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Title: Cuckoos Nest version ?
Post by: Donski on July 11, 2019, 04:29:25 PM
Hello all :)
Just watching the excellent Shrewsbury festival "Knight and Spiers" video on Youtube..  At the beginning they play a set of 3 cuckoo songs... I love the third which is apparently a take on the Morris dance Cuckoos Nest but I cant find any reference to this version anywhere... I taught myself to play it although I think my bass could be a bit more imaginative.. anyone know anything about this version ?
Cheers
Don
Title: Re: Cuckoos Nest version ?
Post by: Andy Next Tune on July 11, 2019, 04:45:47 PM
According to the discography on their website, it says the third tune is Cuckoo's Nest (Longborough).
If I could find my album copy, it probably has more info about all three.
Title: Re: Cuckoos Nest version ?
Post by: Donski on July 11, 2019, 04:52:41 PM
you're a star !  straight into google and wham :) https://themorrisring.org/sites/default/files/sheetmusic/longboroughCuckoosNest1.pdf  Just realised that's the first version (2nd tune) .. the 3rd one is the tune in question.... ?

starts at about 9:20 with the plucked violin.

cheers
Don

Title: Re: Cuckoos Nest version ?
Post by: Andy Next Tune on July 11, 2019, 05:27:15 PM
If you look in more detail on the Morris Ring site,  you can actually listen to all the tunes online.
For starters, you'll also find 'The Cuckoos Nest' in Bledington,  Ilmington, Sherborne at least. And there are probably others as well.....
You might find the one want.....
Title: Re: Cuckoos Nest version ?
Post by: GPS on July 11, 2019, 07:42:04 PM
Just watched the relevant YouTube video:  the third "Cuckoo's Nest" tune starts at about 7.15, and is pretty much the Ilmington version.  The first tune is a version of "The Cuckoo is a Pretty Bird", the second, in a minor mode, is a take on the Bledington, Longborough & Sherborne versions (they often shared musicians, so the similarity is no surprise) of "Cuckoo's Nest", and the third, in a major key, is about right for Ilmington.

The tune that starts at about 9.20 has, to me, the feeling of an Irish 12/16 slide, and may or may not have a cuckoo significance. Nice tune, though..........

Graham
Title: Re: Cuckoos Nest version ?
Post by: malcolmbebb on July 11, 2019, 07:57:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOFTio1zkS8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOFTio1zkS8) or thereabouts
Title: Re: Cuckoos Nest version ?
Post by: Pete Dunk on July 11, 2019, 09:10:13 PM
I would suggest that the OP learns how to create a link to a point in a Youtube video he is referring to. It's not difficult and I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but if you have a specific question then please do us the courtesy of setting a link to the precise moment a tune you are asking about starts. If you don't know how to do this then ask, we will be more than happy to help.  ;D
Title: Re: Cuckoos Nest version ?
Post by: Donski on July 11, 2019, 09:22:52 PM
I do actually know but wasn’t sure if links were allowed as many sites these days don’t allow them.. and it’s very simple to use the search bar in YouTube by typing Knight and Spiers.. I can show you how if need be ! (Unnecessary)

Thanks those that did reply.. I am still none the wiser as it appears it may not be one of the cuckoo songs at all... I think I have John’s email I’ll drop him a line..
Don
Title: Re: Cuckoos Nest version ?
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on July 11, 2019, 11:02:30 PM
... I think I have John’s email I’ll drop him a line..
Don

you could try sending him a pm.
Title: Re: Cuckoos Nest version ?
Post by: Chris Ryall on July 12, 2019, 10:05:44 AM
Melnet has a specofic link button, 2nd on 2nd row, but even easier …

1. press the share button in youtube (or whatever), select copy link
2. Simply paste (ctrl-C or right click) the link, "as is" into your forum text

Melnet / SMF does the rest! I may be churlish but have stopped answering queries that require me to make a search beforehand, maybe get that wrong 😐

 Internet, more stricly WWW is "about" links. Hope this helps, also others …  😀
Title: Re: Cuckoos Nest version ?
Post by: Howard Jones on July 12, 2019, 10:11:21 AM
I was in a session once where someone started off with a couple of different versions of "Cuckoos Nest", someone else then carried on with another version, and so on for about 15 minutes before we ran out.
Title: Re: Cuckoos Nest version ?
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on July 12, 2019, 10:38:41 AM
....and every version from Howard's session,  if played by a Morris musician, would reflect the way their side dances it in their tradition.
A good tune would be brought from one side to another if hiring a musician, or heard by your musician, which did happen.
Nowadays with more mobile people and the internet the same thing can happen with a tune.
Take 'Serpentiner och Konfetti' a Swedish tune introduced to the morris world by Ian Dedic of this parish and danced by sides all over. A modern version of the old process of sharing great tunes and adapting it to fit your side's style.
Q
Title: Re: Cuckoos Nest version ?
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on July 12, 2019, 10:54:18 AM
Hello all :)
... I taught myself to play it although I think my bass could be a bit more imaginative.. anyone know anything about this version ?
Cheers
Don

Don't be too embarrassed about not being able to play as well as Squeezy. Very few people can.
Title: Re: Cuckoos Nest version ?
Post by: Lester on July 12, 2019, 09:25:51 PM
I would suggest that the OP learns how to create a link to a point in a Youtube video he is referring to. It's not difficult and I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but if you have a specific question then please do us the courtesy of setting a link to the precise moment a tune you are asking about starts. If you don't know how to do this then ask, we will be more than happy to help.  ;D


Or we could just give the help without being harsh or expecting to be asked, that's how we do things on melnet.


