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Forum and website admin => Support => Topic started by: Clive Williams on March 26, 2012, 09:03:46 AM

Title: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Clive Williams on March 26, 2012, 09:03:46 AM
Hi folks,

I've (finally) been doing some work on moving the forum software up to SMF 2.0.2 (we're currently running 1.1.16) and SimplePortal 2.3.4; the test site is here:

http://forumtest.melodeon.net (http://forumtest.melodeon.net)

Can people take a look, and let me know if they see any funny formatting / missing images?

The following things I already know about:

- On the home page, the '10 latest messages' preview box is stuck directly underneath the announcements box; this is (apparently) quite hard to change without breaking other stuff, and I quite like the effect, so I'm not planning to change that.
- Recent users/messages/smileys/attachments/avatar graphics are missing; that's because the test site is a snapshot from July last year. When it goes live, I'll pull that stuff into the new forum.
- Some fonts are subtlely different; not going to change that, unless something looks dreadful under a particular browser.

Why move to SMF2? Well, to be honest it's just to keep 'up with the times', so to speak. SMF1 hasn't been actively developed in some time, and only security bugs tend to get fixed. There's some new site moderation stuff (which I doubt we'll use), and I haven't found anything extra that an end user would get excited about.

I've tried it on Firefox/Chrome/IE9, and it seems fine, but I'd be interested to know how other browsers do, and in particular, if there is any major differences between how the live site and this test site look.

Cheers,

Clive
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Lester on March 26, 2012, 09:15:46 AM
Seems OK on Safari on OSX after a quick look, it's even quite readable on OperaMini on my iPhone  ;D
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: pikey on March 26, 2012, 09:26:53 AM
I get an error message when I try to access the page:

Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@forumtest.melodeon.net and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Chris Ryall on March 26, 2012, 09:49:08 AM
Some form of embedding for videos etc as in facebook would be very useful - does SMF2 provide this? All looks well on Firefox at home.

I'll try it on Army NHS issue MSIE 7 or 8 at work. Wish me luck

.. it was MSIE 7 and a very sturdy firewall, but all seemed to go OK. I'll try a test uploead too. 
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: howard mitchell on March 26, 2012, 09:55:40 AM
Tested on Safari for iOS5 on an iPad. All good.

Howard.
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Clive Williams on March 26, 2012, 10:34:22 AM
I get an error message when I try to access the page:

Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@forumtest.melodeon.net and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.


Hmm, can you list how you got that error so I can try and reproduce it? What browser were you using?

Thanks,

Clive
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: ladydetemps on March 26, 2012, 10:41:03 AM
looks fine to me.
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Clive Williams on March 26, 2012, 10:45:47 AM
Some form of embedding for videos etc as in facebook would be very useful - does SMF2 provide this? All looks well on Firefox at home.

Potentially yes, via plugins. Mind you, we can probably do that in SMF1 as well!
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: brianread on March 26, 2012, 10:58:50 AM
firefox under Ubuntu looks ok.
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Stiamh on March 26, 2012, 11:02:16 AM
Seems fine in Opera on/in/under Windows.

After the last forum software upgrade, existing posts containing special and accented characters failed to display. Is there any chance of that happening again, Clive?
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Lyra on March 26, 2012, 11:10:15 AM
I get an error message when I try to access the page:

Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@forumtest.melodeon.net and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.


Hmm, can you list how you got that error so I can try and reproduce it? What browser were you using?

Thanks,

Clive

I get the same error when clicking the link, but if you clear everything after the .net it works just dandy (FF/OSX)
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Clive Williams on March 26, 2012, 11:13:29 AM

I get the same error when clicking the link, but if you clear everything after the .net it works just dandy (FF/OSX)

Odd. What do you see after then .net? If you type forumtest.melodeon.net directly into the browser address bar (rather than clicking the link) do you get the same effect?
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Ollie on March 26, 2012, 11:26:31 AM
Works fine on Safari with Mac OS X Lion.
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Theo on March 26, 2012, 11:37:29 AM
Thanks Clive, all looks ok on my phone
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Lyra on March 26, 2012, 12:39:00 PM

I get the same error when clicking the link, but if you clear everything after the .net it works just dandy (FF/OSX)

Odd. What do you see after then .net? If you type forumtest.melodeon.net directly into the browser address bar (rather than clicking the link) do you get the same effect?

