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Title: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Clive Williams on October 31, 2019, 10:32:07 PM
Return of this simple theme this month folks; hornpipes. Any old kind; those English and Irish things in 4/4, those wonderful 3/2 things, whatever - there's loads of these waiting to be played - looking forward to hearing what you have!

Cheers,

Clive
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Winston Smith on November 01, 2019, 01:04:47 AM
Hi Clive, for those of us (or maybe it's just me!) who couldn't tell a hornpipe from from a drainpipe, how about one or two sound files of the genre to help us on our way?
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Jesse Smith on November 01, 2019, 01:27:13 AM
Hi Clive, for those of us (or maybe it's just me!) who couldn't tell a hornpipe from from a drainpipe, how about one or two sound files of the genre to help us on our way?

Now, there's a can of worms... ;D
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: tirpous on November 01, 2019, 03:36:34 AM
Quote
Now, there's a can of worms...

Wormpipe  ??  >:E
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Lester on November 01, 2019, 07:24:31 AM
Hi Clive, for those of us (or maybe it's just me!) who couldn't tell a hornpipe from from a drainpipe, how about one or two sound files of the genre to help us on our way?


Go HERE (https://lesters-tune-a-day.blogspot.com/p/tune-index.html) and search for Hornpipe, there are 13.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Helena Handcart on November 01, 2019, 08:11:19 AM
Hi Clive, for those of us (or maybe it's just me!) who couldn't tell a hornpipe from from a drainpipe, how about one or two sound files of the genre to help us on our way?

Or just search for anything with 'hornpipe' in the name. That's usually a clue.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: David Summers on November 01, 2019, 09:51:48 AM
Hole in the Wall is a beautiful one (but hard), here is a version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTuIKt21ffw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTuIKt21ffw) done on piano accordion and fiddle.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: folkbluesnbeyond on November 01, 2019, 11:20:20 AM
Evening Star (Martha's Comet): why let a cracking hornpipe go to waste. We saw 'Martha Rhoden's...' dance this at Shrewsbury this year,  posted at https://youtu.be/EWh4mw_zZtE , the tune has been on the 'to do' pile since then. 

I was delighted to be motivated to have a knoodle pending this month's TotM, (sadly it was an 'also ran'). D/G, (with an A part inadvertantly added. Better left than obviously edited), and D four stop. Shared for fun pending a possible further post in this category later in the month. The B part has a fairly long stretch, which could be a 'jump', my fingers just made it. Played at rather slower hornpipe speed than the professionals!

https://youtu.be/reeotDV640M

All the best

Bill
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on November 01, 2019, 12:15:35 PM
Hi Clive, for those of us (or maybe it's just me!) who couldn't tell a hornpipe from from a drainpipe, how about one or two sound files of the genre to help us on our way?

This is definitely a can of wriggly worms but I'll try a poke around.

There are two classes of hornpipe. Basically,  the 3/2 and the 4/4 (though both may be notated with other, related time signatures). Both types can be played slower, or faster. Both types, but especially 4/4, can be played with or without swing (de,de,de,de, as opposed to dumpty, dumpty, dumpty and anything in between).

An example of a fairly fast 3/2 hornpipe, which you might be familiar with, sung by Alan Price. Note that you can count 1...2...3 to it. Some might argue it's not really a hornpipe, but it's near enough to give an idea what a fastish 3/2 sounds like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzn-RrfsPgQ

Examples of 4/4 hornpipes are very common. Try these (they don't have to be played as fast as this. They're equally valid played a lot slower):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r-CACXJUi4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vXlxLRt2B8
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Jesse Smith on November 01, 2019, 12:45:31 PM
What (if anything) do you think is the defining feature of hornpipes? Setting aside the older 3/2 hornpipes, I would say the following about 4/4 hornpipes:
The thing is, I have seen hornpipes that disregard all of these rules, and I have also seen tunes with "hornpipe" in the name that I would not have categorized as hornpipes otherwise.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Jesse Smith on November 01, 2019, 12:47:13 PM
Evening Star (Martha's Comet): why let a cracking hornpipe go to waste. We saw 'Martha Rhoden's...' dance this at Shrewsbury this year,  posted at https://youtu.be/EWh4mw_zZtE , the tune has been on the 'to do' pile since then.

