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Title: F/Bb
Post by: John MacKenzie (Cugiok) on May 13, 2019, 04:22:46 PM
I see this tuning mentioned on the melnet layouts page, but I've never seen one.
Why have I not seen one, and why haven't I got one?

Sir John
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: Theo on May 13, 2019, 04:53:52 PM
Its quite rare among older Hohners.  The only modern instrument I've seen in action in FBb was in the hands of Bernard Loffet which he used in a duo with a clarinet player.
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: Rees on May 13, 2019, 04:56:05 PM
I have one for sale. Paolo Soprani 2 voice. 1950s, stepped keyboard. £450 plus £20 UK postage.
I'll upload some photos dreckly.
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: John MacKenzie (Cugiok) on May 13, 2019, 04:59:00 PM
Oh Rees, don't do that to me. I am broke. Might stretch to a set of reeds, I have a couple of donor bodies (Hohner)

SJ
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: folkloristmark on May 13, 2019, 05:08:04 PM
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Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: John MacKenzie (Cugiok) on May 13, 2019, 05:09:01 PM
Same problem here, but no Moon Carrot.

SJ
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: Winston Smith on May 13, 2019, 07:20:37 PM
Sir John; Theo also has one, which he played beautifully at the "Tutor's Concert" at Wensleydale on Saturday night. It sounded gorgeous! (Unless someone snapped it up?)
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: Rees on May 13, 2019, 07:24:15 PM
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Ha, sorry folks. I shall investigate but it's probably something to do with my dear grandson!
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: Theo on May 13, 2019, 07:40:06 PM
Sir John; Theo also has one, which he played beautifully at the "Tutor's Concert" at Wensleydale on Saturday night. It sounded gorgeous! (Unless someone snapped it up?)

Yes it was snapped up the following morning.
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: Rees on May 13, 2019, 07:52:05 PM
Here's a proper link to the Paolo Soprani.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17p5eeG556hmqiKxi5fKPkyIvzQ_PpxzL?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17p5eeG556hmqiKxi5fKPkyIvzQ_PpxzL?usp=sharing)
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: invadm on May 13, 2019, 11:14:22 PM
I have one too, it's a 3 voice MML with a stop on treble side Italian box,it is a common key in Italy F/Bb(F/Sib) BIG FAT sound  (:)
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: RogerT on May 14, 2019, 07:39:04 AM
So the tonic F is a low F I assume..blimey. Barely within audible range  :o
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: Theo on May 14, 2019, 09:57:15 AM
Here is a Koch F/Bb on ebay (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/133050155833)

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/6EwAAOSwOdlct4oz/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: John MacKenzie (Cugiok) on May 14, 2019, 09:59:29 AM
It's the Bb aspect that attracts me, as it's my favourite key for singing, and although I have 2 Bb/Eb boxes, having Bb as the home key would be that bit more comfortable.

Sir John
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: invadm on May 14, 2019, 10:02:49 AM
So the tonic F is a low F I assume..blimey. Barely within audible range  :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ww_C0wjXGA
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: Theo on May 14, 2019, 10:09:21 AM
Glorious sound!  I wish I hadn't sold mine.
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: Rees on May 14, 2019, 10:17:18 AM
So the tonic F is a low F I assume..blimey. Barely within audible range  :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ww_C0wjXGA

Yes, the box is a whole tone below G/C.
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: richard.fleming on May 14, 2019, 12:12:24 PM
Here's a proper link to the Paolo Soprani.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17p5eeG556hmqiKxi5fKPkyIvzQ_PpxzL?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17p5eeG556hmqiKxi5fKPkyIvzQ_PpxzL?usp=sharing)

That model is highly sought after in Ireland. Pity about the stepped keyboard though..
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: Steve C. on May 14, 2019, 12:56:20 PM
F/Bb sounds great with the Lachenal voice on Streb.  Has a real grunt to it.  :M
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: Stiamh on May 14, 2019, 02:47:59 PM
Here's a proper link to the Paolo Soprani.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17p5eeG556hmqiKxi5fKPkyIvzQ_PpxzL?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17p5eeG556hmqiKxi5fKPkyIvzQ_PpxzL?usp=sharing)

That model is highly sought after in Ireland. Pity about the stepped keyboard though..

Even though it's a 21-button, and only 2-voice?
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: hickory-wind on May 14, 2019, 03:54:59 PM
I have a Hohner for sale at the moment:
http://bellingersbuttonboxes.com/product/hohner-f-bb-black-blond-accordion/ (http://bellingersbuttonboxes.com/product/hohner-f-bb-black-blond-accordion/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ww_C0wjXGA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ww_C0wjXGA)

--Now sold to forum member. Donation sent--

Sold a Paolo Soprani recently:
https://youtu.be/KoRpEI7i3YM (https://youtu.be/KoRpEI7i3YM)

Sold beautiful "Favorite" with helogon basses last year:
https://youtu.be/Ss9NWhdcbpo (https://youtu.be/Ss9NWhdcbpo)

Have one or two more 'black & blond" Hohners in stock unrestored.

Scott

Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: mselic on May 14, 2019, 04:01:01 PM
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Even though it's a 21-button, and only 2-voice?

I would have thought that the tuning was the surprising factor in its desirability in Ireland, no? How does F/Bb fit in with ITM?
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: Stiamh on May 14, 2019, 06:52:24 PM
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Even though it's a 21-button, and only 2-voice?

I would have thought that the tuning was the surprising factor in its desirability in Ireland, no? How does F/Bb fit in with ITM?

Convert the F row to A and you've got something desirable, although it would have to be described as a niche market (people who hang out with flute players with Bb pipes or flutes, for example).
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: richard.fleming on May 15, 2019, 07:03:34 AM
I'm just saying it is likely to be quite a good quality, nice sounding box. Not much use in ITM, obviously.
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: Cooper on May 16, 2019, 08:22:44 AM
I know Delicq played one on occasion.
W
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: RBak on May 16, 2019, 04:10:52 PM
I’ve heard of players in Ireland buying boxes like this to convert. Small, light weight, often wooden soundboard. Convert the keyboard to a flat one and boom you’re on your way.
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: richard.fleming on May 16, 2019, 05:01:50 PM
I’ve heard of players in Ireland buying boxes like this to convert. Small, light weight, often wooden soundboard. Convert the keyboard to a flat one and boom you’re on your way.

Yes, that happens, though I don't think converting to a flat keyboard is straightforward. There's a Danish guy in Galway who does it - I've one of his (a Paolo Soprani) in C#/D that came from Sweden - I don't know what the tuning was originally.
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: RBak on May 16, 2019, 08:14:59 PM
I’ve heard of players in Ireland buying boxes like this to convert. Small, light weight, often wooden soundboard. Convert the keyboard to a flat one and boom you’re on your way.

Yes, that happens, though I don't think converting to a flat keyboard is straightforward. There's a Danish guy in Galway who does it - I've one of his (a Paolo Soprani) in C#/D that came from Sweden - I don't know what the tuning was originally.

Anders, yeah? I’ve heard good things!
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: Guy on May 16, 2019, 11:14:35 PM
I’ve heard of players in Ireland buying boxes like this to convert. Small, light weight, often wooden soundboard. Convert the keyboard to a flat one and boom you’re on your way.

Or you could just play it in the key it was built in, and if you want to play in different keys don't buy but wait until a good instrument in your preferred tuning comes up. As they do, eventually. Usually in my experience just after you've bought something that's not quite right, and you don't have the funds...
Title: Re: F/Bb
Post by: squeezy on May 29, 2019, 10:46:52 PM
F/Bb is an amazing key ... delightfully deep sound.
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