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Title: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Clive Williams on September 30, 2009, 11:38:44 PM
Hi everyone - optimistically assuming that people will want to do this again next month, I'm starting this thread so we have a common place to nominate the next set of tunes to enter the tune of the month poll (to be held at the back end of October).

Ones that didn't quite make the cut from last time:

- Spirit of the Dance
- Princess Royal
- Marmalade Polka
- Fisher's Hornpipe

(Sorry Granny, you've got your own thread now, so you're out!)

Please add your suggestions to this thread and I'll pick a suitable selection from it for the next poll.

Thanks in advance!

Clive
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Clive Williams on September 30, 2009, 11:52:09 PM
... and to start things rolling, here's another couple of possibles:

Midnight on the Water (American waltz by Luke Thomasson) - and here's a nice version of it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H06zQ9ZjWdE&feature=fvw)

L'Inconnu d'Limoise (French mazurka by Maxou Heintzen) - and here's a nice version of it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWKISP3IVzI)

Enjoy,

Clive
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Owen Woods on October 01, 2009, 12:32:58 AM
My suggestions.

Chassepain. It's a French tune by Giles whassisface and is one of my favourite tunes ever. It fits very nicely under the fingers, mostly and there is a fantastic bass part as well. There's a version on the session, but it isn't quite notated right.

Helseyside. A Northumbrian tune that I think is very well suited to the box. It's a tune that is very easy to improvise over and very easy to do interesting things with the bass. Plus it's a very nice tune. I play it with Souter Creek, but I haven't quite got to grips with that yet myself, despite playing it many many times.

Horse's Brawle. An English tune I believe, commonly found in sessions. Uses the Bb key, which is always fun, even if it does make the bass nigh on impossible.

I'll probably think of some more in the morning. It's a difficult one, as you want to make it accessible to as many as possible whilst making it interesting for the more advanced people. Plus it needs to be a good tune, one that works well on the box and one that people know, but not that many of them.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Theo on October 01, 2009, 08:45:28 AM
Helseyside. A Northumbrian tune that I think is very well suited to the box. It's a tune that is very easy to improvise over and very easy to do interesting things with the bass. Plus it's a very nice tune. I play it with Souter Creek, but I haven't quite got to grips with that yet myself, despite playing it many many times.

You need to be clear about which Hesleyside.  ???  Hesleyside reel, is a nice lively reel/rant in G, fits well on a G/D box, or Sweet Hesleyside, which is often played as a slow air, and also works as a waltz.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Lester on October 01, 2009, 08:48:15 AM
Horse's Brawle. An English tune I believe, commonly found in sessions. Uses the Bb key, which is always fun, even if it does make the bass nigh on impossible.
<pedant mode on>
Actually a French tune from Arbeau's orchesography (16th C)
And really called the Horse's Branle (pronounced Brawl) or maybe even better as the Branle De Chevaux
<pedant mode off>

But indeed a good suggestion
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: ladydetemps on October 01, 2009, 08:57:38 AM
I'm thinking in terms of outfits....something nautical would be nice...

'Portsmouth' maybe?
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: LJC on October 01, 2009, 09:04:17 AM
I'd like to know how it was actually played in 16th century France - I think the common one might have been Anglicised by session players in terms of speed/harmony/phrasing etc.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Steve_freereeder on October 01, 2009, 10:03:54 AM
Hi everyone - optimistically assuming that people will want to do this again next month, I'm starting this thread so we have a common place to nominate the next set of tunes to enter the tune of the month poll (to be held at the back end of October).

Ones that didn't quite make the cut from last time:

- Spirit of the Dance
- Princess Royal
- Marmalade Polka
- Fisher's Hornpipe

Please add your suggestions to this thread and I'll pick a suitable selection from it for the next poll.
I'm happy to go with one of the runners up from last time. My vote is for Princess Royal. One of the very best morris tunes ever, in my opinion.  (:)
There are many versions around in both major and minor keys. It would be good to hear what people come up with.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Lester on October 01, 2009, 10:16:53 AM
I'd like to know how it was actually played in 16th century France - I think the common one might have been Anglicised by session players in terms of speed/harmony/phrasing etc.

Some guidance can be found below from the desciption of the dance itself

http://www.webfeet.org/eceilidh/dances/horses-branle.html (http://www.webfeet.org/eceilidh/dances/horses-branle.html)
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Owen Woods on October 01, 2009, 01:14:24 PM
Helseyside. A Northumbrian tune that I think is very well suited to the box. It's a tune that is very easy to improvise over and very easy to do interesting things with the bass. Plus it's a very nice tune. I play it with Souter Creek, but I haven't quite got to grips with that yet myself, despite playing it many many times.

You need to be clear about which Hesleyside.  ???  Hesleyside reel, is a nice lively reel/rant in G, fits well on a G/D box, or Sweet Hesleyside, which is often played as a slow air, and also works as a waltz.

Hesleyside Reel. And it works rather well as a slow tune as well as a reel. Often we would play it slowly a few times in a session, then followed by a few other tunes, increasing in speed and ending with Hesleyside in reel tempo.

Horse's Brawle. An English tune I believe, commonly found in sessions. Uses the Bb key, which is always fun, even if it does make the bass nigh on impossible.
<pedant mode on>
Actually a French tune from Arbeau's orchesography (16th C)
And really called the Horse's Branle (pronounced Brawl) or maybe even better as the Branle De Chevaux
<pedant mode off>

But indeed a good suggestion

I didn't know any of that, thank you (:)
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Stiamh on October 01, 2009, 01:43:01 PM
I seem to remember learning the Hesleyside tune from Colin Ross at a fiddle workshop at Towersey in the 1970s and he insisted it should be called the Hesleyside Ride...
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Bob Ellis on October 01, 2009, 03:50:24 PM
Bearing in mind that quite a few of us will soon be busy learning and polishing tunes for Melodeons at Witney, I would suggest another well-known standard for next month. Princess Royal would be a good choice because many of us will know it already, there are major and minor versions of it, and it is a fairly easy tune to ornament.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: ladydetemps on October 01, 2009, 03:58:33 PM
Bearing in mind that quite a few of us will soon be busy learning and polishing tunes for Melodeons at Witney,
When does that stuff arrive?
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Bob Ellis on October 01, 2009, 04:03:11 PM
Bearing in mind that quite a few of us will soon be busy learning and polishing tunes for Melodeons at Witney,
When does that stuff arrive?
Usually about the middle of October.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: ladydetemps on October 01, 2009, 04:04:26 PM
Bearing in mind that quite a few of us will soon be busy learning and polishing tunes for Melodeons at Witney,
When does that stuff arrive?
Usually about the middle of October.
seems like forever away....
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Ollie on October 01, 2009, 06:49:37 PM
I'd like to nominate Orange in Bloom, just cos its one of my favourite tune.  ;D Great Morris tune from Sherborne when played as a jig, but also works wonderfully as a waltz, which allows for a lot of experimentation with the left hand.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Selam on October 01, 2009, 07:25:50 PM
Seeing as October's is a jolly dance tune  :M , can November be slower and in a minor key??? Pretty please?

Blossom and the Rain? (I can nearly play that!  ;D)

xxx
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Matt Langley on October 01, 2009, 08:02:27 PM
My itunes is having a really good day today. 

It has just played a fine selection of 'random' tunes ending up with Grand Circle Dance from the Albions Lark Rise album - what a cracking tune that is!

So can I suggest Grand Circle Dance for next month? (if that is actually the name of the tune itself of course?)