I was glad to hear the dance announced in the video as "Martha's Comet". The liner notes of the Sheepskins album have it as "Martha's Cornet" (as in a horn), which I thought might be a typesetting error by someone misreading a handwritten list of titles. Glad to have it confirmed!
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on November 01, 2019, 12:51:05 PM
fwiw, I have heard hornpipes described as tunes to trot a horse to.

... I have also seen tunes with "hornpipe" in the name that I would not have categorized as hornpipes otherwise.

Do you have anything in particular in mind, Jesse?
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Anahata on November 01, 2019, 01:49:17 PM
... I have also seen tunes with "hornpipe" in the name that I would not have categorized as hornpipes otherwise.

Do you have anything in particular in mind, Jesse?

Perhaps the Whitefriars Hornpipe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeyiN-Xjah8), which is not obviously 3/2 or 4/4?
(The 1st part is 6½ bars of 4/4 or possibly a mixture of 4/4 and 3/2; the 2nd half does fit into 8 bars of 4/4, but the phrasing goes across the bar lines.)
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on November 01, 2019, 02:07:22 PM
..Perhaps the Whitefriars Hornpipe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeyiN-Xjah8), which is not obviously 3/2 or 4/4?
(The 1st part is 6½ bars of 4/4 or possibly a mixture of 4/4 and 3/2; the 2nd half does fit into 8 bars of 4/4, but the phrasing goes across the bar lines.)

 :-\
My head hurts, now...

Super playing, though.

Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Anahata on November 01, 2019, 02:20:02 PM
My head hurts, now...
One of the few tunes I recorded before Leveret did.
(JK was before that, though)
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Jesse Smith on November 01, 2019, 03:15:33 PM
Do you have anything in particular in mind, Jesse?

Here are a few that I would say are questionable hornpipes. Maybe the key is that they have phrases that end with three emphatic quarter note / crochets? That famous hornpipe rhythm that goes "He played his ukelele as the boat went down."

The Shepton Mallet Hornpipe
The Washington Hornpipe
The Tip-top Hornpipe
Waterman's Hornpipe
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Steve_freereeder on November 01, 2019, 04:14:00 PM
Do you have anything in particular in mind, Jesse?

Here are a few that I would say are questionable hornpipes. Maybe the key is that they have phrases that end with three emphatic quarter note / crochets? That famous hornpipe rhythm that goes "He played his ukelele as the boat went down."

The Shepton Mallet Hornpipe
The Washington Hornpipe
The Tip-top Hornpipe
Waterman's Hornpipe
Don't understand what you're objecting to. All of those are real, proper, paid-up hornpipes. Perhaps there is a mis-match in understanding of what a hornpipe means, depending on which side of the mid-Atlantic Ridge you are on?  >:E
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Jesse Smith on November 01, 2019, 04:30:59 PM
Don't understand what you're objecting to. All of those are real, proper, paid-up hornpipes. Perhaps there is a mis-match in understanding of what a hornpipe means, depending on which side of the mid-Atlantic Ridge you are on?  >:E

Well, I don't know that it has anything to do with the Atlantic; I'm sure it's more just down to lack of experience. But take "Waterman's Hornpipe" for example. What makes this a "paid-up hornpipe"? (I'm sure it is, but I'm just not sure what exactly makes it so.) The time signature meanders around from 5/2 to 2/2 to 3/2, and the tune is played straight rather than swung. It doesn't really have the classic "tumpty tumpty tum tum tum" ending, although I guess it has a few "tum tum"s at the ends of several phrases.

It just seems like the definitive of "hornpipe" is a very loose, "I know it when I hear it" sort of thing.

I'd better start practicing a hornpipe to contribute to this thread instead of just filling it with all this theoretical waffle!
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Steve_freereeder on November 01, 2019, 05:13:56 PM
But take "Waterman's Hornpipe" for example. What makes this a "paid-up Hornpipe"? (I'm sure it is, but I'm just not sure what exactly makes it so. The time signature meanders around from 5/2 to 2/2 to 3/2, and the tune is played straight rather than swung. It doesn't really have the classic "tumpty tumpty tum tum tum" ending, although I guess it has a few "tum tum"s at the ends of several phrases.

It just seems like the definitive of "hornpipe" is a very loose, "I know it when I hear it" sort of thing.

