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Title: Online live sessions
Post by: Mcgrooger on March 19, 2020, 09:18:15 AM
Has anyone got any suggestions how it might be possible to run a music session online? My wife and I use Skype to talk to our family in different parts of the world but so far we've only had 3 devices connected albeit in England, Japan and The Netherlands.  Sometimes the connection isn't great at which point we'd ditch the video and just use sound. I participated in a yoga class this week which our teacher ran via Zoom but it wasn't really interactive. The family also make extensive use of Whatsapp but again it doesn't lend itself to group activities such as music sessions.
Any clever suggestions? Anyone done it before?
Sorry in advance to Theo if this isn't the best place for this thread!
Steve aka Mcg
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Gena Crisman on March 19, 2020, 09:39:43 AM
Realistically I don't believe that online synchronised play is going to work, just due to latency between the devices and how it will always affect someone. Even if you had perfect internet, the process of recording audio+video (or even just audio) typically will use a buffer of some kind, which means it waits to fill up eg 50ms of audio, then encode and transmit it. And, we don't have perfect internet, so, that adds even more delay. It's ok when the communication takes turns, like in a phone call, but if you eg sing a song and the person on the other end joins, you, the original singer, will hear them delayed by quite a large amount.

So, I'm afraid I don't think there's any kind of viable communal way to do this kind of thing live and have everyone be an equal participant.
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on March 19, 2020, 09:51:51 AM
I have been wondering about the possibility of smaller groups of people having individuals contribute their individual parts to a tune so that you end up with an arrangement that could be mixed down into a band recording. Professionals do this, how hard can it be ("erm....but they have studios")?

If everyone made their contribution as dry as feasible, in a domestic situation it could work ok.
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Chris Brimley on March 19, 2020, 10:57:58 AM
I've been looking at the possibilities too, for joint rehearsals or for online sessions.  Most of the recent attempts to set up sessions seem actually just to involve the collation and transmission of individual recordings.  Nothing wrong with that, but you won't get the live feel, or perhaps the audience.

Friends have pointed me to various useful links, which you might like to check out:

https://jammr.net/
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/remote-collaboration
https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/online-band-practices-possible/

I joined the free version of jammr.  This neutralises the latency issue, but of course it does it by delaying different channels of the mix, meaning you produce an in-sync recording, but it then has to be transmitted back to each listener.

The other sites contain suggestions about the feasibility of low-latency real-time meetings.  I've tried this with a friend with the Zoom meetings software, but no, it's still an intractable problem for musicians IMO, as Gena says.  However one useful feature of this is that Zoom would allow others to see the music, lyrics, or whatever, that the lead performer is using.

What I've been interested in is the prospect of a sort of half-way house, for sessions, with one controller.  The concept might be that contributors could listen to one performer, and contribute to their performance, and the resulting de-lagged mix could be sent to all listeners by the controller.  It wouldn't be real time, but the transmission lag could be less than a second, which might be acceptable to a 'live' listener.  I don't think jammr is up to this yet, but I may be wrong.  The difficulty seems to me to be that the controller would need very quickly to put together the inputs of others, almost in real time, and transmit it again seamlessly, but I don't think the software is that advanced.  Any comments, anyone?
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Anahata on March 19, 2020, 11:21:21 AM
What I've been interested in is the prospect of a sort of half-way house, for sessions, with one controller.  The concept might be that contributors could listen to one performer, and contribute to their performance, and the resulting de-lagged mix could be sent to all listeners by the controller.

