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Title: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Clive Williams on October 31, 2019, 10:16:43 PM
I hope that you don't mind me closing the poll a little early for my own convenience - I think we have a clear winner!

Derriere les Carreaux - great Fred Paris schottische, here played by Paul Young: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYm8iDdHez0

Thanks to Pete and Helena, here's some D/G friendly ABC which pitches it in Dm (normally I would play this on a C/F for it to come out in D minor)

Code: [Select]
X: 86
T:Derriere les Carreaux
M:2/2
L:1/8
C:Frederic Paris
R:Schottische
K:Eminor
B2B2 B3A | GABc A4 | F2A2 GBGE | FAGF GFE2 | B2B2 B3A |
GABc A4 | F2A2 GBGE | FAGF E4 :: B2B2 edef | d2=cB A4 |
B2B2 EFGB | A2GF GFE2 | B2B2 edef | d2=cB A4 |B2B2 EFGB | A2GF E4 :|

Enjoy!

Clive
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: playandteach on October 31, 2019, 10:42:30 PM
If some kind soul could turn this into a pdf for me of sheet music - while I remind myself how to do that, it would be very helpful. EDIT - just noticed that a very kind fellow called CliveW has a site to do just that, so no need to bother.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: playandteach on October 31, 2019, 10:46:45 PM
If some kind soul could turn this into a pdf for me of sheet music - while I remind myself how to do that, it would be very helpful.

Here you go
Thanks. If only all my wishes were so quickly granted.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Helena Handcart on November 01, 2019, 07:19:17 AM
If some kind soul could turn this into a pdf for me of sheet music - while I remind myself how to do that, it would be very helpful.

Here you go
Thanks. If only all my wishes were so quickly granted.

P&T (and anyone else who doesn't want to use abc directly)

Here's (http://www.mandolintab.net/abcconverter.php) a great abc converter that will create a pdf for you.

Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Julian S on November 01, 2019, 07:43:45 AM
Bit confused by the pdf...but too early for me to get a box out to remind myself how I play it - aren't there some c sharps somewhere ? The pdf only shows c naturals...

J
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Steve_freereeder on November 01, 2019, 08:04:37 AM
Bit confused by the pdf...but too early for me to get a box out to remind myself how I play it - aren't there some c sharps somewhere ? The pdf only shows c naturals...
Yes - you are right Julian. In the B-music, the C naturals shown in both Clive's ABC and Greg's PDF should be C# - at least that's the way Paul Young is playing it. Here are some other versions which have C# (or transposed equivalents) in the B-music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db_hy73q92s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQrt4Q6lk9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlUGzykzN3s
https://youtu.be/PSSP6Ir7ans?t=139
The last is by La Chavannee, so ought to be authentic.

Here's an amended set of ABCs/dots:

X:1
T:Derriere les Carreaux
M:2/2
L:1/8
C:Frederic Paris
R:Schottische
K:Eminor
B2B2 B3A | GABc A4 | F2A2 GBGE | FAGF GFE2 | B2B2 B3A |
GABc A4 | F2A2 GBGE | FAGF E4 :: B2B2 edef | d2^cB A4 |
B2B2 EFGB | A2GF GFE2 | B2B2 edef | d2^cB A4 |B2B2 EFGB | A2GF E4 :|
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: JD on November 01, 2019, 08:14:40 AM
My French isn't that good so I translate the title as "Behind the Tiles". Is this a slang term for something in French? Perhaps Fred Paris trained as a plasterer? A comment on the Windows 10 GUI?
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Helena Handcart on November 01, 2019, 08:21:53 AM
Bit confused by the pdf...but too early for me to get a box out to remind myself how I play it - aren't there some c sharps somewhere ? The pdf only shows c naturals...

J

Whoops, sorry.  My musically illiterate brain didn't clock that. I've had the abc in my library for some time so can't recall where it came from. I never got round to tackling the tune and only looked at it briefly this week.  My ears obviously know how it goes though as I was playing C# in the B music.

Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: folkbluesnbeyond on November 01, 2019, 09:11:53 AM
https://youtu.be/Xe13RQ-yucM

Doesn't extend the canon, but good excercise. (I can do my.....). Throwaway Marmite as a tail.

All the best Bill
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on November 01, 2019, 09:40:34 AM
Bit confused by the pdf...but too early for me to get a box out to remind myself how I play it - aren't there some c sharps somewhere ? The pdf only shows c naturals...

J

Apologies. I just rendered the dots that were there. I have removed them to reduce confusion.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: SteveB on November 01, 2019, 10:10:57 AM
My French isn't that good so I translate the title as "Behind the Tiles". Is this a slang term for something in French? Perhaps Fred Paris trained as a plasterer? A comment on the Windows 10 GUI?
Carreaux also means "window panes", a more likely meaning.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Fred on November 01, 2019, 01:14:58 PM
https://youtu.be/PSSP6Ir7ans?t=139
The last is by La Chavannee, so ought to be authentic.