Matt
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Ollie on October 01, 2009, 08:06:23 PM
If I remember correctly, the Grand Circle Dance is actually William and Nancy, a Morris tune from Bledington. Cracking tune! Oooh, that reminds me of another brilliant Morris tune... Old Woman Tossed Up in a Blanket, from Fieldtown.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Bob Ellis on October 01, 2009, 08:10:08 PM
I'd like to nominate Orange in Bloom, just cos its one of my favourite tune.  ;D Great Morris tune from Sherborne when played as a jig, but also works wonderfully as a waltz, which allows for a lot of experimentation with the left hand.
Yes, I agree that it's a nice tune. I believe that, when played as a waltz, it is called the Sherborne Waltz.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: craigus on October 01, 2009, 08:19:13 PM
I'd like to nominate Orange in Bloom, just cos its one of my favourite tune.  ;D Great Morris tune from Sherborne when played as a jig, but also works wonderfully as a waltz, which allows for a lot of experimentation with the left hand.
Yes, I agree that it's a nice tune. I believe that, when played as a waltz, it is called the Sherborne Waltz.

This one of my favourite tunes, but I can already know it well, so I've got a vested interest in it not being chosen! However, if anyone wants to know how it goes, I've got a video of me playing it on youtube here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8e2Qj4_NaM

My vote would go to Princess Royal or Midnight on the Water as they are both tunes I should play by now but don't. (:)
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Lester on October 01, 2009, 08:19:19 PM
If I remember correctly, the Grand Circle Dance is actually William and Nancy, a Morris tune from Bledington. Cracking tune! Oooh, that reminds me of another brilliant Morris tune... Old Woman Tossed Up in a Blanket, from Fieldtown.

How's about Wheatley Trunkles - one of the oddest morris tunes of all

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T:Wheatley Trunkles
M:4/4
L:1/8
Q:1/8=200
K:G
B2 dd g2 d2 | B2 dd g2 d2 | c2 cB A2 G2 | Bdec A2 G2 |
B2 dd g2 d2 | B2 dd g2 d2 | c2 cB A2 e2 | dBdB  A2 G2 :||
EBEB EB B2 | A2 B2 EB B2 | A2 G2 EB B2 | dBdB A2 G2 |
E2 B2 EB B2 | A2 B2 EB B2 | A2 G2 EB B2 | dBdB A2 G2 :||

Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Bob Ellis on October 01, 2009, 08:26:13 PM
I'd like to nominate Orange in Bloom, just cos its one of my favourite tune.  ;D Great Morris tune from Sherborne when played as a jig, but also works wonderfully as a waltz, which allows for a lot of experimentation with the left hand.
Yes, I agree that it's a nice tune. I believe that, when played as a waltz, it is called the Sherborne Waltz.
This one of my favourite tunes, but I can already know it well, so I've got a vested interest in it not being chosen! However, if anyone wants to know how it goes, I've got a video of me playing it on youtube here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8e2Qj4_NaM
A beautiful rendition, but the dancers in my Morris side would lynch me if I played it at that speed.  ;D
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Ollie on October 01, 2009, 08:35:19 PM
If I remember correctly, the Grand Circle Dance is actually William and Nancy, a Morris tune from Bledington. Cracking tune! Oooh, that reminds me of another brilliant Morris tune... Old Woman Tossed Up in a Blanket, from Fieldtown.

How's about Wheatley Trunkles - one of the oddest morris tunes of all

X: 122
T:Wheatley Trunkles
M:4/4
L:1/8
Q:1/8=200
K:G
B2 dd g2 d2 | B2 dd g2 d2 | c2 cB A2 G2 | Bdec A2 G2 |
B2 dd g2 d2 | B2 dd g2 d2 | c2 cB A2 e2 | dBdB  A2 G2 :||
EBEB EB B2 | A2 B2 EB B2 | A2 G2 EB B2 | dBdB A2 G2 |
E2 B2 EB B2 | A2 B2 EB B2 | A2 G2 EB B2 | dBdB A2 G2 :||



 ;D Another great tune. I can just about play it, but I always end up fluffing up the B part. Great dance too (if damned exhausting!)  :M :|glug
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: melod-ian on October 01, 2009, 08:36:32 PM
If I remember correctly, the Grand Circle Dance is actually William and Nancy, a Morris tune from Bledington. Cracking tune! Oooh, that reminds me of another brilliant Morris tune... Old Woman Tossed Up in a Blanket, from Fieldtown.

theres some quite lovely tunes from Fieldtown.. Dearest Dicky...  and my all time fav Valentine

for a non morris tune .. defiantly  Midnight on the Water..  its a lovely song too
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: craigus on October 01, 2009, 08:57:55 PM
I'd like to nominate Orange in Bloom, just cos its one of my favourite tune.  ;D Great Morris tune from Sherborne when played as a jig, but also works wonderfully as a waltz, which allows for a lot of experimentation with the left hand.
Yes, I agree that it's a nice tune. I believe that, when played as a waltz, it is called the Sherborne Waltz.
This one of my favourite tunes, but I can already know it well, so I've got a vested interest in it not being chosen! However, if anyone wants to know how it goes, I've got a video of me playing it on youtube here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8e2Qj4_NaM
A beautiful rendition, but the dancers in my Morris side would lynch me if I played it at that speed.  ;D

This is going to show up my morris ignorance even more - am I playing it too fast or too slow?!!?  (:)
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: ladydetemps on October 01, 2009, 08:59:38 PM
What about something that's not a morris tune? ;) :|||:
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Lester on October 01, 2009, 09:01:27 PM
<snip>

This is going to show up my morris ignorance even more - am I playing it too fast or too slow?!!?  (:)


It would be too fast for me but the main problem is that you are playing it as a waltz and the dance needs a jig (6/8). Mind you speed is a hard thing to be "right" about as one side will dance it fast and close to the ground and the next slow and up in the air so horse for courses.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: HallelujahAl on October 01, 2009, 09:02:40 PM
Quote
What about something that's not a morris tune?
No I disagree - I think that every tune we play or discuss on this forum should be a Morris tune - that would be in keeping with this forum's aims..etc...after all this is morris.net isn't it?
 >:E
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Lester on October 01, 2009, 09:03:02 PM
What about something that's not a morris tune? ;) :|||:

Aint no such thing as "not a morris tune" as most tunes cvan be used for morris   ::)
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: HallelujahAl on October 01, 2009, 09:05:22 PM
Quote
Aint no such thing as "not a morris tune" as most tunes cvan be used for morris

Greedy!
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: HallelujahAl on October 01, 2009, 09:12:35 PM
I propose something in keeping with the month of November - so howsabout something from Handel's 'Royal Fireworks Suite'? And then there's halloween of course (count me out of that one, I scare easy  ;D)...having said that it's the feast day of St. Edmund of Abingdon on the 16th November so how about something from Abingdon way?

I think I've just shared some unusually intelligent and thoughtful suggestions - after what you did to Granny I can only say that I am most disappointed!
 ;D
AL
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: ladydetemps on October 01, 2009, 09:14:03 PM
What about something that's not a morris tune? ;) :|||:

Aint no such thing as "not a morris tune" as most tunes cvan be used for morris   ::)
Well If you  cna't beat em join em...

How about 'Young Collins'....I've only got that down ok on concertina so far.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Ollie on October 01, 2009, 09:28:26 PM
I propose something in keeping with the month of November - so howsabout something from Handel's 'Royal Fireworks Suite'? And then there's halloween of course (count me out of that one, I scare easy  ;D)...having said that it's the feast day of St. Edmund of Abingdon on the 16th November so how about something from Abingdon way?