The controller will receive the contributions with different delays, and would require some massive processing (and guesswork in some cases) to synchronise them.
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Roger Hare on March 19, 2020, 04:32:34 PM
This thread is currently active on concertina.net:

https://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php?/topic/22128-playing-together-across-an-internet-connection/ (https://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php?/topic/22128-playing-together-across-an-internet-connection/)

The consensus seems to be tending towards the conclusion that this is not a viable proposition?
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Mcgrooger on March 19, 2020, 04:40:47 PM
Can't say I'm surprised about the latency issues. Failing live playing what do people reckon is the best way of sharing recordings for those who don't have YT cannels and the like?
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Anahata on March 19, 2020, 06:27:06 PM
What's happening somewhere on Facebook is a "viral session" where participants are simply uploading their own tunes and songs for the entertainment of others, without any attempt at high-tech synchronisation. I'm not on Facebook so I don't know much about the details, but Mary is and has been posting links to videos that we've made.
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Lester on March 19, 2020, 07:03:53 PM
What's happening somewhere on Facebook is a "viral session" where participants are simply uploading their own tunes and songs for the entertainment of others, without any attempt at high-tech synchronisation. I'm not on Facebook so I don't know much about the details, but Mary is and has been posting links to videos that we've made.


Viral Tune Swap
https://www.facebook.com/groups/670435983731956/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/670435983731956/)
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Anahata on March 19, 2020, 11:56:15 PM
Thanks Lester. Members only  :(
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Chris Brimley on March 20, 2020, 11:39:08 AM
I've seen a suggestion recently that people can join a club where everyone watches the same posted videos simultaneously, but I would have thought it would still lose the interactive feel of a live session, which to my mind would be the main point of this.  I am advised that Microsoft Team works well for video conferencing of meetings with lots of people, but latency is of course much less of an issue for speech.  It must also have some way of suppressing audio input which might give rise to weird echoes, like mobile phone or skype conversations.

re Anahata's 'massive processing' comment, I don't know how jammr does this, but it claims to produce a latency free mix.  I assume that the processing of sound within one's own computer is either negligible or is neutralised by its automatic known delay compensation, however that works.  I know recording software can do this.  I envisaged either some manual or automatic initial 'ping' test, or perhaps manual adjustment, assuming the latency from a given caller is constant (I don't know how good an assumption this would be).
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Anahata on March 20, 2020, 02:03:28 PM
I assume that the processing of sound within one's own computer is either negligible or is neutralised by its automatic known delay compensation, however that works.  I know recording software can do this.  I envisaged either some manual or automatic initial 'ping' test, or perhaps manual adjustment, assuming the latency from a given caller is constant (I don't know how good an assumption this would be).

Yes, recording software can do two things: (a) provide a means to measure latency though your inputs and outputs and (b) knows the latency of plugins so if channels in a mix have varying amounts of processing, delay can be added to those with less processing delay so all channels in a mix are still in sync.

Yes, I suppose a remote system could attempt to measure the delay and get a result considerably better than not doing so. I hadn't thought of that.

Fay Hield is apparently trying to set up a real-time online singaround using Zoom software. I'm out of my depth here, but it will be interesting to see what happens.
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Mcgrooger on March 20, 2020, 03:51:23 PM
Thanks Lester. Members only  :(
That's what Brian London, ex boxer, used to call from the top of the stairs as we used to unsuccessfully try to blag our way into his nightclub, the 007 Club in Blackpool in me yoof.

I've less desire to get into the Facebook club than the 007!  8)
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Graham Wood on March 20, 2020, 06:40:43 PM
Have done something similar between me and a singer but we used a telephone landline with speaker phones on. At the same time we used two iPads and FaceTime with the sound off for visual feedback. It actually worked quite well although the sound quality was not up to much. There was no lag whatsoever and we achieved what we wanted in working out a song. You can get get 3 way teleconferencing I think, but more than this and you have to use a commercial conferencing bridge provider which costs money.

Using the internet is out of the question because of latency issues. Video takes up a lot of bandwidth and even without video you would still have big problems. The only way around it is a central internet hub that takes input from satellite stations, matches timecodes, and then feeds the processed amalgamated signal back to the satellite stations. I am not aware of any software that does this though.
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Chris Brimley on March 20, 2020, 06:49:40 PM
Anahata, I recognise that some compromise in the idea will be needed, and this might kill it.  It seems to me that before someone leads a song or tune, the other members will need to decide who wants to play along, and who wants just to listen.  Players then would receive the lead player's channel, and nothing else.  Their contributions, and those of others, would be adjusted for lag, and then mixed by the controller and sent to all listeners, with a slight delay, and to listeners it would sound pretty similar to a normal session.  The snag is that all other players would hear only the lead and their own contribution, not the full mix.  Sure, they could hear it as a recording later, but they would have to forgo the fun of all playing together.  I don't think this would be very popular.  However the idea of a near-live round-the-room virtual session, with individual performers only, might work, with the right technology.
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Dick Rees on March 20, 2020, 08:01:41 PM
The closest thing is probably the good old "mix minus" used in broadcasting.  As far as compensation for latency induced delay, it's virtually (sic) impossible for internet-based transmission due to unpredictably variable routing.  Even with traditional hard-wired links it is maybe comparable to developing a geo-located, atomic clock timed purpose-built network.

