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Title: helping hand needed!
Post by: sqwzboxstudent on September 01, 2011, 08:37:17 PM
ive just composed my first ever jig!
maybe if there is a friendly clever mel.netter that maybe able to turn it into an ABC file/ dots so i can share it with the world????  (:)
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: Pete Dunk on September 01, 2011, 08:56:28 PM
If you mean someone who can transcribe it from a recording i.e.sound file, Steve_freereeder (http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php?action=profile;u=8) is your man. A very clever chap but often quite busy so you shouldn't be in any kind of a hurry ...

Pete
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: sqwzboxstudent on September 01, 2011, 09:09:11 PM
i have the notes written down but dunno how to write it as dots or ABC
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: Pete Dunk on September 01, 2011, 09:27:32 PM
Someone transcribing it straight from a recording is still the best option. Stick it on Youtube and ask Steve nicely. I'm sure there are others here who can do the same thing, I'm just not aware of them. If you do the Youtube and PM me the notes you are playing I may be able to ABC it ... in the fullness of time, by trial and error ...  :|bl
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: sqwzboxstudent on September 01, 2011, 09:48:18 PM
ok thanks pete il do it after work tomorow - im just worried ive spent ages putting a tune together and its gonna be the same as a well known one that ive never heard of !!!!
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: pikey on September 01, 2011, 10:51:29 PM
Put it on Youtube, send me the link and I'll transcribe with pen and paper (as long as it's not in  Eb minor....) :-)
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: Pete Dunk on September 01, 2011, 11:18:03 PM
Put it on Youtube, send me the link and I'll transcribe with pen and paper (as long as it's not in  Eb minor....) :-)

I hope you have a scanner to copy the pen and paper! From what I've heard it's in C# minor so it will be easy.  ::)
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: pikey on September 01, 2011, 11:24:45 PM
Yes, and PAHH !!!!! (:)
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: Pete Dunk on September 01, 2011, 11:27:12 PM
Yes, and PAHH !!!!! (:)
;D
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: sqwzboxstudent on September 02, 2011, 05:25:30 PM
ok here goes - finlays jig - sorry about the pauses - i dont know it that well !

http://www.youtube.com/user/smolt1451?feature=mhee

i have the notes / dots written out im just waitin fer me scanner to wake up!  ;D
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: sqwzboxstudent on September 02, 2011, 06:15:27 PM
here they are, would also like to hear any feed back about my tune!
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: Pete Dunk on September 02, 2011, 06:36:11 PM
Surely the B part is not right, there are three quavers too many. This also seems to be notated in 12/8 but you're playing in 6/8 on the video. I'm trying to transcribe this to abc for you but struggling ...
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: Pete Dunk on September 02, 2011, 06:46:22 PM
O.K., I watched the video a few times and I think this is about right. You'll have to fill in the C: field yourself as I don't know your name!

X:1
T:Finlay's Jig
C:
M:6/8
L:1/8
Q:3/8=130
K:G
P:A
|:gfe dcB | gfe d2B | gfe dcG | ABc BAG |
gfe dcB | gfe d2B | gfg age | def g3 :|
P:B
|:gfg gfe | ded dcB | A3 BcB | GAG FGA |
gfg gfe | ded dcB | ABc dfe | g3 def :|
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: sqwzboxstudent on September 02, 2011, 06:47:14 PM
ok.
its ment to be written as a normal jig  - 6/8 i think.

whats a quaver?

not a good start il try and record the b music again, i wanted it to have all the ins and outs of 1 row style
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: sqwzboxstudent on September 02, 2011, 06:47:51 PM
 tommy pearce!
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: sqwzboxstudent on September 02, 2011, 06:52:11 PM
thank you very much! is it a decent effort for a first composition or should i stick to the session tunes!??
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: Pete Dunk on September 02, 2011, 06:57:39 PM
I think it's a really good effort if you are new to writing tunes, it's musically correct and quite a pleasing melody in my opinion.  (:)

X:1
T:Finlay's Jig
C: Tommy Pearce
M:6/8
L:1/8
Q:3/8=130
K:G
P:A
|:gfe dcB | gfe d2B | gfe dcG | ABc BAG |
gfe dcB | gfe d2B | gfg age | def g3 :|
P:B
|:gfg gfe | ded dcB | A3 BcB | GAG FGA |
gfg gfe | ded dcB | ABc dfe | g3 def :|
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: sqwzboxstudent on September 02, 2011, 07:00:38 PM
any alterations i could make?
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: Lester on September 02, 2011, 07:17:48 PM
any alterations i could make?