Here's an amended set of ABCs/dots:

X:1
T:Derriere les Carreaux
M:2/2
L:1/8
C:Frederic Paris
R:Schottische
K:Eminor
B2B2 B3A | GABc A4 | F2A2 GBGE | FAGF GFE2 | B2B2 B3A |
GABc A4 | F2A2 GBGE | FAGF E4 :: B2B2 edef | d2^cB A4 |
B2B2 EFGB | A2GF GFE2 | B2B2 edef | d2^cB A4 |B2B2 EFGB | A2GF E4 :|

Thanks for that link to the La Chavannée recording. I very much enjoyed its groove and I'll strive for a recording close to its feeling.
I've decided for myself that the tune sounds great (maybe even best) in Dmin, just like in the La Chavannée record. Sits nicely on my G/C and I'll try to spice the tune up with a few extra bass notes (finally a reason to properly learn how to play my 14 basses :D ).
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: tirpous on November 01, 2019, 03:41:29 PM
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    My French isn't that good so I translate the title as "Behind the Tiles". Is this a slang term for something in French? Perhaps Fred Paris trained as a plasterer? A comment on the Windows 10 GUI?

Carreaux also means "window panes", a more likely meaning.

Most certainly !
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Saul Bailey on November 03, 2019, 05:37:45 PM
Eee this is a fun tune to play!

https://youtu.be/1boKsE6HyEA
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: playandteach on November 03, 2019, 08:02:44 PM
Eee this is a fun tune to play!

https://youtu.be/1boKsE6HyEA
Clean as it gets.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Gary Chapin on November 04, 2019, 12:21:55 AM
Eee this is a fun tune to play!

https://youtu.be/1boKsE6HyEA

That there is stunning, and you are playing it in a completely different position from me (Em on a G/C). Learning so much. Thank you!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on November 04, 2019, 11:03:30 AM
Eee this is a fun tune to play!

https://youtu.be/1boKsE6HyEA

That there is stunning, and you are playing it in a completely different position from me (Em on a G/C). Learning so much. Thank you!


That is really stunning. Dm on a CF?
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Saul Bailey on November 04, 2019, 01:50:52 PM
That is really stunning. Dm on a CF?

That's right  ;D thanks for such lovely feedback all!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: GPS on November 04, 2019, 02:17:37 PM
My French isn't that good so I translate the title as "Behind the Tiles". Is this a slang term for something in French? Perhaps Fred Paris trained as a plasterer? A comment on the Windows 10 GUI?

I guess it's play on "Derrière les Barreaux" -  "Behind Bars".

Graham
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Gary Chapin on November 06, 2019, 05:51:01 PM

All the best Bill

Nicely done, sir!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: GPS on November 06, 2019, 07:18:13 PM
My French isn't that good so I translate the title as "Behind the Tiles". Is this a slang term for something in French? Perhaps Fred Paris trained as a plasterer? A comment on the Windows 10 GUI?
Carreaux also means "window panes", a more likely meaning.

Sorry Steve, I missed your post- yes you're most likely right. Not a meaning of "carreau" that I'd come across (I'd have said "vitre"), but it makes sense.

Cheers and thanks for extending my French vocabulary
Graham
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: SteveB on November 06, 2019, 08:43:34 PM
Carreaux also means "window panes", a more likely meaning.
Sorry Steve, I missed your post- yes you're most likely right. Not a meaning of "carreau" that I'd come across (I'd have said "vitre"), but it makes sense.
Cheers and thanks for extending my French vocabulary
Graham
It can be used to mean pretty much anything square or rectangular in my experience, but like any language - "context is everything". Never heard it applied to an array of melodeons, but who knows?  ;)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Roland Carson on November 07, 2019, 12:04:46 PM
Saul's version is fantastic and amazing !  I am in awe  :D
We have just had a week of music together and decided to try to make a video of Derriere les carreaux for Melnet on the last day and so I hope we can be excused any mistakes  (:)
It's a great scottische and well worth some more effort.
Here is our contribution:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3JXWazffr8
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: playandteach on November 07, 2019, 05:48:34 PM
Ah, to have someone to make melodeon music with! No excuses needed. Well done.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Roland Carson on November 07, 2019, 10:26:37 PM
Quote
Ah, to have someone to make melodeon music with! No excuses needed. Well done.

Thank you  (:) Yes it's a great thing to have someone to play music with...We get together usually about 5 times each year.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: playandteach on November 08, 2019, 05:52:37 PM
Can someone remember who gave me some advice on a recent tune of the month about accenting the weak beats? I can't find it and it does seem very applicable to this piece. I'm working on the piece now and it does seem to make a big difference - although it isn't an easy skill to pick up.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Blake on November 09, 2019, 07:50:25 PM
My French isn't that good so I translate the title as "Behind the Tiles". Is this a slang term for something in French? Perhaps Fred Paris trained as a plasterer? A comment on the Windows 10 GUI?