Hard enough to make it work for remote lessons, likely impossible for "reel-time" jamming for coordinating more than two locations. 
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Mcgrooger on March 20, 2020, 09:03:38 PM
It's sounding like we'll be following our fellow band member Fiona's idea to have a live session in the open air with plenty of physical spacing on Kendal Green when/if the weather warms up!
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on March 20, 2020, 09:06:44 PM
It's sounding like we'll be following our fellow band member Fiona's idea to have a live session in the open air with plenty of physical spacing on Kendal Green when/if the weather warms up!

We're sort of kicking around the idea of dancing the sun up on may morning...with broomsticks.
I don't think we'll dare, though.
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Anahata on March 21, 2020, 08:48:04 AM
Fay Hield is apparently trying to set up a real-time online singaround using Zoom software. I'm out of my depth here, but it will be interesting to see what happens.

This happened last night. I can confirm that a real time session would be out of the question. Joining in with choruses was chaotic until we adopted the protocol of muting everyone except the main singer; then we could join in but there's a limit to how loud you can sing or play along when the sound is coming from an iPad or phone.

Socially it was a success - great to see friends we may not see face to face for months, and to play and sing and hear others do the same for a couple of hours in real time. But for a musically satisfying experience I think you might be better off playing along to a solo YouTube or SoundCloud performance, and recording and uploading the result. Some people have done this on YouTube. It's more of a collaborative recording project than a session, but it's quite fun and an efficient way of disposing of excess spare time.
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Nigel on March 21, 2020, 09:45:37 AM
North East Melodeon Group had our first zoom session yesterday. 6 people attended. Synchronised playing was reasonable but the sound quality particularly depended on transmission quality - we tested each player in turn. Our own Mel Biggs led a tutorial where she led and we played whilst muted. She stopped at appropriate stages to test and check things. We kept going for 2.5 hours. It was fun. It keeps us in contact. We'll continue with Mel and Paul Young will join us, hopefully later, our Dave Gray. We're paying the pros - need to keep them going! Next session is on 27 March.           
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Helena Handcart on March 21, 2020, 10:10:11 AM
I'm looking at possibilities to keep my little group of steady-speeders playing together. I know that full online sessions will not be possible but I think that as well as checking in with each other we could do some sort of tune share. Probably involving recorded tunes or one person taking the lead and the others playing along at home with their mics muted.

I'm running some tests this morning but would welcome any advice, insight, experience that may help push this forward.
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Gena Crisman on March 21, 2020, 03:08:59 PM
So, one type of session is where there is a small group leading the session and playing a nice variety of parts and sounds. I'd suggest that joining in with someone solo might be less fun than joining in with a small band performance. Perhaps if a few confident people organise themselves, they can combine several audio tracks and videos and then share those combined, virtual band videos. Perhaps you then send that video out over zoom or similar, and everyone gets to play with that virtual band and still chat about it afterwards.

True communal playing seemingly isn't possible, but, sometimes it's nice to sit on the border of an active session and just join in a bit, too.
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Chris Brimley on March 24, 2020, 09:50:20 AM
I participated in a Facebook Open Mic club yesterday, where you simply send your mobile phone recordings to the organiser who collates and posts them, and I have to say it worked remarkably well.