Yes - The Waterman's Hornpipe is unusual with its irregular time signatures. That might be partly due to the idiosyncratic playing of Shetland fiddler, John Stickle, from whom the tune was collected in 1947 (it says on the Brass Monkey CD sleeve notes). But I can't say for sure. Perhaps that's just how the tune goes. Rejoice in its weirdness!  (:)

Hornpipes don't have to be dotted/swung. I recall having read or been told that dotted hornpipes didn't really come into fashion until the 19th century. Prior to that, they were mainly straight. Two of my absolute favourites are the glorious Savage Hornpipe played here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LJk2cMzTA0) by Blozabella, and Stoney Steps Hornpipe, played here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MJLh_Wzh9E) by our own Anahata. I must say I find the straight hornpipes far more satisfying than the dotted sort.

If you want a really good but succinct collection of English straight hornpipes I can heartily recommend the late Barry Callaghan's tunebook 'Hardcore English (https://uk.patronbase.com/_EFDSS/Store/Item?id=26)' where there are several pages of them together with notes about sources.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on November 01, 2019, 05:57:44 PM
Square time (4/4, 2/4 etc) Hornpipes can definitely be swung or not swung, or anywhere in between. Fast or slow and any speed in between. They can have flavours that come from the culture of whoever wrote it (national or local), or who is playing it. Many hornpipes are interpreted differently by different people and in different places.

What makes a tune a hornpipe? They have characteristic types of phrase (like the tum...tum...tum at the end), but they definitely don't have to have it. They often have triplets, but they don't have to have them. Just to complicate things further, reels can sometimes be played as hornpipes and hornpipes as reels. It's really a rhythmic thing

A mathematician, somewhere used  this guide, which works up to a point:
Jigs go "calculus calculus"
Reels go "logarithm logarithm"
Hornpipes go "cosine tangent secant angle"
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: malcolmbebb on November 01, 2019, 06:18:33 PM
So, just the trigs of the trade then?
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: GPS on November 01, 2019, 06:20:16 PM
A mathematician, somewhere used  this guide, which works up to a point:

So shouldn't jigs go "decimal decimal decimal decimal"?

Sorry, couldn't resist ........
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on November 01, 2019, 07:34:15 PM
As I understand, a hornpipe was a tune played on a horn pipe.
When people danced to it, a step type dance, not a social dance,  they danced a hornpipe.

A famous actor in London in the 1600's was playing a sailor in the theatre production, and when he danced, he danced a hornpipe. The hornpipe was thus ever linked to sailors.
Back to the tunes.....
Q
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on November 01, 2019, 07:39:33 PM
A mathematician, somewhere used  this guide, which works up to a point:

So shouldn't jigs go "decimal decimal decimal decimal"?

Sorry, couldn't resist ........

That'll be double jigs.

Single jigs go: 1 off, 1 off, now I've got two of them.
[Actually, that must be a double jig as well]
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Clive Williams on November 01, 2019, 08:14:26 PM
Hi Clive, for those of us (or maybe it's just me!) who couldn't tell a hornpipe from from a drainpipe, how about one or two sound files of the genre to help us on our way?

As ever, please interpret the theme as loosely as you can; anything even slightly related to a hornpipe counts. That can mean any tune which actually is, anything you *suspect*  is, or anything with hornpipe in the title which quite blatantly isn't. All is good!
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: David Summers on November 03, 2019, 12:31:12 PM
Another though, what about 'Our Cat has Kitted' a Joseph Kershaw tune, based on Cheshire Rounds.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: GPS on November 03, 2019, 01:15:45 PM
Part of the problem with what constitutes a "hornpipe" is that the term actually denotes a dance, not a tune, and over the last couple of centuries has been used in various contexts to mean a number of different dance genres in a number of time-signatures.  No simple answer, I'm afraid......

Graham
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on November 03, 2019, 02:02:34 PM
Part of the problem with what constitutes a "hornpipe" is that the term actually denotes a dance, not a tune

you could  go further and say it is a tune tune played upon a particular musical instrument. Once common.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: GPS on November 03, 2019, 02:45:06 PM
Part of the problem with what constitutes a "hornpipe" is that the term actually denotes a dance, not a tune

you could  go further and say it is a tune tune played upon a particular musical instrument. Once common.