I think I've just shared some unusually intelligent and thoughtful suggestions - after what you did to Granny I can only say that I am most disappointed!
 ;D
AL

There's already an Abingdon related tune... the major version of Princess Royal is bascially the Abingdon version!
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Bob Ellis on October 01, 2009, 09:46:07 PM
I'd like to nominate Orange in Bloom, just cos its one of my favourite tune.  ;D Great Morris tune from Sherborne when played as a jig, but also works wonderfully as a waltz, which allows for a lot of experimentation with the left hand.
A beautiful rendition, but the dancers in my Morris side would lynch me if I played it at that speed.  ;D
This is going to show up my morris ignorance even more - am I playing it too fast or too slow?!!?  (:)[/quote]

When played for the Morris dance, it is a bit too fast. I have just used Personal Composer to check the tempo at which I play it and it came out at around 85. However, it sounds good the way you played it, so just call it the Sherborne Waltz rather than Orange in Bloom and you won't have to worry about pedantic nit-pickers like me commenting on the speed.  ::)
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Bob Ellis on October 01, 2009, 09:51:07 PM
Aint no such thing as "not a morris tune" as most tunes can be used for morris   ::)
This month's tune - Speed the Plough - is a perfect example. The side for whom I play (Crook Morris) uses it for a Border dance. I am sure that ours is not the only side to do so.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Ollie on October 01, 2009, 10:10:05 PM
Aint no such thing as "not a morris tune" as most tunes can be used for morris   ::)
This month's tune - Speed the Plough - is a perfect example. The side for whom I play (Crook Morris) uses it for a Border dance. I am sure that ours is not the only side to do so.

In Cotswold circles, it is most commonly used for the Bampton side-step dance. There are hundreds of tunes you can use for this dance. When I play for that particular dance, I usually string 4 tunes together - Speed the Plough (G), Brighton Camp (G), The Quaker (G to D) and Old Tom of Oxford (D) - which works quite nicely.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Keithypete. on October 02, 2009, 01:46:38 AM
Next time someone asks if you can play Faraway....


http://www.diato.org/tablat/tab28.gif

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This is a gorgeous tune. Hope we're alright with copyright & everything.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: graememackay on October 02, 2009, 02:31:29 AM
What about rural life?
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Chris Ryall on October 02, 2009, 03:16:31 AM
I'd like to nominate Orange in Bloom, just cos its one of my favourite tune.  ;D Great Morris tune from Sherborne when played as a jig, but also works wonderfully as a waltz, which allows for a lot of experimentation with the left hand.

Favourite with me too.  Somehow it works played in both directions. I thought I'd got the left and fairly sassy, but just watched Craig's arrangement on youtube and it goes in directions I'd never even thought of. Fine example of the beauty of exploring a single tune properly on melodeon - rather than constantly medleying onto something else.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: HallelujahAl on October 02, 2009, 09:16:14 AM
Quote
What about rural life?
Excellent nomination, I'd certainly vote for it. I fear, however, the D/G box players won't go for it as they seem to struggle to play in C major on D/G. Suppose we could transpose the first section into G?
AL
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: ladydetemps on October 02, 2009, 12:30:55 PM
hmm... what about Woodland Revels http://www.thevisiblesound.co.uk/pdf/Woodland%20Revels%20Tune%20and%20Chords%20Concert.pdf

It always makes me smile when I hear it....plus pleanty of scope for a 'costume'
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Lester on October 02, 2009, 12:40:15 PM
hmm... what about Woodland Revels http://www.thevisiblesound.co.uk/pdf/Woodland%20Revels%20Tune%20and%20Chords%20Concert.pdf

It always makes me smile when I hear it....plus pleanty of scope for a 'costume'

Now there's a good idea!
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Keithypete. on October 02, 2009, 12:49:58 PM
Do all the tunes suggested make it into the final poll? 'Weasel's revenge' anyone?
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Ellie on October 02, 2009, 01:14:25 PM
hmm... what about Woodland Revels http://www.thevisiblesound.co.uk/pdf/Woodland%20Revels%20Tune%20and%20Chords%20Concert.pdf

It always makes me smile when I hear it....plus pleanty of scope for a 'costume'

Now there's a good idea!

OK, now I might actually have to learn it, rather than just having the dots sitting around waiting to be learnt!
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Bob Ellis on October 02, 2009, 03:58:04 PM
I am getting spoilt for choice: Weasel's Revenge, Woodland Revels, Sherborne Waltz/Orange in Bloom, Princess Royal - they are all lovely tunes.  ???
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Clive Williams on October 02, 2009, 10:52:36 PM
Do all the tunes suggested make it into the final poll? 'Weasel's revenge' anyone?

I'll probably do a shortlist of 6 or so tunes to vote on while keeping other tunes on the main list so they may appear in following month's polls, much as happens in the Mandolin Cafe's similar area. Playing it by ear, if you'll pardon the pun... ;D

Clive
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Clive Williams on October 02, 2009, 10:56:48 PM
I propose something in keeping with the month of November

Not so much for November... but I did think in December we could have a lot of fun with a general 'play any Christmas carol/tune you like' remit... Ding Dong merrily on high, In Dulci Jubilo, Jingle Bells, etc all play very nicely, and there's lots more interesting possibilities...

Cheers,

Clive
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Bryson on October 03, 2009, 10:20:19 AM
What about something connected with Thanksgiving / Harvest Festival (Erntedankfest here in Germany) ...  I heard Midnight on the Water played on a hammer dulcimer at Folk Camp Germany this summer and I was immediately spellbound by the tune and the way it "fits" to the hammer dulcimer.
It also has more of a fall/autumn feeling of the beginning of a gentle reflection on the year passing. If it's on the short list it'll get my vote.
BTW Clive you're doing an excellent job .. thanks
 
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: HallelujahAl on October 05, 2009, 09:48:46 AM
Well - here's my suggestion and the dots for folk to have a look at / go at. The Bouree from George Frederick Handel's Music for the Royal Fireworks. I've arranged it in G major / E minor - though my the original is in Fmaj/Dmin. So if anyone want a copy in another key please let me know. It's a challenging piece because it modulates between major & minor and it also means that we need to get familiar with the high end of the instrument. Enjoy!
AL

What, what what!....'Classical' music on the melodeon???? Bah, humbug - it'll never catch on  ;)
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: xgx on October 05, 2009, 10:14:57 AM
..... Midnight on the Water played on a hammer dulcimer ......
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sounds like a sensitively played 1 voice box would add a little softness.....
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: graememackay on October 05, 2009, 10:21:31 AM
My grandfather wrote a great tune called Autumn in Glenaffric, but never published the dots, I'll see if I can write them down in time
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Clive Williams on October 05, 2009, 11:34:30 PM
My grandfather wrote a great tune called Autumn in Glenaffric, but never published the dots, I'll see if I can write them down in time

That would be grand! I don't suppose there's any chance of an ABC file is there?

Cheers,
Clive
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: graememackay on October 06, 2009, 12:49:51 AM
I haven't had a chance yet but will see what I can do.  I'm no master at abc but I'm someone will be able to convert it when I get the dots out of my head and onto a page.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: graememackay on October 07, 2009, 12:46:36 AM
Dots as promised, took longer than I thought, also taken a few attempts to attach it onto there but never mind,

original key is B major, sounds fantastic but I know it's not possible for all, so I've transposed it to C, but any key will do!

Beautiful waltz, I'm sure you'll agree, one of my fave tunes written my grandfather
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: stevejay on October 07, 2009, 04:42:02 AM
What about something connected with Thanksgiving / Harvest Festival (Erntedankfest here in Germany) ...  I heard Midnight on the Water played on a hammer dulcimer at Folk Camp Germany this summer and I was immediately spellbound by the tune and the way it "fits" to the hammer dulcimer.
It also has more of a fall/autumn feeling of the beginning of a gentle reflection on the year passing. If it's on the short list it'll get my vote.
BTW Clive you're doing an excellent job .. thanks
 

MIDNIGHT ON THE WATER. Old?Time, Waltz. USA, Texas. D Major. DDad tuning. AABB (Spandaro): AA'BB' (Brody, Matthiesen, Reiner & Anick). This popular composition is usually credited to Texas fiddler Luke Thomasson, although it has been published that Luke's son Benny (a famous Texas?style fiddler who popularized the melody) long remembered the night he heard both his father and uncle composing the tune on the family porch (c. 1900?).

