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Title: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Clive Williams on December 01, 2019, 07:24:14 AM
Hurrah! This tune finally won! One of my favourites!

Hunt the Squirrel  - a 32 bar straight down the line jig - here played by Saul Bailey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idZawIDMafs

Lester's put some ABC on his website here, along with a video of him playing it:

https://lesters-tune-a-day.blogspot.com/2013/06/tune-292-hunt-squirrel.html

Enjoy and happy Christmas!

Clive
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: folkbluesnbeyond on December 01, 2019, 08:18:38 AM
Hunting the Squirrel three ways:

https://youtu.be/HnccB2CBP0Y

ALl the best

Bill
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on December 01, 2019, 10:31:33 AM
Hunting the Squirrel three ways:

https://youtu.be/HnccB2CBP0Y

ALl the best

Bill

Very nicely played, as always.
The contrast between the boxes and your arrangements is really interesting.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Fred on December 01, 2019, 10:38:10 AM
Hunting the Squirrel three ways:

https://youtu.be/HnccB2CBP0Y

ALl the best

Bill

I liked the pepper sauce the best. Inventive!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Julian S on December 01, 2019, 11:47:35 AM
I recall there is more than one tune called Hunt the Squirrel...is it breaking the rules if we choose another ?

J
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Jesse Smith on December 01, 2019, 04:24:39 PM
I recall there is more than one tune called Hunt the Squirrel...is it breaking the rules if we choose another ?

I know of at least three other versions (a Morris dance tune, a version of this sped up as a hornpipe, and a version that reminds me of The Keel Row) and I think they are all derived from this original at varying distances. This version comes directly from Playford, I believe.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on December 01, 2019, 04:51:55 PM
This one's totally different to my ears.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9Y0_bKKqWI
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Lester on December 01, 2019, 04:55:39 PM
This one's totally different to my ears.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9Y0_bKKqWI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9Y0_bKKqWI)
That's the dance Hunt the Squirrel danced to the tune Newcastle

Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on December 01, 2019, 05:00:19 PM
This one's totally different to my ears.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9Y0_bKKqWI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9Y0_bKKqWI)
That's the dance Hunt the Squirrel danced to the tune Newcastle

Thank you Lester. Knew I'd heard it somewhere. Couldn't place ti. That's another feature of dance tunes though. They aren't always what it says on the tin.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Clive Williams on December 01, 2019, 06:25:59 PM
I recall there is more than one tune called Hunt the Squirrel...is it breaking the rules if we choose another ?

J

Not at all! Post whichever version you like :-)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: howard mitchell on December 02, 2019, 02:38:58 PM
Just straight-forward recording on my Saltarelle D/G LMM with thirds out. 

https://youtu.be/Pe6zzDSZOMQ (https://youtu.be/Pe6zzDSZOMQ)

Mitch
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Gary Chapin on December 02, 2019, 03:32:47 PM
I recall there is more than one tune called Hunt the Squirrel...is it breaking the rules if we choose another ?

There are rules?
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Fred on December 02, 2019, 08:33:33 PM
Just straight-forward recording on my Saltarelle D/G LMM with thirds out. 

https://youtu.be/Pe6zzDSZOMQ (https://youtu.be/Pe6zzDSZOMQ)

Mitch

Well, I found that rather superb.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: howard mitchell on December 03, 2019, 09:24:35 PM
Well, I found that rather superb.
Many thanks, you are too kind.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Julian S on December 04, 2019, 12:08:01 PM
Hunt(ing) The Squirrel. One of John Locke's tunes, and the last tune I danced to at a Shropshire Bedlams practice 20 or so years ago...I did my Achilles Tendon in mid - dance finally putting paid to my Morris dancing years. :-[
Complete with clackety buttons !