The big plus that I hadn't appreciated in advance was that although the main audience is supposed to be those that are attending the event, one's contributions are also being watched by all one's FB friends.  It was clear from the surprised comments received on the event thread that many of those listening in were friends of the performer who probably wouldn't be seen dead in a music club, or even contributing to a FB thread, but who appreciated the opportunity to watch their chum play, which they'd never seen before.
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Anahata on March 24, 2020, 10:27:45 AM
I'm looking at possibilities to keep my little group of steady-speeders playing together. I know that full online sessions will not be possible but I think that as well as checking in with each other we could do some sort of tune share. Probably involving recorded tunes or one person taking the lead and the others playing along at home with their mics muted.

What's wrong with the obvious solution of making a YouTube video and sending the participants a link? It could be unlisted if you only want the chosen participants to see it.

You might also be able to do a live stream if you want to make it a bit more real time. And anyone who couldn't make it at the time could run the playback. I've never done a YouTube live stream so don't know how practical it is.

I'd suggest that joining in with someone solo might be less fun than joining in with a small band performance.
By all means if you can organise it, but I'd hate to see a simple solution that you can 'just do' today giving way to a more complicated one that never really happens...

I participated in a Facebook Open Mic club yesterday, where you simply send your mobile phone recordings to the organiser who collates and posts them, and I have to say it worked remarkably well.

The big plus that I hadn't appreciated in advance was that although the main audience is supposed to be those that are attending the event, one's contributions are also being watched by all one's FB friends.

That illustrates how abandoning the idea of a real time session opens up all sorts of other advantages.
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on March 24, 2020, 11:17:23 AM
My guitar player and I tried Zoom this morning. Results were a bit inconclusive. It worked OK for him. He recorded his end of things and sent me the recording, which was fine. I was unable to tell at my end because when I played something his sound muted for me. It must be a setting, but I haven't found it yet. I just played my own thing and he played along.

Need to hear what happens when a third participant joins in.
If the worst comes to the worst, the site has the facility to provide separate sound files for each participant which can be mixed down and synched later.
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Gena Crisman on March 25, 2020, 09:18:00 PM
So, one type of session is where there is a small group leading the session and playing a nice variety of parts and sounds. I'd suggest that joining in with someone solo might be less fun than joining in with a small band performance. Perhaps if a few confident people organise themselves, they can combine several audio tracks and videos and then share those combined, virtual band videos.

So, it would seem John Spiers is doing this ^^

He posted this video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhXWaQgnyio of just himself playing, asking other people to record themselves joining in, and he has been combining those with his own video & audio to form, effectively, a session - he's gotten to here so far:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eex9qSs5Wzs

I played along with this today and it felt really pretty good to do that. Although, a bit fast for me on the first set.

We talked about davinci resolve, the other day, in another thread. It has some features that allow for syncing video streams based on audio - the intent is for multi cam recordings of the same events, but, I have an idea for convincing it to do what you'd want, given people are playing different parts. I shall see if I can't do some experiments.
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Anahata on March 25, 2020, 11:21:45 PM
We talked about davinci resolve, the other day, in another thread. It has some features that allow for syncing video streams based on audio - the intent is for multi cam recordings of the same events

The video editor I use can do that, and I'd guess that they all can, because it must be a common requirement.
In KDEnlive you select your 'master' track  and 'set audio reference', then go to the other tracks and click on 'align audio to reference'.
If it doesn't get it right, you can always doing it by ear, sliding the secondary track back and forth on the time line until it sounds right.

I saw Squeezy's fake session video today. I'm glad you have mentioned it here, because I meant to do so, but got distracted a.k.a. forgot...
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Gary Chapin on March 26, 2020, 01:09:21 AM
For services at my church, we've gone to Zoom. For the hymns, one person plays. Then everyone in their own space (muted) sings along. So the sounds don't come together, and yet everyone is singing together. It's imperfect, yeah, but I found it  surprisingly satisfying -- it really did help bring us together, which is somewhat the point.

I think it's an imperfect solution, of course, but afterwards, you've all played the same thing at the same time (if not in the same sonic place), you can drink something, and talk about it. Community is served.
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Gena Crisman on March 27, 2020, 06:39:56 AM
The video editor I use can do that, and I'd guess that they all can, because it must be a common requirement.
In KDEnlive you select your 'master' track  and 'set audio reference', then go to the other tracks and click on 'align audio to reference'.
If it doesn't get it right, you can always doing it by ear, sliding the secondary track back and forth on the time line until it sounds right.