True - in which case almost any tune could qualify!!  ;D
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on November 03, 2019, 05:34:10 PM
Part of the problem with what constitutes a "hornpipe" is that the term actually denotes a dance, not a tune

you could  go further and say it is a tune tune played upon a particular musical instrument. Once common.

True - in which case almost any tune could qualify!!  ;D

But only when it's played on a hornpipe.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Steve_freereeder on November 03, 2019, 05:36:41 PM
Another though, what about 'Our Cat has Kitted' a Joseph Kershaw tune, based on Cheshire Rounds.
What about it? it's a great triple time (3/2) hornpipe. So yes - it's a hornpipe!  (:)
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Hugh Taylor on November 03, 2019, 06:12:10 PM
I'm amazed at this discussion of what constitutes a hornpipe. Surely we don't need to define one, and equally surely we can all recognise one when we hear one. I can't remember a discussion on what constitutes a jig, though I remember starting a thread on the difference between a polka, rant, schottische, and reel. 
For those who want some historical information, check out this piece on the Triple Time Hornpipe from 15150 to 1800 by Pete Stewart -
https://www.academia.edu/1492605/The_triple_Time_Hornpipe
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Eshed on November 03, 2019, 07:01:26 PM
...and equally surely we can all recognise one when we hear one.
:-[ I'm really not sure I can.
I can recgonise time signatures which makes jigs quite obvious (ignoring slides), but regular hornpipes are an entirely different matter.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: playandteach on November 03, 2019, 08:09:59 PM
...and equally surely we can all recognise one when we hear one.
:-[ I'm really not sure I can.
I can recgonise time signatures which makes jigs quite obvious (ignoring slides), but regular hornpipes are an entirely different matter.
I'm with Eshed here. As it happens, what makes a hornpipe isn't something that bothers me, but I applaud people for keeping on asking until they get something they understand. I remember asking a friend of mine about recipes for making your own fresh pasta, and he said you don't need a recipe, it's obvious. But when I asked about double 00 flour, or whether there's any oil, just water etc. he said, 'haven't got a clue, my wife makes it'. I got my recipe, but never mastered making it well enough to want to eat it.
So far it seems there is no definitive answer to what makes a hornpipe a hornpipe, so it was a better question than it might have appeared.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Clive Williams on November 03, 2019, 08:31:13 PM
They're quite different from tradition to tradition, so no, there is no easy definition. I would say an Irish hornpipe is quite a different feel to an English one, for example. But really, you're overthinking things people! :-) Do whatever you think appropriate to the theme.

But since we're asking, I define tune types by examples of tunes of that style, so L'Inconnu for mazurkas, La Marianne for waltzes, and (thinks...) Lemmie Brazil's No. 2 for the hop-step style of english hornpipe.

Cheers,

Clive
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: smiley on November 03, 2019, 10:00:56 PM
Here's a hornpipe that was played for step dancing in the nineteenth century and had been handed down to Kath McCaughey from her mother.  Kath called it a 'Breakdown' when she was recorded in old age playing the tune on melodeon in northern NSW by Dave de Hugard. Evidently competitive step dancing was very popular right up until the 1940's in Australia and at times a musician would need to play these tunes quite flat and fast until a winner was eventually decided.

I'm playing the tune to suit a hornpipe danced by Irish set dancers. Sorry about the button clacking on my 1930's Hohner Erika D/G - I should do something about that I suppose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEAykL20v24 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEAykL20v24)
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Steve_freereeder on November 03, 2019, 11:33:13 PM
and (thinks...) Lemmie Brazil's No. 2 for the hop-step style of english hornpipe.
No it's not - it's a schottische!  >:E
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Stiamh on November 04, 2019, 12:15:04 AM
Here's a hornpipe that was played for step dancing in the nineteenth century and had been handed down to Kath McCaughey from her mother.  Kath called it a 'Breakdown' when she was recorded in old age playing the tune on melodeon in northern NSW by Dave de Hugard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEAykL20v24 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEAykL20v24)

Thank you. A charming wee tune, nicely played, and very danceable I'd say.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Clive Williams on November 04, 2019, 10:03:45 AM
and (thinks...) Lemmie Brazil's No. 2 for the hop-step style of english hornpipe.
No it's not - it's a schottische!  >:E