Hope the link works, don't seem to be able to upload to Youtube any more.
Next up, the Jig

https://www.amazon.co.uk/photos/share/l5ONw3PVDQAg9ahf56Bx6KRHbzssO5jFL8JOyLH8n85

J
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Julian S on December 04, 2019, 12:12:50 PM
And the jig...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/photos/share/KF2V48DfKBdbuVQV6dQYKFZgx2PzunPx5e9Tj6UPfhT

J
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Clive Williams on December 08, 2019, 11:44:49 AM
Here's my version, played in C on the Hohner Liliput G/C conversion by Kay Albrecht.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhUBo-BcAEc

Straight down the line version, I would say. Normally I'd play this in D, but I'm rather loving this box at the moment.

Cheers,

Clive
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Fred on December 10, 2019, 03:06:50 PM
Here's mine:

https://soundcloud.com/laubblaeser/20191210-hunt-the-squirrel

Played in C on Pariselle G/C workshop box

Little hickup on third way through. But maybe I was just catering to the more natural approach to recording that some melnet users prefer. ;-)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on December 10, 2019, 04:37:31 PM
Here's mine:

https://soundcloud.com/laubblaeser/20191210-hunt-the-squirrel

Played in C on Pariselle G/C workshop box

Little hickup on third way through. But maybe I was just catering to the more natural approach to recording that some melnet users prefer. ;-)

What hiccup?
More natural = more interesting to listen to and the variations are  great.
All good.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Eshed on December 12, 2019, 08:47:43 PM
Lovely playing Fred!  :||:
some melnet users prefer. ;-)
Guilty as charged!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Anahata on December 12, 2019, 11:41:47 PM
Two Versions of Hunt The Squirrel (https://youtu.be/4i_P71SMv_k), both from Playford's Dancing Master.

Edit: the first one is from Playford, the second one probably isn't (as discussed below)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Jesse Smith on December 13, 2019, 02:15:50 PM
Two Versions of Hunt The Squirrel (https://youtu.be/4i_P71SMv_k), both from Playford's Dancing Master.

Do you have a link or reference in Playford for the second version (the hornpipe)? That's the version I am working on for this month. I have it from Cecil Sharp's "Country Dance Tunes" published in 1909 and didn't realize it also went back to Playford like the "original" (which was first published in Walsh's "Compleat Country Dancing Master" IIRC before appearing in a later edition of Playford).
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Anahata on December 13, 2019, 02:48:16 PM
Folktunefinder.com (http://www.folktunefinder.com/tunes/23183) has it, and gives this as a source:
http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/mirror/home.quicknet.nl/england.abc
The original link, of which that is a mirror, is also listed on the folktunefinder page but is dead now.
It's a big file of which I have had a copy for years.
The headers claim Playford in the ABC which I've copied below.

I have to say that rhythms like this are unusual in Playford, so that may be completely wrong.

X:2732
T: Hunt the Squirrel
O:england
M:4/4
L:1/8
Q:160
S:Playford
A:English
K:G
(3DEF|G>BA>F G2 D2|G>Bd>e d2 B2|G>Bd>e d2 B>A|G>BA>F G3|(3DEF|G>BA>F G2
D2|\
G>Bd>e d2 B2|G>Bd>e d2 B>A|G>BA>F G3:|e>f g2 e>f g2|e>fg>A g2 e2| d>ed>c
d2 B>A| G>BA>F G4:|

Edited to add: I've now changed the description on the video, back-pedalling firmly on the Playford claim.

Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Winston Smith on December 13, 2019, 02:54:00 PM
Masterful playing from Anahata, as we would expect, thank you! Mind you, to my untrained ear, they sound like two entirely different tunes. I do like the first, and most commonly played, in this thread. In fact, I like it so much I may even have a go myself!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Winston Smith on December 13, 2019, 03:18:52 PM
And here it is, warts and all!

https://youtu.be/ZkvlarR9grw (https://youtu.be/ZkvlarR9grw)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Jesse Smith on December 13, 2019, 03:21:31 PM
Folktunefinder.com (http://www.folktunefinder.com/tunes/23183) has it, and gives this as a source:
http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/mirror/home.quicknet.nl/england.abc
The original link, of which that is a mirror, is also listed on the folktunefinder page but is dead now.
It's a big file of which I have had a copy for years.
The headers claim Playford in the ABC which I've copied below.