Create a YouTube link to a point in the video
Play the video on YouTube until you get to the place in question, stop the video (spacebar will do that), select SHARE (next to the thumb, up thumb down under the video window), when the window opens tick the START AT checkbox and copy the link which will start the video at your requested place.
Title: Re: Cuckoos Nest version ?
Post by: Donski on July 13, 2019, 09:57:35 AM
The word from the great man himself... it’s Paddy Carey’s Jig !
Thanks to those who were kind...
Don

Title: Re: Cuckoos Nest version ?
Post by: GPS on July 13, 2019, 10:18:39 AM
The word from the great man himself... it’s Paddy Carey’s Jig !
Thanks to those who were kind...
Don

Thought it sounded Irish! Glad you got it sorted.

Graham
Title: Re: Cuckoos Nest version ?
Post by: penn on July 13, 2019, 10:41:34 AM
I’m not usually one for an argument (particularly with Mr Squeezy) and i’m very happy to be shot down in flames for being wrong but the third Cuckoo tune sounds very much like Cuckoos Nest longborough on the Morris Ring site https://themorrisring.org/sites/default/files/music/longboroughCuckoosNest11.mp3?uuid=5d29a550c7947 (https://themorrisring.org/sites/default/files/music/longboroughCuckoosNest11.mp3?uuid=5d29a550c7947)
I thought Paddy Carey’s Jig was the totm we did in February? That does appear on the Spiers and Knight album and presumably in this concert video too.
And to stir the pot even further, isn’t Paddy Carey’s English anyway?
>:E
Gren
Title: Re: Cuckoos Nest version ?
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on July 13, 2019, 11:01:28 AM
We did Paddy Carey's Fortune, Penn, which is, I think, a different tune. At least it sounds very different to me. You're confusion over the Cuckoo thing is because the OP incorrectly thought PCs Jig was part of the same set. It is the tune that follows it.

[I take my remark back, on another listen, it is Paddy Carey's Fortune. I just didn't recognise it  :|bl  It is, indeed, an English Music Hall spoof on an Irish tune]

http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php/topic,23470.0.html
Title: Re: Cuckoos Nest version ?
Post by: Donski on July 13, 2019, 11:03:28 AM
The confusion being; John introduces three songs as a trio of cuckoos...  they then play Paddy’s jig without introduction.. ( on the video anyhow) in my naivety I assumed it was part of the cuckoo trio... my search for a tune like that under “cuckoo” proved fruitless, hence my coming to you guys for help.  My first post in years... the rest is history :)
Don
Title: Re: Cuckoos Nest version ?
Post by: penn on July 13, 2019, 11:09:36 AM
Aha! That’s cleared that one up then, ta.
I still think their Paddy Carey’s Jig is the same as Paddy Carey’s fortune (or at least, the one I did for totm was). PC’s Fortune was the title of the song I believe, but the tune is the same. And I still maintain the original song was English but that’ll get me in trouble.
Gren
Title: Re: Cuckoos Nest version ?
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on July 13, 2019, 11:24:04 AM
You're right Penn, I updated my post.
So far as the origin of the tune goes, Mike nailed it

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015096441368;view=1up;seq=1

Maybe you could add your version to the TOTM Don?
Title: Re: Cuckoos Nest version ?
Post by: penn on July 13, 2019, 02:04:14 PM
Yes Greg that’s what I remembered seeing. Before the internet it wouldn’t have been easy to verify the origin of a tune. But... who knows anyway? Maybe someone will find some more “proof” at a later date?
Nice tune and Squeezy and Pete make a great job of it.
Title: Re: Cuckoos Nest version ?
Post by: GPS on July 13, 2019, 02:18:13 PM
I’m not usually one for an argument (particularly with Mr Squeezy) and i’m very happy to be shot down in flames for being wrong but the third Cuckoo tune sounds very much like Cuckoos Nest longborough on the Morris Ring site
You're quite right; I'd forgotten the Longborough tune was a major version. You wouldn't think I'd been a Morris musician for 47 years, would you? Mind you, it is very similar to Ilmington..... (and in my own defence, it's  probably 25 or 30 years since I've had to play any Longborough!)
Title: Re: Cuckoos Nest version ?
Post by: Gena Crisman on July 13, 2019, 09:18:04 PM
So, as far as I can tell, still after everything, no one has posted the exact URL with a time index;

https://youtu.be/oOFTio1zkS8?t=561 - shortly before Peter starts playing his intro part for Paddy Carey's.

In any case, thank you very much Malcolm for a link to the video in question - I had no idea if was an hour long recording of them performing, uploaded by the festival itself. I shall watch it with some interest at a later time.