Oh you :-)
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Theo on November 04, 2019, 01:30:44 PM
Even setting 3/2s aside there is not just one type of hornpipe.  The Tyneside dotted hornpipe is quite distinctive, but some of the non-dotted style can easily become more like Scottiches or reels if played a bit faster.  Some have hornpipe in the name but are often played in another style,  Winshields hornpipe is an example.  There are also regional differences in the way they are played.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: folkbluesnbeyond on November 06, 2019, 03:31:53 PM
The Sunshine Hornpipe: from recollection this entered my inbox via the playing of Steve (Skip) Shipley a couple of years ago. (One of my favourite melodeon players). Good to have an excuse to blow the dust off, however gently.

https://youtu.be/Jrph61x5U0I

All the best

Bill



Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on November 06, 2019, 09:35:50 PM
Lovely Bill, really relaxed and nicely played.
Thank you!
Q
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on November 23, 2019, 03:52:56 PM
Here's a dotted hornpipe from me, The Flying Dutchman.

https://soundcloud.com/thrupenny-bit/the-flying-dutchman

It's one of James Hill's, the amazing 19th Century hornpipe writer from Tyneside.
Apologies to those local to Tyneside, as it's played with a Devonshire accent  ;)
cheers
Q
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Clive Williams on November 23, 2019, 07:42:20 PM
Over enthusiastic as ever, 3 hornpipes here, all on the Albrecht Lilliput in G/C. I've recorded them as separate videos rather than trying to glue them together into one set...

Off to California - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xrBR9PYdf0

Country Gardens - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywX7DHCxwoo

Mr Gubbins' Bicycle - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR9nDUMFjxc

The first one, I've already recorded (oops), but it's much better on the G/C than my original effort. Mr Gubbins' Bicycle is a John Kirkpatrick tune of course.

Cheers,

Clive
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on November 24, 2019, 09:18:14 AM
Thanks for posting those Clive, I think Off to California is my favourite. Particularly enjoyed that one, and the Albrecht Lilliput sounds fabulous!
Q
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on November 24, 2019, 09:51:57 AM
Here's a dotted hornpipe from me, The Flying Dutchman.

https://soundcloud.com/thrupenny-bit/the-flying-dutchman


Proper job! I do like James Hill's tunes.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on November 24, 2019, 09:58:59 AM
Thanks Greg.
Yep, I too have enjoyed James Hill's tunes since being introduced to them during my early concertina workshops with Ali Anderson. He wrote some absolute stonking tunes!
Q
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Ellisteph on November 24, 2019, 10:45:25 AM
Over enthusiastic as ever, 3 hornpipes here, all on the Albrecht Lilliput in G/C. I've recorded them as separate videos rather than trying to glue them together into one set...

Off to California - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xrBR9PYdf0

Country Gardens - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywX7DHCxwoo

Mr Gubbins' Bicycle - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR9nDUMFjxc

The first one, I've already recorded (oops), but it's much better on the G/C than my original effort. Mr Gubbins' Bicycle is a John Kirkpatrick tune of course.

Cheers,

Clive
Three for the price of one! Nicely done Clive.
I seem to recall Mr. Gubbin's Bicycle with a slightly different B part. Must be the folk prcoess. Nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Squeaky Pete on November 24, 2019, 06:56:04 PM
Ok. I tried. First attempt at posting.
This was supposed to be Remember Me followed by the High Level as a James Hill double but I muffed the change.
In the editing I lost the last B music and found I'd uploaded it at the same time. I was starting to lose the will to live so I just left it.
https://youtu.be/uM57HFCDeW0
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: playandteach on November 24, 2019, 07:30:52 PM
Ok. I tried. First attempt at posting.
https://youtu.be/uM57HFCDeW0
Nice crisp playing, and I take it that's your Pariselle - which sounds great.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Ellisteph on November 25, 2019, 10:15:19 AM
Ok. I tried. First attempt at posting.
This was supposed to be Remember Me followed by the High Level as a James Hill double but I muffed the change.
In the editing I lost the last B music and found I'd uploaded it at the same time. I was starting to lose the will to live so I just left it.
https://youtu.be/uM57HFCDeW0
This is a great tune Pete; I've only heard it played on the small pipes up to now so delighted to see it done on melodeon, and your rendition is really good. Definitely inspired me to have a go at it. Incidentally, I think it's usually attributed to Robert Whinham, another North-East fiddler.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Pete Dunk on November 25, 2019, 12:50:44 PM
Remember Me - The Fiddle Music of Robert Whinham (https://www.theladslikebeer.com/product-page/remember-me-book)
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Clive Williams on November 25, 2019, 01:12:34 PM
Three for the price of one! Nicely done Clive.
I seem to recall Mr. Gubbin's Bicycle with a slightly different B part. Must be the folk prcoess. Nothing wrong with that.