 Several sources have noted this tune’s resemblance to an Oklahoma-collected tune called “Old Paint,” and there is an ongoing debate about whether “Midnight” is derivative of “Paint” (or vice versa). The Library of Congress recording "Cowboy Songs, Ballads, and Cattle Calls from Texas" (LOC lp L28), collected by John A. Lomax and edited by Duncan Emrich, has a version of the “Paint” song by Jess Morris which has quite similar melodic material with “Midnight on the Water.”

The liner notes to the album point out that Morris was born in 1878 and would perhaps have been contemporary with the Thomassons, who, like Morris, lived in the Texas panhandle. 

X:1

T:Midnight on the Water

L:1/8

M:3/4

K:D

DE|”D”.F2.F2 .FE|.F2.F2 .FE|FA3 B|A2 F2 DE |F2 d2 “G”B2|”D”A2F2 DE|”A”F2AFEF|”D”D4:|

|:”D”(3ABc|d4 de|d2c2 Bc|d4B AF|D4 d2|”Em”e4 ef|e2d2e2|”Bm”f3a fe|d2B2c2|”G”{c}d3c de|

dc BA Bc|”D”d3B AF|D4 DE|F2d2 “G”(Bd)|”D”A3(D DE)|”A”F2 (AFEF)|”D”D4:|

Actually I thought Jay Ungar wrote it, but that was because I first heard it on Fennigs All Stars (New York)  album.  Those Fennig albums remind me a lot of the popular English Pub songs, but Conta dance music shares many tunes in common. Andy and Bill Spence have a GREAT festival in New York called the "Old Songs Festival" in Altamont New York. I used to go every year, great times.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Clive Williams on October 07, 2009, 11:55:48 PM
Dots as promised, took longer than I thought, also taken a few attempts to attach it onto there but never mind,

original key is B major, sounds fantastic but I know it's not possible for all, so I've transposed it to C, but any key will do!

Beautiful waltz, I'm sure you'll agree, one of my fave tunes written my grandfather

Thanks for that Graeme - next time you've got your camera set up, you couldn't do us a quick recording by any chance could you?

Cheers,

Clive
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: graememackay on October 08, 2009, 12:19:27 AM
Will do Clive
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Sandy on October 08, 2009, 09:11:00 AM

L'Inconnu d'Limoise (French mazurka by Maxou Heintzen) - and here's a nice version of it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWKISP3IVzI)


I really like this.

Otherwise, Orange in Bloom would get my vote. (need to learn it).

cheers

Sandy
 (:)
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: brianread on October 08, 2009, 09:19:11 AM

L'Inconnu d'Limoise (French mazurka by Maxou Heintzen) - and here's a nice version of it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWKISP3IVzI)


I really like this.

cheers

Sandy
 (:)

agreed excellent tune, and I need to practise waltzes this'll get my vote uness something else pops up that attracts.  Still listening to it, I like the chords on there own variation at the end (i often do that myself, although not generally at the end).
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Lester on October 08, 2009, 09:34:12 AM

L'Inconnu d'Limoise (French mazurka by Maxou Heintzen) - and here's a nice version of it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWKISP3IVzI)


I really like this.

cheers

Sandy
 (:)

agreed excellent tune, and I need to practise waltzes this'll get my vote uness something else pops up that attracts.  Still listening to it, I like the chords on there own variation at the end (i often do that myself, although not generally at the end).


Agreed this is my fav for next month

Brian - It is a Mazurka not a waltz so the bass has different emphasis. I used to play it a a slow waltz until I attended the Vienna session where they play it as a mazurka for the dance which changed my view of the tune.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Theo on October 08, 2009, 10:49:43 AM

Brian - It is a Mazurka not a waltz so the bass has different emphasis. I used to play it a a slow waltz until I attended the Vienna session where they play it as a mazurka for the dance which changed my view of the tune.

Took the words right out of my fingers Lester.

I believe the difference is more than just different emphasis in the bass.  It is a different rhythm which means the melody has to be played differently too.  Ideally you need to do the dance, or at least watch the dance to understand exactly the mazurka rhythm.  The three beats in a mazurka bar are pretty much equal, and the tempo can be little slower too.  In some versions of the dance there is a lift in the third beat of alternate bars which should come through in the music. 
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Keithypete. on October 08, 2009, 11:47:45 AM
Good luck trying to call that one at your next ceilidgh. :|glug
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: brianread on October 08, 2009, 11:55:13 AM
Brian - It is a Mazurka not a waltz so the bass has different emphasis. I used to play it a a slow waltz until I attended the Vienna session where they play it as a mazurka for the dance which changed my view of the tune.

that'll make it even more interesting then....
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: ladydetemps on October 08, 2009, 03:05:10 PM
Was wondering when will the poll be posted so everyone has a chance to vote before november starts?
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Clive Williams on October 08, 2009, 04:01:59 PM
Was wondering when will the poll be posted so everyone has a chance to vote before november starts?

Oh about a week or so before the end of the month. Gotta build up tension you know!  ;D

Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Chris Ryall on October 09, 2009, 06:20:19 PM
  Can I have "Mama's got a squeezebox" (Townshend) please  D3R

[Edit]  Thanks to Clive for the webcam instructions. Also on the first 'one man thread' I've seen on this forum! Don't fret Clive - just winding you up  ;D
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: stevejay on October 09, 2009, 06:49:32 PM
Is there any way we could just have a clean list of all the submissions without the critiques/comments?

maybe one admin thread only that lists the submissions... If a couple of days goes by, you have to search through a lot of pages.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Clive Williams on October 09, 2009, 11:55:21 PM
hmm... what about Woodland Revels http://www.thevisiblesound.co.uk/pdf/Woodland%20Revels%20Tune%20and%20Chords%20Concert.pdf

It always makes me smile when I hear it....plus pleanty of scope for a 'costume'

Do you know I rather dread what will happen to Princess Royal for much the same reasons...
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Clive Williams on October 10, 2009, 12:11:17 AM
Is there any way we could just have a clean list of all the submissions without the critiques/comments?

maybe one admin thread only that lists the submissions... If a couple of days goes by, you have to search through a lot of pages.

Here you go!  (http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php/topic,2648.0.html)
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Lester on October 10, 2009, 07:49:02 AM
Following Clive's advice

L'Inconnu d'Limoise

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0uX_5BIiyA

X: 1
T:L'inconnu de Limoise
M:3/4
L:1/8
S:J F Heintzen
R:Mazurka
Z:Steve Mansfield
K:G
D G>A|B2 B>BcA|B2 B>Bc>d|c2 c>B A>G|D3 D G>A|
B2 B>BcA|B2 B>Bc>d|c2 c>B A>G|A3::
B c>d|e2 g>f e>f|d3 c B>A|G>F G>A B>G|
D4 G>F|E2E>F G>A|G2F2E2|1F2 F>G A>
B|A3:|2F2F>G A>F|G3||
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Chris Ryall on October 10, 2009, 08:01:33 AM
L'Inconnu d'Limoise

This one - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qPZu8e2UjE is murderously slow for dancing to, but pleasantly slow for learning fingering and chords. Should be about twice as fast once mastered - as per Lester's reference
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: waltzman on October 10, 2009, 03:50:21 PM

Brian - It is a Mazurka not a waltz so the bass has different emphasis. I used to play it a a slow waltz until I attended the Vienna session where they play it as a mazurka for the dance which changed my view of the tune.

