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Discussions => Tune of the Month => Topic started by: Clive Williams on August 01, 2020, 07:20:26 AM
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Nice choice everyone! A lovely tune by Vasen guitarist Roger Tallroth, here ably demo'ed by Jamie Huddlestone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbeIIRPpXHQ
As you would expect, lots of ABC of different versions on The Session here: https://thesession.org/tunes/1016 together with some interesting backstory on the tune - composed for Roger's niece's christening apparently.
You can hear with Roger himself playing it with Vasen here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfUpGaPnZsA to get an idea of Roger's original version, but this is one of those tunes that's so common, you'll hear lots of different versions. Plays nicely on one row when I gave it a shot earlier (maybe I missed a few notes!).
Enjoy,
Clive
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https://youtu.be/aMucba0j7_w
Best wishes from Suffolk. Stay safe.
Bill
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Here's my version: https://youtu.be/F91-9B8wDDM (https://youtu.be/F91-9B8wDDM)
It's a tune that I already play, so I thought I could get in early this time!
John
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Had the recording stuff out today for the "local" virtual session, so had a go at this. Frankly, I think I can do better, so may do another stab later in the month. But in the meantime, here we go, played in C on a Van der Aa in G/C.
https://youtu.be/zm_YLdflXDY
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I heard this tune a while back on Liberty Bellows website. Loved the tune but didn't know what the name was. It was being played on a B/C Lilly. Now I know the name.
Here it is. Now to try to learn it.
https://youtu.be/jBQTgbRaKA0?t=22
Ken
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I have always known this as Josefin’s Waltz. Am I showing my ignorance in not knowing what a Dopval is?
Anyway, here is my version - using a loop pedal. Not sure if it will be frowned upon, but I have seen multiple screen items included here, so I think this is very similar!
C
https://youtu.be/U49j08_DcmU
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Am I showing my ignorance in not knowing what a Dopval is?
No, it's just a Swedish word that none can be expected to know.
It means "baptism waltz" if I'm not mistaken.
I think you played a very lively version here and your chord choices were nice. I much prefer the drive of your version to most slower renditions of the tune.
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I have always known this as Josefin’s Waltz. Am I showing my ignorance in not knowing what a Dopval is?
Anyway, here is my version - using a loop pedal. Not sure if it will be frowned upon, but I have seen multiple screen items included here, so I think this is very similar!
C
https://youtu.be/U49j08_DcmU
I enjoyed that, Chris. The tune is growing on me a bit. Love the counter melodies (at least, I think they're counter melodies).
As I understand it, a Dopvals is a baptism waltz.
[cross posted with Fred ;D]
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[cross posted with Fred ;D]
great minds yadda yadda yadda :D
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As I understand it, a Dopvals is a baptism waltz.
[cross posted with Fred ;D]
I'm guessing dop is cognate with English dub as in "they dubbed him Bill the box."
Great version by the way, Chris.
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As I understand it, a Dopvals is a baptism waltz.
[cross posted with Fred ;D]
I'm guessing dop is cognate with English dub as in "they dubbed him Bill the box."
Great version by the way, Chris.
att dopa : to dip
To dub in the sense of naming or titling would be att dubba or " kalla för ". I'd stick with baptism or christening.
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Thanks Dick! An uneducated guess!
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By chance, I'd started learning this a couple of weeks before it came up as ToTM, though I've known it for ages.
https://youtu.be/FXS-flHF2mI
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Just noticed this nice version on a GC Preciosa:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id-fOnv0ZM4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id-fOnv0ZM4)
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I'd been listening to this and learning it anyway, meaning to get a video uploaded at some point. Nice to contribute to the TOTM for once!
I've been ill all week, and it seems just showering and getting dressed has brought me out feeling sweaty and weary, let alone squeezing away, so not my best rendition but it'll do. Hope you like it :-)
https://youtu.be/3mLIB-GxarY
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"just showering and getting dressed has brought me out feeling sweaty and weary,"
Get used to it, Mel. In twenty or thirty years or so it will become the norm, believe me!
Nice to see you on TOTM, by the way. Get well soon, and stay that way.
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I'd been listening to this and learning it anyway, meaning to get a video uploaded at some point. Nice to contribute to the TOTM for once!
I've been ill all week, and it seems just showering and getting dressed has brought me out feeling sweaty and weary, let alone squeezing away, so not my best rendition but it'll do. Hope you like it :-)
https://youtu.be/3mLIB-GxarY
Mel - that was lovely!
I like it that you have just gone for the pleasure of playing the tune, accepting whatever resulted, while just happening to have the camera/recorder running.