So, I didn't have much luck with Resolve in so far as while it could sync them ok as a multicam situation, it didn't want to make it viably straight forward to display all those videos & mix the audio together.

So, I gave KDEnlive a go, and I think? my approach worked? My thought is to have the 'prime' video clap 8 times with a constant beat, with the expectation that the companion video will clap along only with the last 4. Easy enough for a musician - the leading beats and expectation of ending should make it clear? Then, the prime video can remove the audio of the first 4 claps, and perform an audio based sync and anchor the companion videos in place with the matching claps. For a longer video, I guess you could opt to sync a second time later on too, just in case. Then you can just edit out all the clapping later probably.

https://youtu.be/NQoghniZDlA

Resolve would sync the videos only if I did perform the step of editing out the first 4 claps. KDEnlive was less picky but also possibly it was finding a way to sync the rest of the audio, also. I guess the claps do also provide some clear spikes to aid manual sync - although a bit echoey in the car. I'm not sure how aggressive frame rate discrepancies would impact the above solution.
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Gary Chapin on March 27, 2020, 03:10:47 PM
I've been trying JamKazam, and am close to getting it to work. I've been making enough progress to feel like it's SO CLOSE! I feel like it will if I can tune my system to reduce latency issues. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on March 27, 2020, 06:03:17 PM
I've been trying JamKazam, and am close to getting it to work. I've been making enough progress to feel like it's SO CLOSE! I feel like it will if I can tune my system to reduce latency issues. Fingers crossed.

I have ordered an ethernet cable for the same reason. I hope that makes it usable.
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Helena Handcart on March 28, 2020, 09:52:12 AM
I have ordered an ethernet cable for the same reason. I hope that makes it usable.

I've just downloaded JamKazam for some testing.  Still got some ethernet cables around the place. Can't remember how many years it is since any of the machines in the house actually had an ethernet port though.

This could be fun.
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: IanD on March 30, 2020, 11:06:57 PM
Anyone trying to use Zoom for music, here's how to fix the "dalek sound" problem when playing instruments...

https://youtu.be/50NoWIiYECA
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on March 30, 2020, 11:11:46 PM
Anyone trying to use Zoom for music, here's how to fix the "dalek sound" problem when playing instruments...

https://youtu.be/50NoWIiYECA

That's the second link I've seen to that video. Looks the bees knees, but I would have to solve another problem before it becomes relevant. How do I stop other parties muting as soon as I start playing?
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: IanD on March 30, 2020, 11:15:27 PM
Anyone trying to use Zoom for music, here's how to fix the "dalek sound" problem when playing instruments...

https://youtu.be/50NoWIiYECA

That's the second link I've seen to that video. Looks the bees knees, but I would have to solve another problem before it becomes relevant. How do I stop other parties muting as soon as I start playing?

That's another option in the advanced menu, IIRC...
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Tone Dumb Greg on March 30, 2020, 11:25:52 PM
Anyone trying to use Zoom for music, here's how to fix the "dalek sound" problem when playing instruments...

https://youtu.be/50NoWIiYECA

That's the second link I've seen to that video. Looks the bees knees, but I would have to solve another problem before it becomes relevant. How do I stop other parties muting as soon as I start playing?

That's another option in the advanced menu, IIRC...

Erm...not sure what you mean. It's not an option I can see under audio. All I see is noise cancellation options. Is it somewhere else?
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: JohnAndy on March 31, 2020, 01:26:59 AM
I've been trying JamKazam

In our community ceilidh band, 3 of us have been experimenting with JamKazam, and have found that for 2 people we've had a surprisingly good experience of being able to play together in real time.

The JamKazam platform is still running but it seems that it is no longer fully supported, so much of the help information that's supposed to be available is in fact missing.

As Gary says, it's important to reduce the latency in your audio gear - all of us have been using USB audio interfaces, using ASIO drivers in the case of Windows systems - and it's also necessary to connect using an Ethernet cable and not WiFi.