I guess it's play on "Derrière les Barreaux" -  "Behind Bars".

Graham
Interesting insight. Thank you
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: playandteach on November 10, 2019, 08:03:04 PM
Here's a first go.Derrieres Les Carreaux paired with Pink Molly (https://youtu.be/Q85eWmgH9-k) by Toon Van Mierlo. I'm aware that it's poor lighting, and that Pink Molly gets away from me, but as I'm trying to do these days, this is an honest take of where I'm at, sometimes it goes better, sometimes worse.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: playandteach on November 10, 2019, 08:51:48 PM
And I put the brakes on this DG version. (https://youtu.be/IYryF_NXyzI) Still lumpy, but hey...
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Eshed on November 10, 2019, 09:03:22 PM
I enjoyed that, Pete, thank you! The pairing works very nicely  :||:
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Roger Howard on November 10, 2019, 09:09:50 PM
I agree, the pairing works really well.  I enjoyed both versions, too.  (:)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on November 10, 2019, 09:55:27 PM
Both versions work but, if I can declare a preference, I reckon the "DG version" is the better.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Roland Carson on November 11, 2019, 10:40:20 AM
Quote
Both versions work but, if I can declare a preference, I reckon the "DG version" is the better.

i agree and I love the bass line on the D/G version.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Thoon on November 12, 2019, 03:54:57 PM
It’s hard not to speed up tempo on this tune, especially on medium or slow tempo.
=> Metronome torture.. 😁

https://youtu.be/yeILOjn1eGU
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: playandteach on November 12, 2019, 04:53:30 PM
It’s hard not to speed up tempo on this tune, especially on medium or slow tempo.
=> Metronome torture.. 😁

https://youtu.be/yeILOjn1eGU
Even with the metronome it sounds musical. Top playing as usual.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Steve_freereeder on November 12, 2019, 04:58:50 PM
It’s hard not to speed up tempo on this tune, especially on medium or slow tempo.
=> Metronome torture.. 😁

https://youtu.be/yeILOjn1eGU
Even with the metronome it sounds musical. Top playing as usual.
Yes indeed, that was really lovely!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Julian S on November 12, 2019, 05:23:00 PM
It’s hard not to speed up tempo on this tune, especially on medium or slow tempo.
=> Metronome torture.. 😁

https://youtu.be/yeILOjn1eGU
Even with the metronome it sounds musical. Top playing as usual.
Yes indeed, that was really lovely!

Ditto ! Very good indeed. Metronome is great as well ! >:E
Definitely a version which I should learn from.

J
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Gena Crisman on November 12, 2019, 10:03:40 PM
I'm actually quite surprised by the tempo people are picking for this piece - I like this tune much more around Thoon's tempo, as well as Paul Young & La Chavannée - about 1/2=86.

It’s hard not to speed up tempo on this tune
maybe this is why
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: playandteach on November 12, 2019, 10:26:09 PM
I'm actually quite surprised by the tempo people are picking for this piece - I like this tune much more around Thoon's tempo, as well as Paul Young & La Chavannée - about 1/2=86.

Actually, my DG version is only one notch quicker than Thoon's at 92bpm, and 2 notches quicker than Paul Young's. I suspect theirs sound slower still because they have so much more control.
I don't mind coming off poorly compared to those great versions. (Not that I'm accusing you of picking me out, Gena - I'm not sensitive to comments from nice people).
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Squeaky Pete on November 12, 2019, 10:59:04 PM
I've sort of known this for a while, so it's been nice to have a serious go at it.
Fortunately (for you) my recording skills are not up to making it public.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on November 12, 2019, 11:43:40 PM
I've sort of known this for a while, so it's been nice to have a serious go at it.
Fortunately (for you) my recording skills are not up to making it public.

It's your choice to post, or not post, but I reckon it's absolutely worth your while to learn how to record yourself. It teaches you the difference between what you think you sound like and what you actually sound like. It can be a shock, at first, but it really helps your playing get better (bearing in mind , that as soon as you press record you start making mistakes you never make).
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Thoon on November 13, 2019, 01:59:55 AM
Thanks for feedback 🙂
I find scottish like « derrière les carreaux »  are difficult to play stable even if there are not particular rythm difficulties. Playing with metronome is a good exercise but my attempt is a bit school because I’m too much focused on tempo. Perhaps I will try an other attempt without metronome when I feel good with tempo.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Dick Rees on November 14, 2019, 05:16:11 PM
Just a couple of observations as to tempo and rhythm:

Sometimes (often) the rhythm benefits from a bellows change rather than a longer cross-row section.  Keeping it in the groove using bigger muscles/appendages can take the load off the digits.

If you opt for crossing rows, throwing in shorter, crisper notes (stacatto if you will) can help.

Know the step, dance the dance, use your feetronomes.