Hope you are feeling much better now... :-*
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https://accordeonaire.com/2020/08/07/josefins-dopvals-by-roger-tallroth/
One of my favorites. Played it straight and quick like a French waltz. I love the emotional, winsome, sentimental versions (looking at you, Dervish). Just trying it different.
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https://accordeonaire.com/2020/08/07/josefins-dopvals-by-roger-tallroth/
One of my favorites. Played it straight and quick like a French waltz. I love the emotional, winsome, sentimental versions (looking at you, Dervish). Just trying it different.
That's a great way to play it, Gary. Plenty of zip.
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On a G/C box this tune is playable in C and G, so what are the pro's and con's of either? I'm thinking of LH chord options or RH melody bellow reversals? The difference of key makes a big difference to this piece that I like a lot.
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That's a great way to play it, Gary. Plenty of zip.
Thanks!
On a G/C box this tune is playable in C and G, so what are the pro's and con's of either? I'm thinking of LH chord options or RH melody bellow reversals? The difference of key makes a big difference to this piece that I like a lot.
The original is in F (or, at least, the Dervish version which I learned it from is in F). I transposed to C and played it essentially as a one row tune (with one exception), using just the normal I, IV, and V. I have played it in G (or Bb on another box using "outside row" fingerings), but just replicated my C chords by crossing rows. I notice there is a lot of variation in the way this is played -- the sign of a good tune.
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Can anyone provide the ABC for this?
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Can anyone provide the ABC for this?
What key? Here's one in G. Other options are available.
X:1
T:Josefin’s Dopvals
T:Josefin’s Baptism / Christening Waltz
T:Josefin’s Waltz
C:Roger Talroth
S:Väsen
O:Swedish
M:3/4
L:1/8
K:Gmaj clef=treble
D|DGA|Bdc|BAG|D2 E|C>CC|EGF|E3|D2 D|
|DGA|Bdc|BAG|D2 E|C>CC| EFG|A3-|ABc||
dBd|g2 f|e3|d2 B|ced|cBA|B>cB|ABc|
|BAG|F2 G|G3|CDC|B,DG|FEF|G3-|G2 D||
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The problem I have playing this in G on my D/Gs is those middle Cs. I've been fudging it by playing the upper C with low E, against C bass or chord - seems to work but perhaps its a tune for the G/C...
J
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It may sit more naturally on the GC. Alternatively if you look on the session you'll see there is a version in D which jumps octaves to get round the problem. Poster plays flute or pipes, I think.
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The problem I have playing this in G on my D/Gs is those middle Cs. I've been fudging it by playing the upper C with low E, against C bass or chord - seems to work but perhaps its a tune for the G/C...
J
Have you tried playing the A half in the upper octave and dropping to the the middle one for the B part?1
edit. I take that back. Doesn't work in G. It works in D on a two voice though
X:1
T:Josefins Dopvals
T:Josefins Baptism / Christening Waltz
T:Josefin's Waltz
C:Roger Talroth
S:Väsen
O:Swedish
M:3/4
L:1/8
K:Dmaj clef=treble
A|:"D"Ade|"D"fag|"D"fed|"D"A2 B|"G"G>GG|"G"Bdc|"G"B3|"D"A2 A|
"D"Ade|"D"fag|"D"fed|"D"A2 B|"G"G>GG|"G"Bcd|"A"e3-|1"A"e2A|2"A"efg|]
"D"AFA|"D"d2c|"G"B3|"D"A2F|"G"GBA|"G"GFE|"D"F>GF|"A"EFG|
"D"fed|"A"c2 d|"D"d3|"G"GAG|"D"FAd|"A"cBc|"D"d3-|1"A"dFG:|2"D"d2 A|]
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I'm "playing" this on a G/C in the key of G, and I think that it sits really nicely pitch wise. I've noticed though that there's videos of G/C players playing it in C, which not in any way being a reflection of their performance sounds too high to my ears. But, their key choice could be down to LH bass and chord options, so would changing the key on a D/G box help in any way?
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Hi all, this is my version of Josefins Dopvals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdF3GQRf8fg
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Hi all, this is my version of Josefins Dopvals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdF3GQRf8fg
Wow. Very interesting chord choices! I'd love to know more!
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Have you tried playing the A half in the upper octave and dropping to the the middle one for the B part?1
edit. I take that back. Doesn't work in G. It works in D on a two voice though
That's what the version I mentioned on thesession does.
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Have you tried playing the A half in the upper octave and dropping to the the middle one for the B part?1
edit. I take that back. Doesn't work in G. It works in D on a two voice though
That's what the version I mentioned on thesession does.