Thank you - you're quite probably right :-)
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Squeaky Pete on November 25, 2019, 02:12:07 PM
Thanks P&T and Ellisteph. It's a tune I know really well as it was my usual competition tune for smallpipes in the 70s.
I've played it in Morpeth, Alnwick, Newcasteton and a few others.
I should have looked it up to check who wrote it.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Anahata on November 25, 2019, 09:19:09 PM
Here's two hornpipes.
Jack The Horse Courser's and Iron legs (https://youtu.be/HfCnkG1mQMI)
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: playandteach on November 25, 2019, 10:13:26 PM
Here's two hornpipes.
Jack The Horse Courser's and Iron legs (https://youtu.be/HfCnkG1mQMI)
Can you list the rest of the recording set up - what do the mics go into (desk into laptop external soundcard?)
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on November 25, 2019, 10:24:35 PM
Thanks Anahata, lovely stuff and particularly like the first one.
Good stuff!
Q
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Anahata on November 25, 2019, 10:36:44 PM
Can you list the rest of the recording set up - what do the mics go into (desk into laptop external soundcard?)

Home studio: DAV BG-8 (8 channel) mic preamp, RME Multiface II (8 channels in, 8 out, external box connected to PCIe card) Full size PC running Ardour (http://ardour.org) on Linux.
The mics in that recording are Royer R10 ribbons.
It's an acoustically treated room, with entire suspended ceiling of 100mm thick mineral wool with 100mm air gap above it, assorted bass traps around the walls and a diffuser on the wall behind where I'm sitting to play.
I record the video with a camcorder (currently Panasonic HC-V260) and use Kdenlive (http://kdenlive.org) to edit the video and combine sound track with video, discarding the audio track from the camera.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: playandteach on November 25, 2019, 11:42:56 PM
Thanks. Do you have the laptop in the room with you - if so is there any fan noise?
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Anahata on November 26, 2019, 12:22:15 AM
It's not a laptop, it's an old fashioned desktop PC - actually a tower case on the floor under the desk. The case, an Antec P150, is designed for low noise. There are fans but they are all big and slow, hence very quiet, and there is some sound absorption under the desk to discourage reflection of fan noise into the room.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Clawhammer on November 26, 2019, 01:57:23 PM
"Thanks, Anahata"  said the American Bill CORSER (where did the letter "u" go?)
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Ellisteph on November 27, 2019, 03:29:58 PM
Here's what Clive calls 'one of those wonderful 3/2 things' - Downfall of the Gin from John Offord's book 'John of the Green the Cheshire Way' which I am slowly - very slowly - working my way through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R7_9n68Swg
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on November 27, 2019, 04:13:31 PM
Ellisteph: Well I'm blowed!
I thought I was the only one playing this tune, after a tip from Anahata that it was a good 'un.
Well done, and good to air our forgotten tunes.
cheers
Q
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Ellisteph on November 27, 2019, 06:45:04 PM
Ellisteph: Well I'm blowed!
I thought I was the only one playing this tune, after a tip from Anahata that it was a good 'un.
Well done, and good to air our forgotten tunes.
cheers
Q
Thanks very much - it was a challenge to learn, but been on my to do list for some time, and this month's theme gave me the impetus to put the time in. I should have explained that the tune is in Em in the book, but I'm playing it on my C/F in Dm because
a) my Salterelle D/G is poorly (going to take it to Theo in a couple of weeks)
b) One of my fiddle playing friends plays it in Dm

Cheers,
Ellis
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Thrupenny Bit on November 27, 2019, 07:33:14 PM
Yes, I play it on my DG in Em.
It is an odd tune and I quite think it can be quite doom laden, possibly reflected by the title!
cheers
Q
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Jesse Smith on November 30, 2019, 05:37:45 AM
The Steamboat Hornpipe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBMKpocdM40)

Here's my last minute entry, an old chestnut and a bit quick and dirty because I only learned it yesterday! I was working on a more complex tune for this month but it became clear I didn't have enough practice time to get it down by the end of the month. Then while I was noodling around the other day, this one fell under my fingers pretty quickly and I decided to give it a go. Played on the Hohner 114 as an excuse for not worrying about the chords, and audio only because it was recorded in "the engine room", aka my basement, amidst the pipes for the steam boiler!