Great bunch of recordings.  Fun listening.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: GPS on November 14, 2019, 07:00:20 PM
use your feetronomes.

Like it!!  ;D
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: playandteach on November 14, 2019, 07:32:56 PM
Just a couple of observations as to tempo and rhythm:

Sometimes (often) the rhythm benefits from a bellows change rather than a longer cross-row section.  Keeping it in the groove using bigger muscles/appendages can take the load off the digits.

If you opt for crossing rows, throwing in shorter, crisper notes (stacatto if you will) can help.

Know the step, dance the dance, use your feetronomes.
All apply to my melodeon playing, of course. I was actually moving in this month's piece, because I think it will help with the feel of the pulse - not for keeping time, but to help bring some weight to the weak beats. I don't think, though that tapping feet help a player stay in time: all they do is stay in time with their feet, not keep a steady pulse, or play in time with others. Obviously many of the players who tap play perfectly in time, it's just that those who don't, still don't when they tap - but they get more ingrained in their own world (whether steady or not). Of course moving and tapping aren't the same thing, as tapping is much more prone to irregularity.
I'm also trying to play more crisply, though this hasn't reached my left hand yet. As I have only really played cross row I am really lacking bellows control and this is becoming more obvious - but I don't know that I can dedicate time to unpicking it.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Eshed on November 14, 2019, 08:06:40 PM
I don't think, though that tapping feet help a player stay in time: all they do is stay in time with their feet, not keep a steady pulse, or play in time with others.
It definitely does for me. the difference between playing when tapping my feet and not is quite extreme, my rhythm in general became much more stable once I started tapping my feet. You might claim that I'm confusing cause with effect here, but we can easily test this by recording a tune twice, once with tapping and once without.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Julian S on November 14, 2019, 08:19:48 PM
I must try tapping my feet with the rhythm of the dance tomorrow - D.Les.C. is such a great Scottish to dance to !
I'm very much in favour of knowing the basics of these kinds of dances, in approaching how to play them...not that I'm an expert in either.

J
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Earl Bryce on November 15, 2019, 09:18:31 AM
Hello all!
This is my first post on mel.net. After years of lurking around on here and lusting after a box of my own, I finally came across one way over here in California last month, so here I am!

I've really enjoyed listening to everyone's take on this tune, it's one of my favorites. It's definitely a tough one to keep an even tempo with, I agree that focusing on bellow changes helps pull it all together. Here's my go at it:
https://youtu.be/lVFv6VBG00s (https://youtu.be/lVFv6VBG00s)
Please forgive the obscene amounts of clickity-clack, I'm pretty sure the original felt from the 40s is still on the pallets.
Anyways, super excited to finally be posting here!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on November 15, 2019, 10:53:11 AM
Hello all!
This is my first post on mel.net. After years of lurking around on here and lusting after a box of my own, I finally came across one way over here in California last month, so here I am!

I've really enjoyed listening to everyone's take on this tune, it's one of my favorites. It's definitely a tough one to keep an even tempo with, I agree that focusing on bellow changes helps pull it all together. Here's my go at it:
https://youtu.be/lVFv6VBG00s (https://youtu.be/lVFv6VBG00s)
Please forgive the obscene amounts of clickity-clack, I'm pretty sure the original felt from the 40s is still on the pallets.
Anyways, super excited to finally be posting here!

Hello and welcome Earl. Congratulations on finally succumbing  (:)
Nicely played. You make it sound well within your comfort zone. Good time keeping.
I find it hard to believe you've only had an instrument for a month.
The clackiness is nothing to be ashamed of, by the way, normal Hohner auto percussion. Always seems to sound louder on a recording, for some reason.

It can, more or less,  be fettled out.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Fred on November 15, 2019, 02:17:17 PM
Here's my approach to this one. I tried to record it without major flaws for about an hour now and ended up just fooling around on this recording. Turned out pretty nice so I decided to just share it with you.
Tried to play faster and faster with each repetition. That was a nice practice for playing in Dmin which I don't normally play in and thus I don't know the right hand fingering and chords very well.

https://soundcloud.com/laubblaeser/derriere-les-carreux-take-2

Played in D minor on a G/C Pariselle workshop box. One medium voice.

All feedback welcome, even the honest and negative kind. ;-)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Pete Dunk on November 15, 2019, 04:16:15 PM
It's always a pleasure to listen to your playing Fred, your take on this tune is great fun and it didn't get away from you until the last time through. I had a huge grin on my face by the end!  :||:
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Fred on November 15, 2019, 07:21:20 PM
It's always a pleasure to listen to your playing Fred, your take on this tune is great fun and it didn't get away from you until the last time through. I had a huge grin on my face by the end!  :||:

Haha yes I thought so as well while playing and quickly decided to end the recording there.
Thanks for the nice words!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Eshed on November 15, 2019, 09:40:51 PM
Nice harmonies in that one, Fred! Seems like you're getting Dm better than you claim  ;)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Dick Rees on November 15, 2019, 11:07:46 PM
Here's my approach to this one. I tried to record it without major flaws for about an hour now and ended up just fooling around on this recording. Turned out pretty nice so I decided to just share it with you.
Tried to play faster and faster with each repetition. That was a nice practice for playing in Dmin which I don't normally play in and thus I don't know the right hand fingering and chords very well.

https://soundcloud.com/laubblaeser/derriere-les-carreux-take-2

Played in D minor on a G/C Pariselle workshop box. One medium voice.