I see http://forumtest.melodeon.net/index.php?action=forum which actually works now.
Typing url in directly is fine
Works fine in chrome
not sure what the issue was - would have said blip except is not just me
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Jinkers1 on March 26, 2012, 12:52:48 PM
When I clicked on the link, I got the 404 error and the following in the address field:

http://forumtest.melodeon.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=d23fe2f792fc0c65014ddc5da7cc814f;action=forum

Removing all characters following the .net worked fine.

Poked around the test site, looks good, couldn't find any issues - Safari on OSX Lion.
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Clive Williams on March 26, 2012, 01:18:23 PM
When I clicked on the link, I got the 404 error and the following in the address field:

http://forumtest.melodeon.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=d23fe2f792fc0c65014ddc5da7cc814f;action=forum

Removing all characters following the .net worked fine.

Poked around the test site, looks good, couldn't find any issues - Safari on OSX Lion.

Interesting; it seems this happens when you disable cookies for the site. Has anyone that gets this problem disabled cookies? And if so, have you disabled cookies on the live site too? And if so, does that work? (Hint: bet it doesn't!)

If you get this and enable cookies for forumtest.melodeon.net, does the problem go away?

Cheers,

Clive

Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Jinkers1 on March 26, 2012, 01:41:40 PM
Double-checked that I had cookies enabled on both sites and then tried the link again and it worked fine.  I suspect that the problem only occurs the first time the test site is accessed.
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: pikey on March 26, 2012, 03:03:52 PM
I get an error message when I try to access the page:

Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@forumtest.melodeon.net and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.


Hmm, can you list how you got that error so I can try and reproduce it? What browser were you using?

Thanks,

Clive

I just clicked on the URL in your first post. I tried again 10 mins later and it worked OK!  Browser is IE7 (corporate standard.....)
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Québécois on March 26, 2012, 03:12:49 PM
Seems fine using Chrome on Windoze.
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Clive Williams on March 26, 2012, 03:34:08 PM
Yep, I strongly suspect it's cookie related, caused if a cookie doesn't exist and can't be created. The only way I've managed to recreate it though is by explicitly banning a cookie from the site from being stored in my browser. I haven't managed to do it by simply starting out with no cookie, then going to the site, which I suspect is how you guys are getting the error. Once the cookie's created, I think you're fine. I'm pretty sure the live site behaves in exactly the same way though.

Cheers,

Clive
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Chris Ryall on March 26, 2012, 03:39:16 PM
done a test post from work (firewalls etc etc) = OK

It was showing well on my Andrioid, but posting from there failed
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Bill Young on March 26, 2012, 05:04:02 PM
Working fine on my Android phone, including a test posting.
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Theo on March 26, 2012, 06:18:12 PM

Why move to SMF2? Well, to be honest it's just to keep 'up with the times', so to speak. SMF1 hasn't been actively developed in some time, and only security bugs tend to get fixed. There's some new site moderation stuff (which I doubt we'll use),

It is possible that the moderation tools might make it possible to open up new user registration.  That would be a big help to me, and would make life easier for new members too.
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Steve C. on March 26, 2012, 07:01:14 PM
Some formatting errors and not able to render some icons and pictures with (ancient) Safari 10.4.11 on a G4
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Alan C on March 26, 2012, 08:17:18 PM
Chrome on Mac OS X looks good, links to picasa albums on the post about construction didn't load, pages load very fast
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Lester on March 26, 2012, 08:33:13 PM
Chrome on Mac OS X looks good, links to picasa albums on the post about construction didn't load, pages load very fast

Since Picasa albums have been swallowed by Google+ I, for one, would not be a all surprised if old Picasa links no longer work  ;)
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Clive Williams on March 27, 2012, 10:47:13 AM
Some formatting errors and not able to render some icons and pictures with (ancient) Safari 10.4.11 on a G4

Hmmm. Is it behaving differently to how the main site behaves?
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Simon on March 28, 2012, 12:38:43 PM
Works great on Lynx!  :D
The xhtml validation link at the bottom reports two minor errors though. The full w3c validator reports 65 errors, but that's pretty normal. Even testing the google homepage gives a pretty large error report. Also a single css error according to the css validator. Nothing serious I think.
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Clive Williams on March 30, 2012, 12:44:06 PM
Jolly good; providing no other problems pop up, I'll try an upgrade in the week after easter. More details nearer the time!

Cheers,

Clive
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Clive Williams on April 10, 2012, 09:46:44 PM
I'll probably take a shot at this sometime in the next couple of days; odd behaviour (of the site) while I'm doing it is most likely. I'm planning to do it in place rather than creating a site copy since experience has shown that creating a copy site is actually very dangerous. Wish me luck!
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Lester on April 10, 2012, 09:51:27 PM
I'll probably take a shot at this sometime in the next couple of days; odd behaviour (of the site) while I'm doing it is most likely. I'm planning to do it in place rather than creating a site copy since experience has shown that creating a copy site is actually very dangerous. Wish me luck!