Cool tune matey!,  I have made some changes but not sure it improves it or not:

X:1
T:Finlay's Jig
C: Tommy Pearce
M:6/8
L:1/8
Q:3/8=130
K:G
P:A
|:gfe dcB | g2e d2B | gfe dcG | ABc BAG |
gfe dcB | g2e d2B | gfg age | def g3 :|
P:B
|:gfg gfe | d2d dcB | A2A BcB | GAG FGA |
gfg gfe | d2d dcB | ABc dfe | g3 g3 :|
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: Pete Dunk on September 02, 2011, 07:20:20 PM
As a first tune I think I would pretty much leave it alone, don't listen to me though because I'm not too good at composition myself. All (or at least the vast majority of) beginners tend to write fairly obvious tunes to begin with and gradually become more adventurous as they gain experience. Besides, you wrote this for your son so it already has sentimental value for you.

If you'd like it to be different it's time to write a new tune. One suggestion I would make is to listen to a few tunes that you like in the same time signature you are going to use - jig in this case - and listen to the way other tune writers vary both rhythm and pitch to add variety and sometimes a quirky twist to a tune. Right now though you just need to get a few tunes under your belt.

Pete.

Ah, I see Lester has posted while I was writing this, adding a few bits of variety! I think the g3 at the end is best left until last time around.

EDIT: Typo!
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: sqwzboxstudent on September 02, 2011, 07:29:18 PM
thanks for that guys! i havent added any ornaments or trebble harmonies yet im gonna work on that with the band i think

lester - being as absent minded as i am i sometimes play it like that!   :||:

i wanted to write a tune for my 3yr old to make him feel special as we have a new arival on the way! - he scribbled on my tune workings! he loves his toy melodeon, we put a gabbanelli sticker and fake gem stones on it!

next tune is gonna be called romany sue for my mum who is currently recovering from surgery .

special trunes mean alot - even if there rubbish!
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: Lester on September 02, 2011, 07:45:48 PM
We put a gabbanelli sticker and fake gem stones on it!
;D  ;D
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: Pete Dunk on September 02, 2011, 08:19:45 PM
next tune is gonna be called romany sue for my mum who is currently recovering from surgery .

A tasteful slow air then, possibly in the Hungarian style. Chopin, Etude Tristesse (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5asPbs1-1Wc) and all that.  >:E
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: sqwzboxstudent on September 02, 2011, 08:24:26 PM
nah not my lot . faster ad more dotted!!  :o
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: sqwzboxstudent on September 02, 2011, 08:28:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/user/smolt1451?feature=mhee#p/f/7/SkSOlwrUZeU  >:E
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: Pete Dunk on September 02, 2011, 08:48:00 PM
Bloody Nora! She'll not be convalescing for long then!
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: sqwzboxstudent on September 03, 2011, 12:53:44 PM
did you think finlays jig is similair to any other tunes? im worried people wont think its an original!
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: sqwzboxstudent on September 03, 2011, 03:17:50 PM
started on the second today, will post it later
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: sqwzboxstudent on September 03, 2011, 09:15:28 PM
heres the A music for "romany sue"  dots and stuff to follow, sorry about the darkness!

http://www.youtube.com/user/smolt1451?feature=mhee

heres the B music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr36ujihIx0

all advice greatly recieved!
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: Lyn on September 04, 2011, 08:57:38 AM
Finlay's Tune - lovely, sounds like a Morris tune. I don't mean it sounds like a particular tune, just that it could be a rollicking good dance tune. Your mum's tune reminds me of...not Music Hall exactly....perhaps old fashioned pub tune is what I'm trying to say.

How great that you are marking the arrival of a new sibling for Finlay by composing his very own tune! Lucky boy. (:)
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: Owen Woods on September 04, 2011, 11:28:54 PM
I agree with tallship. There are various things that could be done to that tune to make it better, but then it wouldn't be your tune! I like it. For a first attempt it's pretty damn good. I'm terrible at writing decent tunes (having written 4 in my life, two of which I've decided were OK).

Basically, only change it if you understand why it needs to be changed and why it is better.
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: sqwzboxstudent on September 05, 2011, 04:30:52 PM
im actualy quite happy about my sons tune but a bit unsure about my mums - i think the B music needs some fettling its what a call a knees up tune!

Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: Pete Dunk on September 05, 2011, 06:20:23 PM
I'll do what I can to transcribe this to ABC. You asked what quavers were - they are eighth notes, 6/8 therefore means you have six of them to the bar. Your first six notes dcd cBA are one bar. Your first bar line comes after 35 eighth notes!  :o

Leave it with me ...  ;)
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: sqwzboxstudent on September 05, 2011, 07:56:27 PM
yeah i just put it there to confuse some one!  ;D
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: Pete Dunk on September 05, 2011, 11:43:27 PM
yeah i just put it there to confuse some one!  ;D

Erm, ... success!  :P
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: Steve_freereeder on September 06, 2011, 12:24:04 AM
OK - here's my transcription, based on both Tommy's Youtube playing and on his written notes.
Rather than a 6/8 lumpy jig, Tommy's playing is much more in the quite fast, fluid style of an Irish slide so I have notated it in 12/8 accordingly. It's a great tune and canters along very nicely indeed. I hope your Mum likes it!

Also - I have given two versions: the second one has the A music (which would otherwise be double-length) without the repeat, so that it now balances the same length as the B music, which I suggest is better. Tommy - what do you think?
PDF file attached below.


X:1
T:Romany Sue
C:Tommy Pearce
N:Jig/slide
N:Transcribed from Tommy's playing on http://www.youtube.com/user/smolt1451?feature=mhee#p/u/8/gd4wr0IdsmA and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr36ujihIx0
M:12/8
L:1/8
Q:3/8=126
K:D
P:A
dcd c2B A3 F3 | dcd c2B E3 E2B | cdc B2A cdc B2A | A2A Bcd e2d cBA |
dcd c2B A3 F3 | dcd c2B E3 E2B | cdc B2A cdc B2A |1 ABA ABc d6 :|2 ABA ABc d3-d2e ||
P:B
|: fef g2 f e3 B3 | efe c2B A3 A3 | fef g2f efe dcB | ABA ABc d6 :|



X:2
T:Romany Sue
C:Tommy Pearce
N:Jig/slide
N:Transcribed from Tommy's playing on http://www.youtube.com/user/smolt1451?feature=mhee#p/u/8/gd4wr0IdsmA and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr36ujihIx0
N:Part lengths rationalised to give equal length A and B music.
M:12/8
L:1/8
Q:3/8=126
K:D
P:A
dcd c2B A3 F3 | dcd c2B E3 E2B | cdc B2A cdc B2A |A2A Bcd e2d cBA |
dcd c2B A3 F3 | dcd c2B E3 E2B | cdc B2A cdc B2A | ABA ABc "No repeat" d3-d2e ||
P:B
|: fef g2 f e3 B3 | efe c2B A3 A3 | fef g2f efe dcB | ABA ABc d6 :|
W:
W:Part lengths rationalised to give equal length A and B music.
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: sqwzboxstudent on September 06, 2011, 04:37:07 PM
thanks steve thats great i knew there was something wrong with the b music
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: Steve C. on September 06, 2011, 06:42:10 PM
Already had "quavers" in my "Bringlish" dictionary.

Right after "jammy dodgers" and "oxters".
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: sqwzboxstudent on September 06, 2011, 06:45:34 PM
oxters?
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: GPS on September 06, 2011, 06:58:21 PM
oxters?
Armpits.
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: Pete Dunk on September 06, 2011, 07:26:14 PM
Already had "quavers" in my "Bringlish" dictionary.

Steve, you should also know that 'Quavers' are a brand of snack here, very similar to the 'prawn crackers' we get in Chinese restaurants in the UK. They're sold in small packets like crisps or 'potato chips' as they are called in the U.S.  ;)

Complete run-down of musical notes here...

Semi-breve - whole note (Yes! bizarrely a 'Breve' is two whole bars in 4/4!)
Minim - half note
Crotchet - quarter note
Quaver - eighth note
Semi-quaver - sixteenth note
Demi - semiquaver - thirtysecond note
Hemi -demisemiquaver - a sixtyfourth note

There may be smaller notes - I neither know nor care, as the last two on that list are too mind bogglingly tiny for me to comprehend.  :|glug
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: Steve C. on September 07, 2011, 01:36:01 PM
Thanks Pete.  Good to know there is a homonym there.

Still my favorite, when wanting to impress with Brit fluency: "that song sounds like "a dogs breakfast".

Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: Theo on September 07, 2011, 02:55:23 PM
Cue joke:

Fiddle player didn't believe that melodeon player could manage to play hemi-demisemiquavers.   So to prove he could the melodeon player played one! ;D
Title: Re: helping hand needed!
Post by: sqwzboxstudent on September 07, 2011, 03:47:24 PM
i think its meant to be a dogs dinner - and i hope you dont mean my tune!