;D ;D ;D
I looked at it just after I posted. Sorry. Yes that's exactly what I meant and how I'm trying to play it, except I'm in C, rather than D. Same difference, though (i.e. same buttons).
I would be interested to know if it works in G on an LMM DG. Or, have I already missed an example?
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My rather brash attempt at Josefins, which owes much in concept, if not execution, to Gary Chapins rather nice version.
It's the first time I've made a serious effort to play something on the pressed wood one row. I had to play quite hard to sound the A note, which seems to have a lazy reed. Even then it's a bit reluctant. Memo to self: book a trip to sunny St Ives.
https://soundcloud.com/greg-bradfield-smith/josefins-dopvals-07-08-20-1
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I had to play quite hard to sound the A note
I'm hearing a G that is playing a single reed instead of two. Is that the one you mean?
Could be a bit of dust sticking in the reed or a valve that has lightly glued itself to the plate, both easy to fix.
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https://accordeonaire.com/2020/08/07/josefins-dopvals-by-roger-tallroth/
One of my favorites. Played it straight and quick like a French waltz. I love the emotional, winsome, sentimental versions (looking at you, Dervish). Just trying it different.
Very enjoyable and lively version. I like your clean playing style and your attack. Thanks for posting!
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My rather brash attempt at Josefins, which owes much in concept, if not execution, to Gary Chapins rather nice version.
It's the first time I've made a serious effort to play something on the pressed wood one row. I had to play quite hard to sound the A note, which seems to have a lazy reed. Even then it's a bit reluctant. Memo to self: book a trip to sunny St Ives.
https://soundcloud.com/greg-bradfield-smith/josefins-dopvals-07-08-20-1
Great! Though I did find myself tuning in for that A and also anticipating the octave changes.
I think an attacking lively style like yours is what the tune is asking for. Thanks.
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I had to play quite hard to sound the A note
I'm hearing a G that is playing a single reed instead of two. Is that the one you mean?
Could be a bit of dust sticking in the reed or a valve that has lightly glued itself to the plate, both easy to fix.
That's it. When I said A I was thinking in D speak, not C.
https://soundcloud.com/greg-bradfield-smith/josefins-dopvals-07-08-20-1
Great! Though I did find myself tuning in for that A and also anticipating the octave changes.
I think an attacking lively style like yours is what the tune is asking for. Thanks.
Thank you ;D
It was good fun. On reflection, I think the octave change would have worked better if I had included the lead in notes both times through, but I forgot. When the error happened I played on through it, both times. I'll live with it.
I may try a thoughtful and reflective approach later on.
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Here's my attempt. Rather like Gary, I first fell in love with this on Dervish's 1996 recording with Väsen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnALHZhQVIo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnALHZhQVIo)
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Here's my attempt. Rather like Gary, I first fell in love with this on Dervish's 1996 recording with Väsen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnALHZhQVIo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnALHZhQVIo)
The playing is so good but the autofocus constantly zooming in and out makes my head dizzy. Could only listen and not watch but it was a great pleasure nonetheless!
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Thanks Fred. Being fairly visually illiterate, I hadn't even noticed. I obviously need lessons in making videos. Will seek guidance.
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I had to look 3 times before I could see the changes in focus that Fred's talking about.
I suspect I won't be able to unsee them now.
The first two times I was simply impressed at how sharp the picture was.
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I had to look 3 times before I could see the changes in focus that Fred's talking about.
I suspect I won't be able to unsee them now.
The first two times I was simply impressed at how sharp the picture was.
Most likely I'm just overly sensitive when it comes to those things. (I'm actually pretty certain about that. Probably almost nobody here can relate to that but I always turn off such visual effects when gaming on PC as well, e.g. head bobs when walking or motion blur when turning the camera.)
Still, this doesn't diminish CAB's playing in the slightest! I very much enjoyed the chord work. :||:
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Thanks Fred. Being fairly visually illiterate, I hadn't even noticed. I obviously need lessons in making videos. Will seek guidance.
Don't be so harsh on yourself as the video is perfectly fine. I personally would just advise to turn on manual focus instead of autofocus, if the camera permits. (:)
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My rather brash attempt at Josefins, which owes much in concept, if not execution, to Gary Chapins rather nice version.
It's the first time I've made a serious effort to play something on the pressed wood one row. I had to play quite hard to sound the A note, which seems to have a lazy reed. Even then it's a bit reluctant. Memo to self: book a trip to sunny St Ives.
https://soundcloud.com/greg-bradfield-smith/josefins-dopvals-07-08-20-1
Very nice. I have a two reed box with one note with one reed out and it does the exact same thing.