Good luck  ;D
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Bob Ellis on April 10, 2012, 11:39:28 PM
Fingers crossed that all goes well!
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Clive Williams on April 11, 2012, 08:08:09 PM
OK, here we go. Expect oddness galore for a bit!
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Lester on April 11, 2012, 08:15:58 PM
OK, here we go. Expect oddness galore for a bit!

We are missing the top left hand image and can no longer access the main site only the forum, but all else seems OK
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Clive Williams on April 11, 2012, 08:25:30 PM
OK, here we go. Expect oddness galore for a bit!

We are missing the top left hand image and can no longer access the main site only the forum, but all else seems OK

Yep, because I've switched the theme to default before I uninstalled anything (been caught that way before!). Having trouble uploading the SMF 2.0.2 update script. This may take a while...
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Clive Williams on April 11, 2012, 08:57:10 PM
OK, That's SMF2 up. We're currently on the default 'curve' theme; I'll change that in a bit. In the meantime, let's see if I can get SimplePortal 2.3.4 up...

Exciting isn't it?
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Clive Williams on April 11, 2012, 09:00:05 PM
And that's SimplePortal up. That was easy... too easy. Now the hard bit; customising the theme into something sensible.
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Lester on April 11, 2012, 09:21:09 PM
Looking good Clive and thanks for all the hard work. As you can guess this is working up to whine, can you increase the font size of the text in Quote boxes which seems to be reduced in this version. Not an urgent thing though  :o
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Clive Williams on April 11, 2012, 09:37:31 PM
Yep, still tuning the config files... haven't managed to get the customised style files in yet.
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Clive Williams on April 11, 2012, 10:52:30 PM
There we go, that'll do I think. Added back the old menus and resized the quote text. Now to test custom emoticons... but I think I'm done now.

:||: :Ph :|glug

We're now running SMF 2.0.2, and Simple Portal 2.3.4. I haven't reinstalled the antispammer plugins yet; we can do that if/when we're ready to have a go at allowing automatic registration again.

Cheers,

Clive
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Theo on April 11, 2012, 11:01:13 PM
Thanks Clive

I think there may be other antispam options with 2.0, but I've not read up properly yet. 
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Steve_freereeder on April 12, 2012, 12:40:00 AM
There we go, that'll do I think. Added back the old menus and resized the quote text. Now to test custom emoticons... but I think I'm done now.

:||: :Ph :|glug

We're now running SMF 2.0.2, and Simple Portal 2.3.4. I haven't reinstalled the antispammer plugins yet; we can do that if/when we're ready to have a go at allowing automatic registration again.

Congratulations on an apparently seamless migration, Clive!
The only comments I have are:
(a) The general message font and/or size seems smaller than before, with more white space between lines, giving it a rather too much of a spread-out look. 
(b) - possibly related, some of the signature lines have too much white space beneath last line.
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Stiamh on April 12, 2012, 03:01:26 AM
I find what Steve calls the "spread-out look" to be an improvement.
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Chris Ryall on April 12, 2012, 08:07:51 AM
My previously one line sig banner has expanded somewhat!

[edit] .. looks to be due to tightening of the the right hand column
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Clive Williams on April 12, 2012, 08:58:02 AM
If I'd thought, I'd have taken a range of screenshots from various browsers of the old site; I did happen to have a tab open on the old site on Chrome though, and the font is the same size, though it's subtlely different (I think it might be a different font family). It's also greyer this time round, and slightly thinner.

The sig lines seem fine to me on Chrome, but they are a bigger font - the old site had a vertically more compressed font in there. If you type a one liner post it will pad space after the sig to fill up the message to equal that in the left hand user info block. I assume the old site did that too. Are you seeing different behaviour on other browsers?
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: ladydetemps on April 12, 2012, 09:04:45 AM
using firefox...looks fine. Actually an improvement. Doesn't feel so cluttered.
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Chris Ryall on April 12, 2012, 09:17:02 AM
BUG: I get little man, world, envelope and speech bubble icons to the left (under the ativar) in FF, only the world icon in MSIE

[edit] .. whoops - I thing it's 'cos MSIA isn't signed in - yup all is well now - sorry Clive

my sig line sets its own font size, could do with a few more bytes thought .. had to cheat like mad to get the Morris Ring firing squad cartoon to display properly at all window sizes!
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Steve_freereeder on April 12, 2012, 09:22:41 AM
If I'd thought, I'd have taken a range of screenshots from various browsers of the old site; I did happen to have a tab open on the old site on Chrome though, and the font is the same size, though it's subtlely different (I think it might be a different font family). It's also greyer this time round, and slightly thinner.
I think the default font on the new message space is Georgia which does indeed have a thinner, greyer look about it. The old font was Verdana, I think.