I believe the difference is more than just different emphasis in the bass. 


I agree with this completely. I think it's a mistake to think that the difference in the feel of the tune comes from the bass.  In my opinion the feel of the tune is created entirely by the melody and the right hand and what you do with the bass side can either detract or add to it.  In the case of a waltz vs. a mazurka, the left hand can do exactly the same thing and the tune will come out right as long as you get the correct feel in the melody.... IMHO.






Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Chris Ryall on October 10, 2009, 04:12:39 PM
I'd say there are several Mazurkas. The Morvan style is always led with the outside foot. I've seen similar from someone teaching German style but it was long ago and little experience since. But basically the dance's movement is linear for the first 4 bars, and then they do a turn.

In central France they presently (viewed from top) do a quarter turn counter clockwise followed by a 1¼ clockwise to end facing more or less as they'd started. I call this an 'asymmetric' mazurka, and it took me longer to master than any other French dance paradigm.

The lilt of the tune is different, and these 'asymmetrics' are often in a 9/8 rhythm when you look at them closely. I made the error of medleying a 'linear' mazurka tune with an asymmetric one. Alhough we've all seen more eggregiously awkward rhythm changes in sessions, this one embarassed me deeply and also 'upset' the dancers - in both senses.

The easiest way to play mazurka is to pick a competent couple and simply accompany them. Stéphane Delique did this to me at about 3am at a Grand Bal de l'Europe - I ended up commuting to Paris for 18 months! It's in there with the tango as one of the World's great sensual dances, and deserves the same subtlety of touch.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: graememackay on October 11, 2009, 07:28:28 PM
Hello, I've managed to record Autumn in Glenaffric as requested by Clive.

Enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyW0Vrngyuw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyW0Vrngyuw)
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: NeilA on October 11, 2009, 09:25:21 PM
What a beautiful tune! You must be very proud that he wrote it. It got the hairs on the back of my neck standing up.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: craigus on October 11, 2009, 10:16:16 PM
I've been watching the youtube video of L'Inconnu de Limoise over and over - it's such a beautiful tune!
It's definitely got my vote - either that or Graeme's grandad's tune, just because playing a tune someone's grandad wrote is such a lovely idea.
Can anyone tell me why L'Inconnu de Limoise sounds so familiar? Has it been recorded recently or been on a CD? I thought it may have been done by Wood and Cutting, but I don't think so.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: ganderbox on October 11, 2009, 10:47:31 PM
Can anyone tell me why L'Inconnu de Limoise sounds so familiar? Has it been recorded recently or been on a CD? I thought it may have been done by Wood and Cutting, but I don't think so.

The first few bars sound to me rather like Michael Turner's, and the B reminds me of the Oot Pik Waltz.

The rhythm of a mazurka is more bouncy than a waltz. The basic waltz step is Left, right, left, Right,left,right (ONE-two-three, ONE-two-three,) whilst a mazurka is Left, right, hop, Left, right, left
(ONE-two-HOP, ONE-two-three). If that makes sense.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: graememackay on October 11, 2009, 11:01:23 PM
What a beautiful tune! You must be very proud that he wrote it. It got the hairs on the back of my neck standing up.

I'm glad you enjoyed it.  He's written so many beautiful tunes.  The strange thing is that the  ones that became popular are not half as good as most of the others.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Owen Woods on October 12, 2009, 12:07:48 AM
That is a lovely tune. It makes me left leg tense up, which is always a good indicator that it's a cracking tune :)
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Clive Williams on October 12, 2009, 09:15:07 AM
Hello, I've managed to record Autumn in Glenaffric as requested by Clive.

Enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyW0Vrngyuw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyW0Vrngyuw)

Oh, that *is* lovely. Win the poll or not, I think I'll have a go at learning it. Thanks for sharing it with us!

Cheers,

Clive
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Clive Williams on October 12, 2009, 09:24:01 AM
Can anyone tell me why L'Inconnu de Limoise sounds so familiar? Has it been recorded recently or been on a CD? I thought it may have been done by Wood and Cutting, but I don't think so.

Well, isn't that odd. I'd consider it a session standard (which is why I nominated it) - despite being a "recently" composed French tune, most English sessions seem to know it - Frederic Paris' Canal in October is another such tune. If you've ever been to a French music or dance session in England you would almost certainly hear it. A quick search of my Windows Media Player library, and *none* of the CDs/downloads I have has this tune on it (it's originally a La Chavanee tune, and I don't have all their albums, but I'm sure you'll find it on one of them). {Nope, I lie. Nottinghams' RBB Band do it, but they don't know the name of it so call it 'Martin's Mazurka' - hi John, if you're reading by the way}

If Vivant ever do their 'difficult 2nd album' we were considering covering it - I've got another cracking mazurka that goes with it a charm.

Cheers,

Clive
[PS: No, Wood/Cutting don't do it, but they do do 'Canal in October' on one or other of their albums]
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: juker on October 12, 2009, 11:49:21 AM
Hello, I've managed to record Autumn in Glenaffric as requested by Clive.

Enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyW0Vrngyuw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyW0Vrngyuw)

Really lovely Graeme, thank you.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: craigus on October 12, 2009, 02:10:15 PM
Can anyone tell me why L'Inconnu de Limoise sounds so familiar? Has it been recorded recently or been on a CD? I thought it may have been done by Wood and Cutting, but I don't think so.

Well, isn't that odd. I'd consider it a session standard (which is why I nominated it) - despite being a "recently" composed French tune, most English sessions seem to know it - Frederic Paris' Canal in October is another such tune. If you've ever been to a French music or dance session in England you would almost certainly hear it. A quick search of my Windows Media Player library, and *none* of the CDs/downloads I have has this tune on it (it's originally a La Chavanee tune, and I don't have all their albums, but I'm sure you'll find it on one of them). {Nope, I lie. Nottinghams' RBB Band do it, but they don't know the name of it so call it 'Martin's Mazurka' - hi John, if you're reading by the way}

If Vivant ever do their 'difficult 2nd album' we were considering covering it - I've got another cracking mazurka that goes with it a charm.

Cheers,

Clive
[PS: No, Wood/Cutting don't do it, but they do do 'Canal in October' on one or other of their albums]

Ah ha!! Thanks Clive, your reference to la Chavannee reminded me where I've heard it - not actually on one of their albums, but on a compilation I've got of music from the Auvergne. (Musiques Traditionelles en Auvergne, AMTA 1996, if anyone's interested). It's got La Chavannee on it as well as Freddie P., and loads of other good artists. On this CD, L'Inconnu is played by the group Petite Suite Bourbonnaise with Maxou Heintzen himself on cornmeuse, J.M. Laurent on accordeon and Y.Guilloux singing!

P.S. I love Le Canal en Octobre (both the W&C version and Freddie's original); Here's my attempt to play it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTMlHvNf3-Y
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: graememackay on October 13, 2009, 01:49:18 AM
How about a wee tango?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8SLM41rOas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8SLM41rOas)

I played it too fast here...sorry
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: stevejay on October 13, 2009, 02:57:00 AM
That was beautiful  man (:)

I really has a feel of another time, another place.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: graememackay on October 13, 2009, 02:58:35 AM
Yeh it was just a wee thought.  I added it not knowing what to do with it, thought it might win a few hearts and become a tune of the month...
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Sandy on October 13, 2009, 08:21:00 AM
I think we have been beautifully TANGOED  ;D

thank you

cheers

Sandy
 (:)
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Chris Ryall on October 13, 2009, 08:56:15 AM
How about a wee tango?  I played it too fast here...sorry

Thanks very much for la cumparsita. Its a true standard but I didn't know the B music or its name.