All feedback welcome, even the honest and negative kind. ;-)

Brilliant start!  I love the various modes of D on a G/C box.  I'll bet this one will offer you many ideas in the future.  Enjoy the journey!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Saul Bailey on November 16, 2019, 12:56:40 AM
Hello all!
This is my first post on mel.net. After years of lurking around on here and lusting after a box of my own, I finally came across one way over here in California last month, so here I am!

I've really enjoyed listening to everyone's take on this tune, it's one of my favorites. It's definitely a tough one to keep an even tempo with, I agree that focusing on bellow changes helps pull it all together. Here's my go at it:
https://youtu.be/lVFv6VBG00s (https://youtu.be/lVFv6VBG00s)
Please forgive the obscene amounts of clickity-clack, I'm pretty sure the original felt from the 40s is still on the pallets.
Anyways, super excited to finally be posting here!

I refuse to believe you've only been at that for a month! I definitely look forward to hearing more of your lovely playing!! ('Clickity-clack' or 'natural percussion'? Hahaaa! ;D)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: fc diato on November 16, 2019, 11:33:36 AM
I'll admit I did not much like this tune at first ... find it a tad boring (just me, sorry!)
Started coming around upon hearing Thoon's sustained chords.
Then Fred's slow version:  That first section was lovely - the slowdown gives space to play with rhythm both on treble and bass sides, and sets up nicely for the speed up ... no boredom, suddenly.  Fred: seems you've really made a jump in your playing lately!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: heartshaped1 on November 17, 2019, 04:48:25 PM
Ah well I was very much in two minds about uploading this as there are already so many outstanding versions on this thread and I can hear all my mistakes ringing loud in my ears on this one, but then ToTM only keeps going if we all pitch in and I haven't done one for AGES so here it is to add to the merry throng!

Thanks to all who've posted their versions so far and inspired me to pick up the box and join you!

https://youtu.be/hFHdTlZ1JUs

Featuring the 'probably' oak melodeon mentioned in the oak melodeons thread recently, for those who are interested!

(excuse the massive hand at the end, couldn't be bothered with editing!)

Vicky.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: playandteach on November 17, 2019, 06:06:46 PM
You're right about everyone needing to have a go now and then - which is what worries me when there's feedback of the tips for improvement type. As you also said, we normally know our own flaws, despite uploading it anyway.
Good to see you on here again. It took me a while to work out what I was hearing - that D major chord is a nice bright moment. Good steady pace too.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Earl Bryce on November 18, 2019, 05:43:31 AM
Thank you for the warm welcome!
I refuse to believe you've only been at that for a month!
I find it hard to believe you've only had an instrument for a month.
As much as it would be wonderful to be that talented, I've been playing piano accordion for a few years, so even though I'm new to the diatonic setup, there are some transferable skills. I've totally fallen for everything about the diatonic accordion though, "natural percussion" and all hahaha.

Vicky, that possibly oak melodeon is beautiful! It sounds lovely too, and you play it very well. I like the accents you do on the left hand side, it's a good rhythm
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Little Eggy on November 18, 2019, 10:46:00 AM
Here goes with my first bash at a TotM. 

https://youtu.be/ERhNyH0q2Os

I've been playing about three years - mostly English Morris - so this was a bit of a challenge.

Better bellows control, more row crossing to smooth it out definitely needed.

But it's a lovely tune to play.  Played on my Emmanuelle Pariselle D/G (from Theo).
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Julian S on November 18, 2019, 11:26:53 AM
Having just spent the best part of an hour recording and discarding versions I am full of admiration of all who have posted !
I know it is easy to be over critical of ones own playing but I am getting thoroughly depressed at how bad a tune I think I know very well can sound when I record it. So many errors, particularly rushing notes - and inevitably speeding up. Very irritating ! Definitely time for the metronome.

J
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: fc diato on November 18, 2019, 11:58:29 AM
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Better bellows control, more row crossing to smooth it out definitely neededYou’re being hard on yourself. Great first outing! The bellows control thing will suddenly ‘click’ and fix itself some day.  Though there are a few past threads here on that issue that have lots of useful suggestions. Or so I found.

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I am getting thoroughly depressed at how bad a tune I think I know very well can sound when I record it.Yes!  Well known phenomenon. But usually, it's not as bad as you think. Listen to what you recorded after a few days: you might be surprised.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Anahata on November 18, 2019, 03:03:45 PM
usually, it's not as bad as you think. Listen to what you recorded after a few days: you might be surprised.