I really love your approach and the way the one-row guides you. It's like the one row causes problems (limitations), but also guides you in solving them.
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My rather brash attempt at Josefins, which owes much in concept, if not execution, to Gary Chapins rather nice version.
It's the first time I've made a serious effort to play something on the pressed wood one row. I had to play quite hard to sound the A note, which seems to have a lazy reed. Even then it's a bit reluctant. Memo to self: book a trip to sunny St Ives.
https://soundcloud.com/greg-bradfield-smith/josefins-dopvals-07-08-20-1
Very nice. I have a two reed box with one note with one reed out and it does the exact same thing.
I really love your approach and the way the one-row guides you. It's like the one row causes problems (limitations), but also guides you in solving them.
Thanks Gary. It was harder than I expected but enormously satisfying when it came together. It was heading in the direction it ended up in, but it took your post to give me the confidence to persevere.
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Here's my go. For the first time I used Microsoft's current video editor (in 'Photos') for mixing sound and vision, trimming, title etc.
https://youtu.be/G89CLitdW20
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Very pretty Mr McGrooger. Slower versions of the tune are growing on me.
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Here's an go at a more expressive version of Josefins Dopvals to contrast with my first attempt.
https://soundcloud.com/greg-bradfield-smith/josefins-dopvals
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Quite a contrast. A nice thoughtful version this time. I see you went for the octave jumping first time but preferred a slight adaptation of the tune this time. Both seem to work.
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Quite a contrast. A nice thoughtful version this time. I see you went for the octave jumping first time but preferred a slight adaptation of the tune this time. Both seem to work.
;D The second version was a lot easier to play than the first, for some reason. This version is in the original key of F. Chords are...poke around a bit and see what sounds like it works.
There are many settings on Youtube, but I recommend listening to Våsens version.
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;D The second version was a lot easier to play than the first, for some reason. This version is in the original key of F. Chords are...poke around a bit and see what sounds like it works.
There are many settings on Youtube, but I recommend listening to Våsens version.
Väsen...
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Quite a contrast. A nice thoughtful version this time. I see you went for the octave jumping first time but preferred a slight adaptation of the tune this time. Both seem to work.
Väsen...
;D The second version was a lot easier to play than the first, for some reason. This version is in the original key of F. Chords are...poke around a bit and see what sounds like it works.
There are many settings on Youtube, but I recommend listening to Våsens version.
Ah. I just copied and pasted of the posting I found.
Spelled correctly here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1A-Upzuuso
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"but I recommend listening to Våsens version."
I've been listening to it over the past few days (along with Anahata to get it into a key I could play) and also think it's lovely. I wasn't inspired by this tune at first, but it has definitely grown on me!
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That Våsen version is so beautiful! Had to hold back a tear. Is a flat key helpful?
My niece Josefin (no kid) starts A levels soon, but I recall her baptism, then quite unaware of this gorgeous tune. I truly missed a trick there!
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https://youtu.be/z47qzN2qlMo
https://youtu.be/ZEDpx1bAWQ8
My version is played with my new melodeon.
Le Romane Saltarelle D/G/acc is nice to play Josefins. (:) :|bl
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I've just noticed that the video I linked to is titled Väsen - Johsefins dopvals. Is Johsefins a more correct spelling?
That Våsen version is so beautiful! Had to hold back a tear. Is a flat key helpful?
Me too. It sold the tune to me. I think it goes nicely in F.
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It is, Greg, but that’s how her Swedish mum Viktoria spelled it.
I have just tried the tune in F, not a habitual key for me but the softness is worth the effort. D and G are a bit … assertive? I also need the key for Nic Jones ruins on the shore song which needs F to fit my voice comfortably. Not that my singers group has met … since I told them about viruses and choirs on March 12! 😕
Explaination: dop is Swedish for baptism (has anyone said that?) so I truly missed a trick 😉
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https://youtu.be/z47qzN2qlMo
https://youtu.be/ZEDpx1bAWQ8
My version is played with my new melodeon.
Le Romane Saltarelle D/G/acc is nice to play Josefins. (:) :|bl
Thank you Maki! That was a delight to listen to. I love your style, the boxes you play, and your skilful interpretation of the tune.
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In the Våsen version the first chord they are hitting is a minor one. This is where the whole feel of the tune is coming from for me. What is that chord? Struggling to figure it out as only have a D/G and am playing in Em with G (maj) currently as the first chord of choice.
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In the Våsen version the first chord they are hitting is a minor one. This is where the whole feel of the tune is coming from for me. What is that chord? Struggling to figure it out as only have a D/G and am playing in Em with G (maj) currently as the first chord of choice.