Quote
The sig lines seem fine to me on Chrome, but they are a bigger font - the old site had a vertically more compressed font in there. If you type a one liner post it will pad space after the sig to fill up the message to equal that in the left hand user info block. I assume the old site did that too. Are you seeing different behaviour on other browsers?
On the old site, the sig lines were always shifted down to the bottom, so in short, one-line messages, any required white space to accommodate the left-hand user block occurred at the bottom of the message body, not at the bottom of the sig.

I'm using Mac OS 10.6.8 with Safari mainly, but occasionally Firefox. The balance between white space and 'clutter' is handled better by Safari rather than Firefox.

Ultimately, we are talking about very subtle changes here, and also the 'conservative' reaction to anything that is slightly new. I'm sure we'll all get used to the new look very quickly.  ;)

(Have to say I don't particularly like the new smileys though - the shading on the faces detracts from the overall expressions. However I'm glad to see the customised forum smileys are still there.  :Ph )
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Lester on April 12, 2012, 10:48:23 AM
The WAP version is much improved. Bigger entry box and decent quote marking in the posts :)
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Lester on April 12, 2012, 10:55:58 AM
The WAP version has a curious "moderate" option
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Stiamh on April 12, 2012, 02:07:49 PM
I have just downloaded a text file posted by Miklos in the Tabledit for B/C thread. The file is shown as having a .txt extension but on download (with Opera) it had an .mp3 extension, meaning I had to save it as... with a .txt extension than open it immediately. It would be good to fix this, esp. if the same occurs with other permitted file types (.doc, .pdf, etc.)
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Theo on April 12, 2012, 02:49:41 PM
OK for me with the txt extension, I'm using Firefox 10 OSX 10.5.8.
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Chris Ryall on April 12, 2012, 05:33:37 PM
Works on creaky old MSIE 7 - standard NHS/army issue
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Chris Ryall on April 16, 2012, 08:14:21 AM
Clive - http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php/topic,9185.msg115125.html#msg115125

put an image to the right - previewed fine - on save it displayed "big" - then it vanished - take a look please
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Chris Ryall on April 21, 2012, 06:15:22 PM
Clive - for some reason text in "tables" now is small size.  Can see no reason for this, and also use tables occasionally for layouts. 

Might we have the old version back please? (unless anyone else "loves" it)
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Clive Williams on April 25, 2012, 09:53:02 AM
Clive - for some reason text in "tables" now is small size.  Can see no reason for this, and also use tables occasionally for layouts. 

Might we have the old version back please? (unless anyone else "loves" it)

Sure, I'll tweak the CSS files when I get a chance (house is in a bit of builder chaos at the moment so bear with me!)  :o
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Clive Williams on May 02, 2012, 09:19:02 PM
I wonder how it's working now?I wonder how it's working now?
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Looks ok to me now Chris. What do you think?
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Clive Williams on May 02, 2012, 09:19:47 PM
I wonder how it's working now?I wonder how it's working now?
12

Looks ok to me now Chris. What do you think?

Looks like we've got small quotes back now though...
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Clive Williams on May 02, 2012, 09:31:21 PM
I wonder how it's working now?I wonder how it's working now?
12

That's better.
Looks ok to me now Chris. What do you think?

Looks like we've got small quotes back now though...

That's better.
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: ladydetemps on May 02, 2012, 09:49:07 PM
Talking to yourself first sign of madness. ;)
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Chris Ryall on May 03, 2012, 07:25:18 AM
Talking to yourself first sign of madness. ;)


         Absolutely,and

                  completely,

                                  MAD! (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-17926519)
  (http://chrisryall.net/img/scream.png) (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-17926519)

That's just fine, Thanks Clive   :D
Title: Re: Moving to SMF2; please take a look at the test site
Post by: Chris Ryall on May 05, 2012, 10:00:01 AM
Bit more css might need a tweak? I tried Cmaj7 and Cbass on the vidéos thread and find the size of the suffixes a tad big. Matter of opinion of course

[edit] Yup, looks to inherit straight down from a .post class. Hence same size text as the post itself?
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