Works beautifully as a tune your way, but if you're going to tuck that couple into bed - I'd say about 25% slower and chunk up the tango rhythm to near cliché point.  The collaborators need swing to power the more assertive manoeuvres in this ultimately sexy dance.  But in the end playing for tango is as much about accompaniment as performance (speaking as someone who's never mastered it).  :-\  Bit like morris in that respect - someone will shoot me down for saying this!

http://www.damianosarzier.com/ has a a couple of nice tangos in Pueblos and Sancho. Click the LH musiques link and try Pueblos which is IMO the more dancable of the two.

Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: ladydetemps on October 13, 2009, 09:14:37 AM
oh, I'd love to learn to play a tango. I think its one of mums fave dances (ballroom tango).
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: stevejay on October 15, 2009, 04:15:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EJyvWjfePY

I'd take up either Soldiers Joy (easy) Ragtime Annie (harder) and best as a medley. I know this won't float.. there are some great versions of either on youtube, and some slower tutorials if you need them.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: ladydetemps on October 15, 2009, 04:16:55 PM
Donkey Riding ;)
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: stevejay on October 15, 2009, 06:00:33 PM
I don't even care anymore, maybe it's time to start the vote Clive ;D
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: graememackay on October 15, 2009, 07:02:57 PM
Everyone is so keen, maybe we should be doing tune of the week?
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: HallelujahAl on October 15, 2009, 07:07:05 PM
Quote
Everyone is so keen, maybe we should be doing tune of the week?
What a good idea!!!
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: NeilA on October 15, 2009, 07:19:02 PM
Oh nooooo!! Head spinning, arms aching, hallucinations of repeating melodies - over and over and over and..... Is it swine flu?........No it's Tune Of The Week!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Chris Ryall on October 15, 2009, 09:39:59 PM
Oh nooooo!! Head spinning, arms aching, hallucinations of repeating melodies - over and over and over and..... Is it swine flu?........No it's Tune Of The Week!!!!!!!!

Not for me please.

I think a month has been about right on the test run and that weekly tunes would start to overlap and lose focus. I personally rarely let a tune out until I've had it 3 or 4 months. So TOTM is just fine. No great preference as to which come next. Speed the Plough has been a delightful revelation.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: HallelujahAl on October 15, 2009, 10:02:22 PM
Quote
I personally rarely let a tune out until I've had it 3 or 4 months.
Coor! That's a bit tight...I play out at least two or three new tunes a week  - couldn't handle only playing a new tune out once every 3 or 4 months... that would drive me potty...(too late say some)
 ;D
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Bananayogi on October 15, 2009, 10:26:15 PM
Once a month is enough...    :-*   :||:
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: GbH on October 15, 2009, 11:21:08 PM
Once a month is enough...    :-*   :||:

Agreed.  A month potentially allows ideas to develop and grow.  I somehow doubt we've seen the last (or possibly best?) of StP yet...
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Sandy on October 15, 2009, 11:46:56 PM
Once a month is enough...    :-*   :||:

Quite...I can only cope with 'Pre Melodeon Tension' once a month !!  :D

Cheers

Sandy
 (:)
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: graememackay on October 16, 2009, 01:35:39 AM
fair enough.

Will just have to pop in the odd unofficial "granny" tune instead.

Eh Al?
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: juker on October 16, 2009, 08:12:35 AM
fair enough.

Will just have to pop in the odd unofficial "granny" tune instead.

Eh Al?

I don't think he needs any encouragement  (:)
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: HallelujahAl on October 16, 2009, 08:41:05 AM
Quote
Al - I think you should adopt this as your profile signature.
Working on a new profile sig even as we speak!

BTW was there ever produced a 'Tune a Day' for melodeon? Seems a reasonable idea to me. StP for a whole month has just about done my head in already - I'm bored already!
AL
 ;D
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Lester on October 16, 2009, 08:54:50 AM
I'm bored already!

So we can expect your magnum opus of StP in multiple keys, modes, major and minor to show you have fully experienced the tune?

ps If you want some tunes try THIS (http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/420691/all_the_tunes.abc)
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: graememackay on October 16, 2009, 11:19:01 AM
I'm bored already!

So we can expect your magnum opus of StP in multiple keys, modes, major and minor to show you have fully experienced the tune?

ps If you want some tunes try THIS (http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/420691/all_the_tunes.abc)

That'll keep us busy for a minute or two.  What about next weeks nomintation?  ;D
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Tyker on October 16, 2009, 01:47:31 PM


ps If you want some tunes try THIS (http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/420691/all_the_tunes.abc)


Thanks , Lester . Your collection of ABCs contains Ouvrez La Porte . I can now attempt to emulate
Tim van Eyken and the basses !
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: stevejay on October 16, 2009, 03:39:01 PM
If some are bored by 1 tune a month, how about they play the chosen tune and follow it up with a tune of choice that fits in their opinion. That could be an option, not a requirement.

It will also get people into the habit of stringing tunes together. A couple of times through STP is enough for anyone. ::) A change in tonality etc will spice things up.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Chris Ryall on October 17, 2009, 07:50:38 AM
It will also get people into the habit of stringing tunes together. A couple of times through STP is enough for anyone. ::) A change in tonality etc will spice things up.

Sorry, I very much disagree with this (assuming you are serious). The tendency to medley has I think held back development of British music more than anything else.

The beauty of TOTM has been to show the breadth of expression that can be put into a single melody. While a session can't be expected to take it into Gm - the Em versions aren't to hard. The left hand rhythmic variation has been superb.

Twice through: auto-switch to a different tune. We haven't really done anything remotely creative have we?  And we surely won't in the next tune either before we switch to yet another. Still less have we listened to other players in the room and responded to their way of playing. Strong opinion I admit. Perhaps dangerously so with fireworks just coming on sale ... Chris Ryall  >:E
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: HallelujahAl on October 17, 2009, 10:38:55 AM
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A couple of hundred times through STP is still not enough for anyone

'Tis for me Steve - obviously I have a short little attention span, and am definitely musically uncultured as I think StP is one of the most boring tunes on the planet regardless of what key or modality one plays it in. Heaven forbid that next month we'll be flipppin'  Donkey Riding!
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Owen Woods on October 17, 2009, 11:17:33 AM
I'm with Chris on this one. Playing through a tune ad nauseam forces you to do interesting and innovative things with it.

And in my local session we play things through twice and twice only. When I was at Sidmouth, playing things 3, 4 or 5 times was a revelation.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: stevejay on October 17, 2009, 02:20:37 PM
It's what you do with the tune, I agree with that.

 As a relative newcomer though, I feel it's best I learn the tunes kind straight for now. Donkey Riding is more interesting than STP and doesn't have that repetitive "devils dream" thing going on. Devils Dream makes a nice medley with Sailor's Hornpipe. There is a Harper's Frolic/Bonnie Kate on Youtube out there which just sounds great together.


I can't see what's wrong with putting tunes together, but it's all good and I'm glad to do whatever the group decides. Just thought with the bonus tune, some of the advanced members would like to show off another as well... np though.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Chris Ryall on October 17, 2009, 04:20:08 PM
While I'm not lobbying for donkey riding or anything else, I've counted out the notes (roughly) and discarded repeated whole phrases. In these terms STP expresses in 38 notes and DR in only 27. I've always seen Donkey Riding as a very simple medody and this seems to bear that out.