Good advice, which reflects my experience frequently.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: playandteach on November 18, 2019, 06:26:59 PM
Having just spent the best part of an hour recording and discarding versions I am full of admiration of all who have posted !
I know it is easy to be over critical of ones own playing but I am getting thoroughly depressed at how bad a tune I think I know very well can sound when I record it. So many errors, particularly rushing notes - and inevitably speeding up. Very irritating ! Definitely time for the metronome.

J
I have lower expectations. Makes for a happier existence. Julian, you are one of the most secure players here, so spare a thought for the rest of us.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Dick Rees on November 18, 2019, 06:57:59 PM
usually, it's not as bad as you think. Listen to what you recorded after a few days: you might be surprised.

Good advice, which reflects my experience frequently.

Mine as well.  A Norwegian friend characterized such time-based objectivity as "letting it ripen".

Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Julian S on November 18, 2019, 07:08:19 PM
Definitely like the idea of letting it ripen. Might just try doing a recording after a couple of glasses and some mature Epoisses fromage ! Bound to improve the playing...  >:E

J
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Dick Rees on November 18, 2019, 07:19:37 PM
Definitely like the idea of letting it ripen. Might just try doing a recording after a couple of glasses and some mature Epoisses fromage ! Bound to improve the playing...  >:E

J

I've found that if I record s l o w l y , I'm more likely to find the groove and establish a rock-steady tempo.  Once found, it's possible to take the tempo up while keeping the feeling intact and avoid the speeding problem.  Personally, I find it necessary to have worked up the tune in a manner in which the bellows (both breathing and dynamics) is comfortable enough that I'm "bellows surfing" rather than "bellows wrestling".
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Kon on November 20, 2019, 10:53:51 PM
Here's my attempt - not quite rock steady, but I'm reasonably happy with it. Apologies for middling sound quality and slightly out-of-tune box!

This is my first contribution to TOTM, and my first tune I had to figure the bass accompaniment out for myself. I would love to learn how to make the bass line a bit fancier, but I'm afraid I'm not quite there yet. All feedback welcome!

https://youtu.be/PatGfTQtF_E
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: playandteach on November 20, 2019, 10:59:10 PM
Well played, nice and secure. I don't think there's any need for critical feedback - it's clearly competent and a good reflection of your progress so far.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: heartshaped1 on November 21, 2019, 07:30:48 AM
Kon, very well done, it sounds like you’re making excellent progress. As I’m sure most people who’ve given this a go will probably agree, this tune is trickier than it looks or sounds and keeping the tempo stable is particularly tricky. I think you’ve done very well on both counts and it was lovely to hear, thanks for posting!

Vicky
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Nigel on November 21, 2019, 08:25:20 AM
Hi Kon. The quality is not surprising - you were a natural player when you started to play the box. So, nice playing and...nice box.  (:)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Kon on November 21, 2019, 10:07:34 AM
Thanks for the encouraging comments P&T, Vicky and Nigel!

And yes, it is a nice box, thanks Nigel! I'm still very happy with it. I'll get it tuned soon, there is one note on the G row in particular that has drifted a little bit off course, but it hasn't tempered my enjoyment playing at all - especially as it's in such good shape mechanically.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Helena Handcart on November 23, 2019, 07:52:13 AM
I'm really enjoying all your submissions for this one - and I do love the tune. I'm going to make a recording myself but it will probably be a late submission, I found my dream box recently and I want to use that but just now it's off at the melodeon hospital until at least next weekend.

Keep 'em coming guys.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: playandteach on November 23, 2019, 11:56:06 AM
What is your dream box?
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Julian S on November 23, 2019, 07:15:39 PM
At long last I recorded a version I was at least partly happy with - but the tune I paired it with didn't pass muster ! Grrr.
I don't think I have ever spent so much time working on a tune - not so much with the aim of 'get it xxxxxxx right' but as a vehicle to overcome basic flaws in my playing. Whether I can apply this learning more generally is another matter of course...
One more attempt to do better ( perhaps )

J



Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Clive Williams on November 23, 2019, 07:38:34 PM
Here we go; here's my take

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U89EBcklOC0

Played on a Hohner Preciosa in Bb/Eb (on the inside row, so we're in F minor).

I've been playing this tune for so long, I found it quite hard to do a different take on it - for the curious, I've already recorded my typical way of playing it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5_-ZfY38gs

That was recorded 8 years ago, and my standard way of playing it hasn't really changed at all (gosh!). Hence the new version - not completely convinced, but it might be an interesting starting point.

