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Title: Melodeon badged "El Cid-Made in Spain"
Post by: gromenauer38 on September 13, 2018, 12:44:21 PM
Hello everybody.
First of all, I have to introduce myself. I’m a melodeon player from Spain, reading the forum since longtime ago and learning a lot about history and makers from all over the world.
I’m particularly interested in the history of a factory from Valencia (Spain): “Hijos de Clemente García”. This factory seems to have been producing and selling melodeons branded"El Cid" since the end of the 19th century until perhaps the middle of the 20th century. Their instrumenst have expanded throughout Spain, but it seems that they managed to export to the United States, under the same brand: “El Cid-Valencia”, and badged “Made in Spain”.
I include a link where you can see some photos of one of these instruments, but you will find many more by typing  "acordeon marca el cid valencia", in case you have some info or more photos to add to this thread, because the factory had an exciting history. They came to have 150 employees, and an extensive catalogue of button accordions.
I hope you’ll find this topic interesting.

https://www.todocoleccion.net/instrumentos-musicales/antiguo-acordeon-marca-cid-valencia-su-caja-madera-original-acordeon-espanol~x82152392



Title: Re: Melodeon badged "El Cid-Made in Spain"
Post by: Winston Smith on September 13, 2018, 02:28:11 PM
What a shame that the person who's been clarting on with it couldn't put it back together the right way around! It looks rather nice.
Title: Re: Melodeon badged "El Cid-Made in Spain"
Post by: triskel on September 13, 2018, 03:53:00 PM
I have to say, whatever they did or did not make (and I'd have to delve into that when I've more time) that particular instrument in the link looks remarkably German - so it was either very, very closely copied from a German design, assembled from German parts, or entirely made in Germany. (And it was no means unusual for a company to claim to be "makers" of instruments they had imported - in fact it is still quite common today... )
Title: Re: Melodeon badged "El Cid-Made in Spain"
Post by: Henry Piper on September 13, 2018, 04:09:49 PM
I have to say, whatever they did or did not make (and I'd have to delve into that when I've more time) that particular instrument in the link looks remarkably German - so it was either very, very closely copied from a German design, assembled from German parts, or entirely made in Germany. (And it was no means unusual for a company to claim to be "makers" of instruments they had imported - in fact it is still quite common today... )


I would opt for "Koch" as the origin !! ……. and the Mahogany (??)  case is rather nice too!
Title: Re: Melodeon badged "El Cid-Made in Spain"
Post by: Winston Smith on September 13, 2018, 04:48:45 PM
The fittings and style certainly do look German. However, I wouldn't have thought that they'd need 150 employees to import accordeons from just across the road, so to speak. But triskel's thoughts about assembling German parts in Spain could well be a possibility, eh?
Title: Re: Melodeon badged "El Cid-Made in Spain"
Post by: gromenauer38 on September 13, 2018, 06:30:32 PM
I also thought for a long time that they probably did not manufacture their accordions, but imported them, but I started to doubt this for two reasons:

- I found in the blog gumshoearcana.blogspot.com  this photograph of an accordion branded El Cid-Valencia with the badge "Made in Spain".
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eDtY4Ju6FZE/TkSJp5iZLFI/AAAAAAAAATU/u0R-5gJ_204/s1600/marca+el+cid+valencia+%2524110+US+CALIF+12-08+5.JPG

- In 1915, the company registered in the patent office of Spain the trademark "El Cid", with the design that carries the accordion that appears stamped on the accordion I indicated in my first post.

In addition, they had a catalog with a wide variety of accordion models, and in all the documents the mention "Fábrica de acordeones" (Accordion Factory) appears.
https://www.todocoleccion.net/juguetes-antiguos-catalogos/fabrica-acordeones-hijos-clemente-primera-fabrica-acordeones-juguete-valencia-s-xix-xx~x129340755


So I wonder if in the USA or other Anglo-Saxon countries there could be an interesting story behind these instruments.
Title: Re: Melodeon badged "El Cid-Made in Spain"
Post by: triskel on September 13, 2018, 08:09:39 PM
I also thought for a long time that they probably did not manufacture their accordions, but imported them, but I started to doubt this for two reasons:

- I found in the blog gumshoearcana.blogspot.com  this photograph of an accordion branded El Cid-Valencia with the badge "Made in Spain".
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eDtY4Ju6FZE/TkSJp5iZLFI/AAAAAAAAATU/u0R-5gJ_204/s1600/marca+el+cid+valencia+%2524110+US+CALIF+12-08+5.JPG

I'd love to see pictures of the rest of that one (do you have any more, Gumshoe Arcana blog writer, Christopher K.?) because the metalwork on that one doesn't look like anything I've seen on German-made instruments - so that one quite possibly was made in Spain.

But just because one model was possibly made there, at a certain time, doesn't mean that all models were made there all the time. Indeed many importer's brands were manufactured in 2, or 3, countries at the same time, and that may have varied from year to year, and a lot of false impressions got promoted...
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