I have to say that rhythms like this are unusual in Playford, so that may be completely wrong.

Thanks. I asked because I can only find the jig version (although originally notated in 6/4!) in Playford. This site - http://playforddances.com/dances/ - claims to consolidate every edition of Playford and only has the one version.

Here's the Cecil Sharp version of the hornpipe (see page 10 of Set #2): https://imslp.org/wiki/Special:ReverseLookup/535936

Mind you, to my untrained ear, they sound like two entirely different tunes.

I would call them different but clearly related tunes, in the way that the different versions of Morris dance tunes are obviously cousins, descended from some shared ancestral tune. In this case it may be that the hornpipe tune is a 19th century descendant of the early 18th century Playford tune, adapted for a faster dance.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Pete Dunk on December 13, 2019, 04:10:43 PM
Edited to add: I've now changed the description on the video, back-pedalling firmly on the Playford claim.

I think that's the best thing to do, I have the VMP transcriptions of all three volumes of Playford and there is only one tune of that name, this isn't it. Unusual for John Chambers to get it wrong though.  :o
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Pete Dunk on December 13, 2019, 04:24:22 PM
Thanks. I asked because I can only find the jig version (although originally notated in 6/4!) in Playford. This site - http://playforddances.com/dances/ (http://playforddances.com/dances/) - claims to consolidate every edition of Playford and only has the one version.

If you'd like all three volumes of Playford, then ABC files, plus PDFs of volumes 2 & 3 are available for download from ChrisP's website here (http://www.cpartington.plus.com/Links/Playford/Playford%20Info.html). There is no PDF for Volume 1 as there is a very good book by Jeremy Barlow still in print and it is well worth buying. You can of course create a PDF copy yourself from the ABC file if you wish.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: playandteach on December 13, 2019, 04:58:19 PM
And here it is, warts and all!

https://youtu.be/ZkvlarR9grw (https://youtu.be/ZkvlarR9grw)
You should be proud of that one.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Anahata on December 13, 2019, 05:36:01 PM
If you'd like all three volumes of Playford, then ABC files, plus PDFs of volumes 2 & 3 are available for download from ChrisP's website here (http://www.cpartington.plus.com/Links/Playford/Playford%20Info.html). There is no PDF for Volume 1 as there is a very good book by Jeremy Barlow still in print

Yes, I've already got that, also looked in several other places and may have got the different versions muddled up in my memory by the time I'd printed out that one to learn it. I'm pretty sure now that the dotted version that I played (2nd tune) is not in any of the proper Playford sources.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Pete Dunk on December 13, 2019, 06:38:08 PM
Never mind, it's a good tune anyway!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Winston Smith on December 14, 2019, 02:49:36 PM
Thanks, P&T, But no, not proud, just enjoyed doing it so that it's recognisable.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on December 14, 2019, 09:50:44 PM
Thanks, P&T, But no, not proud, just enjoyed doing it so that it's recognisable.

More than recognisable. Great take on the tune.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Winston Smith on December 14, 2019, 09:56:10 PM
Thanks Greg. But if people keep encouraging me, I might make you all suffer by posting again!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Ransom on December 14, 2019, 10:47:25 PM
https://soundcloud.com/laubblaeser/20191210-hunt-the-squirrel

Fred, I found yours uncommonly pleasant today. Nice work on the left hand, you're doing something right. =)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Fred on December 15, 2019, 03:12:06 PM
https://soundcloud.com/laubblaeser/20191210-hunt-the-squirrel

Fred, I found yours uncommonly pleasant today. Nice work on the left hand, you're doing something right. =)

Haha, thank you very much, "uncommonly pleasant" is an interesting way to put it. Glad you liked it. (:)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Little Eggy on December 19, 2019, 11:55:24 AM
Thought I'd give it a bash. 