Cheers,

Clive
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Julian S on November 25, 2019, 11:57:23 AM
I have really got to move on...so here is my latest attempt, can't see much improvement likely at my age...but will keep trying !

https://youtu.be/s3qmsEmmPp8

Julian
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Anahata on November 25, 2019, 09:52:53 PM
Here's mine:

Derrière Les Carreaux (https://youtu.be/pkjBMnA8qtg)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: playandteach on November 25, 2019, 10:09:38 PM
Here's mine:

Derrière Les Carreaux (https://youtu.be/pkjBMnA8qtg)
I always look forward to your uploads, great control.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: forrest on November 28, 2019, 01:35:34 AM
 What a great variety of performances so far! I have just spent the last three months moving, and it's great to start sorting out the music again. Here's one more to the batch...https://youtu.be/SOOiu6p82D8 (https://youtu.be/SOOiu6p82D8)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on November 29, 2019, 11:18:49 AM
and here's mine.
Including a late contribution to last month's theme.
https://soundcloud.com/greg-bradfield-smith/derrier-les-carreaux
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: playandteach on November 29, 2019, 11:37:48 AM
Both are lovely. Very light sounding.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on November 29, 2019, 12:13:39 PM
Both are lovely. Very light sounding.

If you mean me, thank you. ;D

I realised early that I wasn't to come up with a thoughtful moody melodic version, so I went for something different.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on November 29, 2019, 02:38:23 PM
I have really got to move on...so here is my latest attempt, can't see much improvement likely at my age...but will keep trying !
https://youtu.be/s3qmsEmmPp8

Julian
Thanks for that, Julian, lovely cross rowing. What's happening on the excursions to the helper row? Seems really complex.
I think you're wrong, by the way, improvement keeps happening.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Julian S on November 29, 2019, 03:36:30 PM
Thanks for your very kind comments Greg - much appreciated.
 I have two different versions of the tune - one taught by Andy Cutting in a workshop (can't remember where or when), and the original dots and recording by Frederic Paris- so I think I was mixing them up a bit and using my D and E reversals and D# on the helper row as well. The main challenge I found was avoiding speeding up - particularly when cross rowing, and when I tried adding a second tune my speed control went out of the window.
I found a great recording by Greg Jolivet and Andy C somewhere - fast but so well controlled - must post a link.

Julian
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Julian S on November 29, 2019, 03:38:19 PM
And here are Greg and Andy pairing Carreaux with Mominette...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vlUGzykzN3s

J
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: playandteach on November 29, 2019, 07:04:07 PM
Thanks for your very kind comments Greg - much appreciated.
The main challenge I found was avoiding speeding up - particularly when cross rowing, and when I tried adding a second tune my speed control went out of the window.
I found a great recording by Greg Jolivet and Andy C somewhere - fast but so well controlled - must post a link.
Julian
I play table tennis a lot. Every match there's someone whose game I can't handle, but my team mates beat them easily, then I beat other opponents who my team mates struggle with. I think it's the same with tunes - I've heard you play in the flesh and I can't hope to have the same command, but then a tune that suits my style comes up and I can't see why others find it harder than the stuff they can play all day long. I admire your contributions here, especially the ones you are frustrated by - because of the openness to share things that you are personally less satisfied with. Sometimes our less polished performances are more encouraging than the brilliant ones.
Keep it up. I do have lots of strategies for practising out flaws (none of which I use, because the melodeon is for me a relax tool rather than a work one) but if you ever want to talk about how to break a skill down, I'm happy to help. I suspect you and most others here already know them though.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on November 29, 2019, 08:27:24 PM
And here are Greg and Andy pairing Carreaux with Mominette...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vlUGzykzN3s

J

 ;D ;D ;D

I wish. Maybe I'll get to play them with at Halsway, next year.

[I used the recording you posted a lot when I was learning Mominette, aka Schottische a Bethany.]
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Gena Crisman on November 29, 2019, 09:15:03 PM
Been taking a bit of a break from TotM (and a lot of internet things really), decided to pop back for this one since I quite liked some of the early reference recordings, but, not others - this recording by (I think?) La Chavannée shared by Steve Freereeder (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSSP6Ir7ans&feature=youtu.be&t=139) was largely inspirational to me in terms of actually becoming smitten with the tune. Really love the alternative melodies they play, and a drone seems to really suit the tune. I didn't do any of that though, I just thought it was cool.

What really got me though is that everyone seems so keen to play this tune quite quickly? Also, I really have no idea what a schottische is or how to approach one, so, I mostly just went with what felt good to me. I also played around a bit with my chords and playing basses that don't necessarily go with the chords, a bit of right hand chording, Em/C -> D/C -> Bm -> Am -> Bm -> Em sounded pretty nice, and lets me sell my right hand side chord intro. Low G scale is great and all but sadly offers you nothing to play under your E besides the low C, but that feeds nicely into the above sequence. Also, for fun and a bit of ending flavour, the final B runs with the chords G -> Am -> Bm -> C -> D -> Em, a nice ascending bit of nonsense. I'd like to be building more difference repeat to repeat, rather than feeling like I came up with one good idea that I just play over and over, which I battled with here a bit, but I think there's still room for improving my arrangements. Actually spending any time on coming up with an arrangement is probably worthwhile, rather than just seat-of-pantsing it on the evening of recording.