I don't think it's a minor chord. I think it's a C9 into the intro. Goes to an F when the tune starts. Won't sound the same on a melodeon, though.
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The guitar begins by alternating the bass note between D and Bb. Both "chords" contain a droning C note an octave above the bass note, nominally a flatted 7th in the first instance and a 9th (or 2nd) in the following.
The basic triads seem to be d/c/f and bb/c/f stretched over an octave and a half with other resonances/overtones lurking about.
Guitar seems to be tuned "Irish": DADGAD and capoed on the 3rd fret: FCFBbCF. The introductory strumming sounds as if only the bass notes are fretted (alternating between D and Bb) and all other strings open, sounding primarily extensions unless fretted, thus the c and f against the bass note...
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This was a new tune for me, but I enjoyed it. I tried a few different ways to play it, but ended up playing it fairly simply with some block chords.
https://youtu.be/BBtXQYAa900
Apologies for the poor sound quality...but you get the idea. It was a quick phone recording in between meetings...
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Well played, Peter!
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Here's me having a go at this tune:
Josefins Dopvals
https://youtu.be/oIQaFDhzL8E
Lots of RHS chords again, and like an ending of some kind. Don't really have much else to say.
edit: also here's some ABC. I'm not sure what the best way to write down these arrangements is, I usually do it like this all on one stave:
X:1
T: Josefins Dopvals
R: waltz
M: 3/4
L: 1/4
P:ABCBC
K:Gmaj
P:A
"G"[B,D][DG]"D"[FA]|"G"[GB]-[Gd] "D"[Fc]|"C"[EB]3/-[EA]/-[EG]|"Bm"[B,D]2 E|
"C" C2 C/C/|"C"[CE][CG][CF]|"Am"[A,E]3|"D"[A,D]3|
"G"[B,D][DG]"D"[FA]|"G"[GB]-[Gd] "D"[Fc]|"C"[EB]3/-[EA]/-[EG]|"Bm"[B,D]2 E|
"C"C2 C/2C/2| "Am"[A,E][A,F][A,G]|"D"[FA]3-|1 [FA]GE :|2 [FA][FB][Fc]||
P:B
|:"G"[Gd]-[GB]-[Gd]|"Bm"[Gg]2[Af]|"C"[cGe]3|"G/d"[GBd]3|
"C"[Gc]-[Ge][Gd]|"Am"[Ac]3/B/[EA]|"G"[DB]3/ c/[GB]|"D"[FA]-[FB]-[Fc]:|
P:C
"Em"[EB]-[EA]-[EG]|"B"[B,F]2[B,G]|"C"[CG]3|"C"CDC|
"G/d"B,-[B,D]-[B,DG]|"D"[DF]3/E/F|"G"[DG]3-|1[DG]Bc||2[DG]3||
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Kitchens always seem to have the best acoustics...
https://youtu.be/vZEzKStRRyE
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Dick. That's beautiful. What box? Love the wet. Also, I am going to steal high concept video idea.
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Dick. That's beautiful. What box? Love the wet. Also, I am going to steal high concept video idea.
Thanks!
My usual G/C Pokerworks, stock Hohner tuning, but the f# reed in the LH D triad is cracked and so taped off. I prefer it that way as I like to play D modal tunes and let the tonality be set by the RH as in First of May:
https://youtu.be/3erRd8znxGQ
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https://youtu.be/z47qzN2qlMo
https://youtu.be/ZEDpx1bAWQ8
My version is played with my new melodeon.
Le Romane Saltarelle D/G/acc is nice to play Josefins. (:) :|bl
Appreciating your contribution, Maki. I enjoy your tempo and choice of chords which sound just right to me. How amazing that you are Japanese person playing a Swedish tune on a French/Italian instrument invented by a German, contributing to a UK forum.
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https://youtu.be/z47qzN2qlMo
https://youtu.be/ZEDpx1bAWQ8
My version is played with my new melodeon.
Le Romane Saltarelle D/G/acc is nice to play Josefins. (:) :|bl
Appreciating your contribution, Maki. I enjoy your tempo and choice of chords which sound just right to me. How amazing that you are Japanese person playing a Swedish tune on a French/Italian instrument invented by a German, contributing to a UK forum.
She is marvellous! Check out her band ....
https://youtu.be/2dZH2cj8ewk
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Thanks everyone - time to move onto the next tune! Please stick any late contribs on the end here as usual :-)
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My band rehearsed for the first time since ... well, you know. We played Josefin's and it was kind of lovely.
https://accordeonaire.com/2021/05/17/we-got-the-band-back-together-le-bon-truc-plays-josefins-dopvals/