(Actually, I think the four stopper is great for this tune, with the basses chugging away like a steam engine.)
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Eshed on November 30, 2019, 08:38:55 PM
Just in time!
Tumbler's Hornpipe - https://youtu.be/KArHWl0hap8
Third time through I've tried to do something fancy with the basses, immediate fumble ;D I took it as a sign that I should spare the neighbours from more takes.

Many thanks to Fred of this parish for getting this tune stuck in my brain.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Anahata on November 30, 2019, 08:56:46 PM
The Steamboat Hornpipe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBMKpocdM40)
(Actually, I think the four stopper is great for this tune, with the basses chugging away like a steam engine.)

Indeed, and your performance makes a convincing case for that view!
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Gena Crisman on November 30, 2019, 10:13:46 PM
A lot of great tunes & a lot of great playing! Hornpipes, especially of not 2/2 or 4/4 variety, is a bit of a knowledge gap for me, so I've taken a keen interest in this thread, but, have been a bit too busy to comment as things have gone along. So, better late than never, and in reverse chronological order:

Eshed - Tumbler's Hornpipe; Lovely, both in terms of playing and expressions. Still enjoying seeing the G box in action, and uh, your seemingly growing collection of instruments. Enjoying your bass and harmony work.

Jesse Smith - The Steamboat Hornpipe; I really enjoyed this, you're spot on about the 4 stop. Suits it to a T. I should really learn this tune, because it's neat and comes up somehow both more frequently and less frequently than I think.

Ellisteph - Downfall of the Gin; What an interesting tune! There really are a lot of Gin inspired tunes. Also very interesting to watch you play your way around your 3 row instrument there.

Anahata - Jack The Horse Courser's and Iron legs; This starts out so jolly! I love the brief departure to D that is somehow even more jolly! I think I've had the Iron Legs Hornpipes stuck in my head for like, several months, and didn't know what it was? Enjoyed the RHS harmony and bass work very much.

Squeaky Pete - Remember Me; Oooh I'm really quite surprised at how fond of this tune I have become after listening to your playing here, thank you for sharing it! You put a lovely lilt into it, and keep it even across the whole video, which is something I struggle to do, and admire!

Clive - all of the hornpipes; I get the impression you are a big fan of hornpipes! I enjoy (and have sometimes tried hard to imitate the sound of, in fact) your bass work for your more horn-pipey performances, and that's on show here. A nice selection of tunes, and all of them are lovely.

Thrupenny Bit - The Flying Dutchman; I like the way this tune moves around a lot! And, you accompany it very nicely!

folkbluesnbeyond - Sunshine Hornpipe; a neat tune, with some some pretty complicated bits to get your fingers around, in if my ears don't deceive me, that you played very well (and nice bass run)

smiley - Kath McCaughey's hornpipe; Lovely to watch you play all over your Erika's rows. Clacking rather suits the tune & your tasteful bass work.

folkbluesnbeyond - Martha's Comet; I can always appreciate good pinky work! Another really nice, and nice RHS chording.

Hopefully I didn't miss anyone out, I can assure you it won't have been on purpose.
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Fred on December 01, 2019, 12:36:05 AM
Just in time!
Tumbler's Hornpipe - https://youtu.be/KArHWl0hap8
Third time through I've tried to do something fancy with the basses, immediate fumble ;D I took it as a sign that I should spare the neighbours from more takes.

Many thanks to Fred of this parish for getting this tune stuck in my brain.

Glad you learned it, such a nice melody.

That ending though. Glorious. :D
Title: Re: Theme of the Month for November 2019: Hornpipes
Post by: Clive Williams on December 01, 2019, 07:26:58 AM
Thanks everyone - good month and great to see all the videos! Onto the next month; as ever please put any late contributions on the end here.
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