Played on my D/G Maestro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzOpslQGmoI


( ..... and Happy Christmas to everyone on Melnet)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Ransom on December 23, 2019, 07:41:43 PM
I was afraid I might not get one done by the time I dashed off for the holiday, but here it is:
https://youtu.be/hSRzVuINxdc
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Gena Crisman on December 31, 2019, 09:44:01 PM
Hello,

This tune is interesting to me, mainly because I don't find it particularly interesting if I don't play around with the chords, but, I do enjoy it a lot more when I do. I've probably listened to Saul's recording (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idZawIDMafs) over a dozen times, as well as the related Andy Cutting video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s4QCZVBhQo) with part of a workshop at least another 3 or 4, and then assembled the parts I liked + could do with some things I preferred to form this. Jigs always end up going by so quickly so I wanted to pair it with something, and learnt the other tune in this set (Fox and Geese) not two days ago, which I find pairs with this tune fairly nicely. Plus, it creates a fairly pleasing set name of "Hunt the Squirrel and Fox and Geese".

As an aside, you probably shouldn't actually hunt any these things - I prefer to think of this as the sound track to an afternoon meeting the local, and suitably surly, wildlife.

Hunt the Squirrel and Fox and Geese
https://youtu.be/nkuuVbyknqM

It's been very interesting watching everyone's submissions, as it seems many people also looked to their bass end to liven things up a bit, and it's been interesting hearing all the different approaches. I've also enjoyed hearing the approaches to the dB2 dB2 section, and how people handle the rhythm there, as it's not something you hear too often and repeatedly. I'm pretty sure I'm rushing the first note still, and am more sort of 'clipping' the note, or whatever the correct term would be.

In video production news, I also put an additional, tiny, light next to my camera to help illuminate my keyboard, and put a little twinkle in my buttons. The downside of this is that, as it reflects off the instrument, the background wall gets darker and lighter as the camera adjusts to light from the reflection. However, you can make out more of the details in the instruments' birds eye maple though, so, probably still worthwhile. I also put a bit of cheeky reverb on the end.

Also: Happy New Year!
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: playandteach on December 31, 2019, 10:54:14 PM
Always interesting to hear those who contribute in words, to contribute in performance too. No wider framework for that comment other than I am grateful to hear players express themselves. Well played, well recorded etc. Happy New Year.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on December 31, 2019, 11:53:32 PM
I might as well post this. I wasn't going to. It's still half baked. I think the next take might have worked  ;D

https://soundcloud.com/greg-bradfield-smith/hunt-the-squirrel-1



Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Peadar on January 01, 2020, 04:16:04 AM
I might as well post this. I wasn't going to. It's still half baked. I think the next take might have worked  ;D

https://soundcloud.com/greg-bradfield-smith/hunt-the-squirrel-1





Sounds good to me- and you beat the bells
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on January 01, 2020, 09:31:04 AM
I might as well post this. I wasn't going to. It's still half baked. I think the next take might have worked  ;D

https://soundcloud.com/greg-bradfield-smith/hunt-the-squirrel-1


Sounds good to me- and you beat the bells

Thank you Peader. I did take it to the wire, rather  ;D
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Clive Williams on January 01, 2020, 05:02:51 PM
Thanks everyone - time to move onto the next tune! Happy new year!

Please stick late recordings on the end of this thread as usual :-)
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Thoon on January 02, 2020, 09:47:57 AM
Happy new year!
Here is a very late proposal.. Very minimalist arrangement in the manner of « the gloaming » with piano, double bass, flugelhorn and... diatonic accordion.

https://youtu.be/L1vxvvdaSTA
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Winston Smith on January 02, 2020, 11:20:49 AM
Mind, that was worth waiting for! Thanks, Thoon.
Title: Re: Tune of the Month for December 2019: Hunt the Squirrel
Post by: Jesse Smith on January 10, 2020, 05:42:20 PM
Hunt the Squirrel (https://youtu.be/Tw1HjoFxJv0)

Here's my late entry. December was just too busy with the holidays and with the kids being off of school. I decided to learn the same hornpipe version that Anahata included in his video. This was collected by Cecil Sharp and published in 1909 in "Country Dance Tunes" but (to my ear at least) it is an obvious descendant of the better-known Playford tune. I learned this out of John Kirkpatrick's "English Choice" tunebook and the accompanying CD.

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