We still haven't tried scaling up to a larger group yet, and we're also not sure how many band members would want to get involved in something that might be quite tricky to set up and might involve purchase of new equipment.

So in the first instance we're going to try something a bit less real-time using Zoom instead.
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Jack Hare on April 08, 2020, 05:23:40 PM
Here in the West of Ireland we are trying to continue our now postponed weekly sessions simply by asking everyone to contribute their tunes to a dedicated website, just so that others can listen and learn. then, when we meet again, we'll all have a newly enriched repertoire! here's a link to our site:

https://swantonstownsessions.com/
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Graham Wood on April 08, 2020, 06:54:58 PM
Here in the West of Ireland we are trying to continue our now postponed weekly sessions simply by asking everyone to contribute their tunes to a dedicated website, just so that others can listen and learn. then, when we meet again, we'll all have a newly enriched repertoire! here's a link to our site:

https://swantonstownsessions.com/

There are some great tunes on there. Thank you for sharing the site.
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Graham Collicutt on May 21, 2020, 04:30:35 PM
After a long time I have got Jamkazam to work and found 1 UK resident to try it with, the USA meeting, although enjoyable, was less in sync.

A very good source of info including working audio interfaces and there stats here: https://thesession.org/discussions/44856
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Bill Young on May 22, 2020, 02:53:16 PM
Two groups local to me are using Zoom for online sessions. Both operate the same way - someone leads a tune, everybody else listens and, with their mics muted, plays along. So you're hearing yourself and one other player. In the larger multi-instrument group - up to 30 players - all tunes are led by the group MD on keyboard. In our smaller (5-6) accordion group, everybody nominates a couple of tune sets before the session, so we can get the playlist lined up in forScore on our iPads before we start. Then each player takes a turn to lead one of their sets and the rest play along with muted mics. So you get to play along with each friend in turn. In between sets everybody switches on to chat - it's great to meetup with musical friends this way.
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Steve_freereeder on May 22, 2020, 03:29:51 PM
Two groups local to me are using Zoom for online sessions. Both operate the same way - someone leads a tune, everybody else listens and, with their mics muted, plays along. So you're hearing yourself and one other player. In the larger multi-instrument group - up to 30 players - all tunes are led by the group MD on keyboard. In our smaller (5-6) accordion group, everybody nominates a couple of tune sets before the session, so we can get the playlist lined up in forScore on our iPads before we start. Then each player takes a turn to lead one of their sets and the rest play along with muted mics. So you get to play along with each friend in turn. In between sets everybody switches on to chat - it's great to meetup with musical friends this way.

Thanks for explaining the methodology, Bill - it's really clear and helpful!
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Anahata on May 22, 2020, 03:53:53 PM
That's how the Bacca Pipes Folk Club sessions work, and the online version of the Ripponden Old Bridge session.
Title: Re: Online live sessions using Jamkazam in UK
Post by: Graham Collicutt on May 28, 2020, 04:04:26 PM
Met with 2 other concertina players from Norfolk, 100 miles from me, last night. Two anglos and a baritone english, at times it was difficult to tell, who was who, it was that in sync. Well worth the effort of setting it up.

On problem: hot ears. You have to wear earphones, to listen to combined feed from Jamkazam, and not listen to what you are playing live.
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: David Colpitts on May 28, 2020, 05:00:50 PM
What Bill said, as far as Zoom goes.  I am about 6 weeks into a group of 8-9 Quebecois players, and it’s a good time, but certainly not “session” in any real sense of the word.  I like to describe it thusly:

“Multiple simultaneous duets” with the leader-swapping for each successive tune/set.  Chatting in between does
keep group feeling, at least somewhat. 

I think I want to try the telephone/iPads route for 2 or 3.  Never thought of that!  I am not gonna’ get super interweb anytime soon.....

This is interesting territory.  Thanks to all.

David
Title: Re: Online live sessions
Post by: Winston Smith on May 28, 2020, 08:29:46 PM
"This is interesting territory."

It serpently is, Stanley!
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