.. but the simpler the tune, the more you can do with it  >:E

[edit] The limitation of 3BM is that it is all on a single chord. While Coltrane or Miles Davis might have been able to do something with it (not to mention Ray Charles  8), it'd be a challenge on a box as that chord is major. DR has a similar trait in 'riding' its tonic chord for a long time - but at least it's interspaced with stretches of nice, blousey, flexible dominant Vth.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: HallelujahAl on October 17, 2009, 04:22:22 PM
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.. but the simpler the tune, the more you can do with it
Well that's decided then - we'll do 'Three Blind Mice' A) section only!
 ;D
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: stevejay on October 18, 2009, 04:29:58 PM
Al, the simpler tunes will encourage all to participate at whatever level they are, so that's a good thing.

Mostly I'm glad the submissions will all be in one place. This was the biggest roadblock, but the moderators have remedied it. Whatever tune is chosen, some aren't going to like it.

I really have trouble understanding how building a medley is a bad thing though. Part of the fun is moving into another tune which fits the spirit of something just played that compliments it. I could never be covinced otherwise, and it will become an aspiration. It can only help, especially since the number of tunes you know is generally more useful than how fancy you can play a few.

Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Lester on October 18, 2009, 05:31:27 PM
I really have trouble understanding how building a medley is a bad thing though. Part of the fun is moving into another tune which fits the spirit of something just played that compliments it. I could never be convinced otherwise, and it will become an aspiration. It can only help, especially since the number of tunes you know is generally more useful than how fancy you can play a few.

I don't think the proponents of non-medleys (me for one) are saying that medleys are always a bad thing just that only ever playing a tune twice or thrice before moving on can rob you of a different experience.

If we ever meet up at a session you will know it's me because I will play tunes 4/5 times through just for the hell of it to see what develops. Mostly I just get stared at for breaking the unwritten rules  (:)
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Ollie on October 21, 2009, 11:08:54 PM
I'd like to nominate Twin Sisters, the tune commonly used for the Upton-upon-Severn Stick Dance, cos it's bloody brilliant. Makes me grin from ear to ear everytime I hear the Albion Band's (well, one of Hutching's bands) version  ;D
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Keithypete. on October 22, 2009, 01:49:06 PM
I am re-submitting the ABC for 'FARAWAY, my nomination for TOTM.november:


X:1
T:Faraway
C:Pete Jung
L:1/8
M:3/4
K:C
z4EG|:A2AG Ac|BGE2EG|A2AG Ad|B2GG cB|
A2FG Ac|BAG2cd|1ed cB AG|A2AG EG:|2ed cB AG||
A2AB cd|:e2ed eg|dB GB cd|e2ed eg|d2 GG cd|ec Ad BG|
cA Fc AF|E2A2AG|1A2AB cd:|2A2AG EG||

X:1
T:Faraway
C:Pete Jung
L:1/8
M:3/4
K:D
z4FA|:B2BA Bd|cAF2FA|B2BA Be|c2AA dc|
B2GA Bd|cBA2de|1fe dc BA|B2BA FA:|2fe dc BA||
B2Bc de|:f2fe fa|ec Ac de|f2fe fa|e2 AA de|fd Be cA|
dB Gd BG|F2B2BA|1B2Bc de:|2B2BA FA||

I am extremely grateful for the assistance of Lester, who has tidied it up, by removing unnecessary 'stuff'. He has also transposed it into D to make it more user-friendly. Thanks again Lester. Enjoy. :Ph :|glug


Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Keithypete. on October 23, 2009, 10:42:52 AM
I am re-submitting the ABC for 'FARAWAY, my nomination for TOTM.november

New one on me but at first glance/hum I like it.
And a zillion times preferable to bloody DR.
But aren't these in Am and Bm respectively?


Hmmm. Maybe technically they are in those keys, but whilst its not truly jolly, neither is it melancholy. I think it just sort of modulates right at the end ???  Ask the experts. In C/Am it is playable all on the C row - I learnt it on a C/G conc. Likewise in D - one row only, unless you need to match basses by crossing rows. However its a lovely tune.


(P.S.) when does voting start?

(P.P.S) sheet music here:  http://www.diato.org/tablat/tab28.gif
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Clive Williams on October 23, 2009, 10:50:55 AM
Quote from: Keithypete
(P.S.) when does voting start?
Real soon now...  :|glug
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Stiamh on October 23, 2009, 01:54:13 PM
I am re-submitting the ABC for 'FARAWAY, my nomination for TOTM.november

New one on me but at first glance/hum I like it.
And a zillion times preferable to bloody DR.
But aren't these in Am and Bm respectively?

Definitely in Bm as far as I'm concerned.

Some of us around here play what to my mind is a definite improvement on what seems to be the composer's version - saving the cascading ending for the second time through the B part. It comes as a nice surprise that way, delayed gratification. Like this:

X:1
T:Faraway
C:Pete Jung
S:Montreal variant
M:3/4
L:1/8
K:Bm
z4FA|:B2BA Bd|cAF2FA|B2BA Be|c3 cdc|
B2GA Bd|cAF2 de|1fe dc BA|B2BA FA:|2fe dc BA|
B2Bc de|:f2fe fa|ec Ac de|f2fe fa|
[1e4 de|f2fe fa|ec A2 Bc|d2 c2 BA!B2 Bc de :|
[2e3 ede|fd Be cA|dB Gc BA|F2B2BA|B2BA FA||
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Keithypete. on October 23, 2009, 02:05:22 PM
If everything from last month that got at least 2 votes is included in the november poll, this could go on for a while - they all got at least 2 votes. ???


It's hard to hear it resolving on anything other than Bm in the final bar, but it could easily open with G and D chords.
So nicely ambiguous and flexible - plus a nice and simple tune too. All the ingredients of a good totm.
Shame we'll get Donkey Riding.


Glad you like it. We don't have to have Donkey riding.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Clive Williams on October 24, 2009, 12:50:32 AM
If everything from last month that got at least 2 votes is included in the november poll, this could go on for a while - they all got at least 2 votes. ???

There's so many nominations I'm having to change things around a bit, so no, not all of last months nominations make it into November's poll (though they do remain on the shortlist). In fact, because all the other poll tunes got 'beaten' by Princess Royal last month, I think it's fair to assume they would probably also lose if put head-to-head against it again this month, so the only tune from last month that makes it through to this month's poll is Princess Royal. Does that make sense?

Shame we'll get Donkey Riding.

Not in this month's poll. Next month, eh?

Cheers,

Clive
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: HallelujahAl on October 24, 2009, 09:09:02 AM
re: Donkey Riding
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Save it for Palm sunday

LOL! Good one Chris!
 ;D
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Lester on October 24, 2009, 10:29:32 AM
Should any of you advanced players think Princess Royal as to hackneyed/easy try this version from Ducklington:

X: 5
T:Princess Royal, Ducklington
M:4/4
L:1/8
A:Ducklington
K:Gm
P:A
d>c|B2A>B G2d>c |B2A>B  G2c>d|  e2c2   c>de>c|d2B2 B2d2|
c2B2  A2G2  |F>GF>E D2d2 |(3BcB AG A2F2  |G4   G4  ||
P:B
K:Dm
d2c2  d2ee  |f2F2   F4   | f2e2    d2cB  |A2G2 G4  |
F2G2  A4    |B2c2   d4   | c2A2    B4    |A2D2 G4  |
F2E2  D2FG  |A2D2   D2AG |(3FGF ED E2C2  |D4   D4  ||
P:C
A3G|F4 EF3|D4 A3G |F4 EF3 |
M:3/4
L:1/8
D4 GA |
M:4/4
=B2G2 G>AB>G|
M:6/4
L:1/8
A2F2  F4 A4 |
M:4/4
F4 E4 |D4 F2G2|A4 D4 |
M:3/4
L:1/8
D4 AG|
M:4/4
(3FGF ED E2C2|D4 D4 ||

ps I voted for something else
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: HallelujahAl on October 24, 2009, 10:39:01 AM
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ps I voted for something else
me too - though that vdersion of PR looks great fun!
I voted for Jim Mackay's great tune.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Lester on October 24, 2009, 11:02:43 AM
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ps I voted for something else
me too - though that vdersion of PR looks great fun!
I voted for Jim Mackay's great tune.

