc | "C"d>d cd | "D"BA "G" G2 :|
P:B
"G"G>g gf | "D"ed cB | "Am"A>a ag | "D"fd ef |
"G"d>g fg | "Em"dB Bc | "C"d>d cd |1 "D"BA "G" G2 :|2 "D" dcBA |
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Julian S on October 01, 2018, 08:55:58 AM
Better late than never - internet took the day off yesterday without permission. I can't say I'm completely happy with the outcome but spending an hour on the tune certainly helped. Fundamentally, is it danceable...?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mqC-oTaaK1s

Now to record something for last month's theme

J

Title: Re: Tune of the Month for September 2018: Chassepain
Post by: Clive Williams on October 02, 2018, 09:16:36 AM
Not as later as me! Thank you all; new TOTM will arrive shortly. All late contribs can be safely stuck on the end here as ever :-)