The tune doesn't really 'go' to a lot of places, and after finishing the recording I did worry I'd accidentally played a part an extra time but, I don't think I did? Having listened through a few times now, I haven't noticed it, but, there's still a chance I've made a mistake I suppose!

Anyway, here we go:
Derriere les Carreaux
https://youtu.be/u9RNBGm8W5Q
nb - apparently I have a squeak in my box that rather mars this recording, disappointingly

Stop settings:
everything's on!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Anahata on November 29, 2019, 11:59:43 PM
this recording by (I think?) La Chavannée shared by Steve Freereeder (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSSP6Ir7ans&feature=youtu.be&t=139) was largely inspirational to me in terms of actually becoming smitten with the tune.

Thanks for posting that link again, which reassured me that my version wasn't necessarily too slow.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Gary Chapin on November 30, 2019, 12:35:41 AM
This tune has been kicking my butt all month. I will post eventually, but it will be late. I don't know why, but some tunes I become obsessive about because there's an indescribable tricky something to them.

I appreciate everyone's posting. It has been inspirational, as always.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Saul Bailey on November 30, 2019, 01:01:23 PM
What really got me though is that everyone seems so keen to play this tune quite quickly? Also, I really have no idea what a schottische is or how to approach one, so, I mostly just went with what felt good to me.

It just feels natural to some of us to play it quickly - the beauty is that we can all play it the way we want to hear it, so we'll all play it differently. I think the diversity should be celebrated rather than questioned...
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Gena Crisman on November 30, 2019, 02:28:24 PM
It just feels natural to some of us to play it quickly - the beauty is that we can all play it the way we want to hear it, so we'll all play it differently. I think the diversity should be celebrated rather than questioned...

Ah, well, I do like to question everything. Probably the justification for that is some tired concept of it being 'important to understand, as well as celebrate', I suppose.

Given your taking the time to quote me however, and my likely very fallible reading of subtext, I feel the need to apologise in case that part of my post (and my earlier one upthread) brought with them the implication that I was asking "why is everyone playing this tune in this [obviously wrong] way?" and that they ought to stop it - that certainly would not be my intent.

Instead, I'd intended to include my observation there as it had been part of what the fueled me to learn to play the tune, so I could play it in the vein of how I'd want to hear it - so, just as you say. I do like to 'show my work' in my TotM posts, and describe how I arrive at the conclusions I make, and that usually includes my journey of interacting with the tune/s. And in this case, it turns out I'm a significant outlier when it comes to the tempo - which personally I find fascinating, so, hooray for diversity? It was in no way meant as a besmirchment upon anyone else
(edit; ), it was just an offhand, somewhat surprised, observation.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Anahata on November 30, 2019, 03:45:36 PM
Also, I really have no idea what a schottische is or how to approach one, so, I mostly just went with what felt good to me.

Find your nearest French Dance group and get somebody to teach you how to dance a Schottiche (Scottish, as the French call it) The basic steps are quite easy and all you need in order to get a  feel for the correct speed (or range of speeds).

You don't have to play it at dance speed, of course, but at least then if you choose not to, you are making an informed decision.
Also by knowing the dance, you get the shape of the 4-bar sequence, where the important beats are, because your feet have been there, and then you'll know how to make a tune sound like a Schottische.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Winston Smith on November 30, 2019, 08:30:49 PM
Interesting Anahata. But, if it's French and they pronounce it "Scottish", then why do I hear it pronounced as "Shoteesh" (well, more or less!) here in England?
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: playandteach on November 30, 2019, 08:54:11 PM
Don't get me started on French Horn and Cor Anglais. Actually, that is an interesting distinction.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Anahata on November 30, 2019, 09:04:05 PM
If it's French and they pronounce it "Scottish", then why do I hear it pronounced as "Shoteesh" (well, more or less!) here in England?

A good question!
Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schottische) has it in many languages, and most of them (as far as I can tell) pronounce it the way we do.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Jesse Smith on November 30, 2019, 09:36:02 PM
In Old Time American I have heard it pronounced like "shoddish".
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Earl Bryce on November 30, 2019, 09:36:28 PM
Having a dance that goes along with a song is a new concept to me, but I like how it adds another layer of depth to a tune and another way to look at tunes in different and creative ways. Some of us naturally hear this tune fast, some slow, but being able to approach it with the intention of playing it as a polka or a hornpipe for example helps open your mind to new ways of playing.

How many of you on here dance these tunes, or at least know the dances that accompany them?
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for November 2019: Derriere les Carreaux
Post by: Clive Williams on December 01, 2019, 07:24:54 AM
Thanks everyone - great selection this month! Onto the next tune; as ever please post late contributions here on the end
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