Al, it's a secret ballot  ;D
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Owen Woods on October 24, 2009, 03:44:02 PM
Should any of you advanced players think Princess Royal as to hackneyed/easy try this version from Ducklington:

The ABC doesn't work, but I've tried the one in my black book (in Gmin) on my clarinet, nice tune. Princess Royal is one of my favourite tunes, but I haven't heard that one!
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Lester on October 24, 2009, 03:52:17 PM
Should any of you advanced players think Princess Royal as to hackneyed/easy try this version from Ducklington:

The ABC doesn't work, but I've tried the one in my black book (in Gmin) on my clarinet, nice tune. Princess Royal is one of my favourite tunes, but I haven't heard that one!

Works Ok for me in both ABC Navigator (http://abcnavigator.free.fr/abcnvgt.php?lang=eng) and Concertina Net's Convert-a-Matic (http://www.concertina.net/tunes_convert.html)
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Owen Woods on October 24, 2009, 04:09:39 PM
I tried the tune-o-tron, weird. Ah well.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: HallelujahAl on October 24, 2009, 05:13:15 PM
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Al, it's a secret ballot

woops! Oh well - any guesses as to who voted for 'Granny Hold the Candle While I Shave the Chicken's Lip'?
 ;D
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: NeilA on October 25, 2009, 09:51:10 PM
Even with just under a week to go I think this is going to be close one! Is the forum going to be split down the middle? Which one to start practicing? Will it be the Moulins Mazurka or the Majestic Morris? Is there going to be a dark horse coming up on the outside - no not a Donkey Riding (non starter).

Tune in next week.............!!!

(Just trying not to think of work tomorrow)
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Keithypete. on October 25, 2009, 11:09:22 PM
No hanging chads please, vote tactically if you have to. We could have an interesting tune after all.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: ladydetemps on October 27, 2009, 10:29:39 AM
Will there be the abc, provided for the winning tune?
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Lester on October 27, 2009, 10:41:39 AM
Will there be the abc, provided for the winning tune?

ABC, Manuscript, example YouTube what ever you need 
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: brianread on October 27, 2009, 05:14:40 PM
I'm backing LIDL (oops, I think that has been used somewhere else).

Looks like it is making a dash for the finishing gate now........(ps need horse racing based emoticon).
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: melod-ian on October 28, 2009, 12:52:48 PM
damn that LIDL... It means im going to have to LEARN a tune! :P
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: ladydetemps on October 30, 2009, 02:39:12 PM
L'Inconnu d'Limoise...erm what's that mean in English...babelfish won't translate it. :|bl
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: boblsturm on October 30, 2009, 03:16:13 PM
It appears the vote is close between two tunes!

Perhaps when it is this close, people who have voted for a losing tune can remove their vote and vote on the last day of the month and vote for one of the two contenders? Like a two stage voting process sans hanging chads.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Bob Ellis on October 30, 2009, 03:41:19 PM
L'Inconnu d'Limoise...erm what's that mean in English...babelfish won't translate it. :|bl

It means "The Unknown of Limoise". Emmanuelle Pariselle told me that it was written to commemorate an incident when a cemetery in Limoise was being moved to a new site to make way for a new development. Somehow, the identities of the skeletons got mixed up during the process and nobody knows who some of them were any more. This must have been a problem when deciding which skeleton to bury beneath each headstone!  :|bl
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: ladydetemps on October 30, 2009, 03:49:39 PM
L'Inconnu d'Limoise...erm what's that mean in English...babelfish won't translate it. :|bl

It means "The Unknown of Limoise". Emmanuelle Pariselle told me that it was written to commemorate an incident when a cemetery in Limoise was being moved to a new site to make way for a new development. Somehow, the identities of the skeletons got mixed up during the process and nobody knows who some of them were any more. This must have been a problem when deciding which skeleton to bury beneath each headstone!  :|bl
oh dear! I suppose they couldn't DNA test them?

So I'll need a 'morning' outfit for this tune if it wins then? ;)
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Sandy on October 31, 2009, 01:53:13 PM
So can people edit their votes now ?? Are we going to see a sudden sprint to the end ??

Cheers

Sandy
 (:)

I was really keen on learning L'incconu d'limoise but now thinking (or panicking), what with all the tunes to learn for Witney, it might be better if Princes Royal won as it is already familiar. Hmmm.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Lester on October 31, 2009, 01:55:01 PM
So can people edit their votes now ?? Are we going to see a sudden sprint to the end ??

Cheers

Sandy
 (:)

I was really keen on learning L'incconu d'limoise but now thinking (or panicking), what with all the tunes to learn for Witney, it might be better if Princes Royal won as it is already familiar. Hmmm.

There is two week after Witney, stick with it, it's a wonderful tune
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Sandy on October 31, 2009, 03:14:16 PM
I think you are right Lester, and I adore the tune. Think also that I haven't really understood yet the difference between Mazurka and 3/4 time  :|bl.  Maybe if it wins I can spend some time listening to it and learning from others...I suppose that's what it's all about. Must say I am absolutely delighted with all of the Speed the Plough entries. Tune of the month is a wonderful idea.

Cheers

Sandy
 (:) p.s. I'll be sticking with my vote.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: ladydetemps on October 31, 2009, 04:47:00 PM
I was hoping princess royal would win.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Pete Dunk on October 31, 2009, 05:39:02 PM
Great playing Derek and I love the rich deep voice of the Salterelle, what are keys? (edited to add that I've just spotted the comments on the youtube clip! Low G/C, it sounds grand).

I think that steady pace of this video would be a good starting point for people to learn it by ear:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWKISP3IVzI&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWKISP3IVzI&feature=related)
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Pete Dunk on October 31, 2009, 06:21:09 PM
Is it just me or are there a lot of similarities between L'Inconnu d'Limoise and Michael Turner's Waltz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdy9vOASoDU)?
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Bryson on October 31, 2009, 06:36:47 PM
Someone, I think Sandy? Steve? said they played the two tunes as a set. As waltzes.
I've been told that Mr Turner's was written by Mozart II, :)
Whatever... we sometimes play MTsW at a dance session in a local park (summers only) . If I remember correctly the last time we played it ... we played it for what seemed like hundreds of time.. and still they wanted more......
I think the two tunes could work well together. Different keys? If so which? and then in what order would you play them?
I currently play MTsW in G.
Title: Re: Nominations thread for the next Tune of the Month (November)
Post by: Lester on October 31, 2009, 06:58:13 PM
Someone, I think Sandy? Steve? said they played the two tunes as a set. As waltzes.
I've been told that Mr Turner's was written by Mozart II, :)
Whatever... we sometimes play MTsW at a dance session in a local park (summers only) . If I remember correctly the last time we played it ... we played it for what seemed like hundreds of time.. and still they wanted more......
I think the two tunes could work well together. Different keys? If so which? and then in what order would you play them?
I currently play MTsW in G.

From The Session.org

This tune was in fact composed in 1788 by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (KV 536, No. 2, ‘Six German Dances’)Waltz in G. It is not clear how it came to be ascribed to Michael Turner (1796-1885) of Warnham, Sussex. He was a fiddler, shoemaker, parish clerk and sexton. As well as playing for dances, he led the Warnham church band until 1847, when the it was replaced by an organ.