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Christopher K.

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Re: Beginner (g/c/f)
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2010, 02:22:14 AM »

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Just play and see if there is a melody line in it. And if I got the wrong button to start, I'll try again.
Its like building a castle in the sand when I was young, just forget time, play and have wild fantasies.


Sandcastles! That's the best way to describe playing the melodeon!  :||: :||: :||: :|glug

It's a very intuitive instrument, and it rewards tinkering by ear very quickly. I play largely by ear but I found that when I was first starting out, tabs (like those from Gerard's site and others) were helpful in learning the fundamentals of cross-row play as opposed to along-the-row play. They gave me an idea of how to use both rows and keep the bellows more flowing, rather than playing the box as if there were two single row instruments on the same keyboard. Also cross-row play allows use of more basses, which is a heck of a lot of fun once you know how to use it.

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Re: Beginner (g/c/f)
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2010, 02:55:24 AM »


Try these, though there are many others:

http://folkadanse.free.fr/repertoi.php?tri=Date&sens=DESC
the one's labeled "facile"

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/diato-amateurs/danses_folk.htm
the tunes with one star

http://diato.org/tablat.htm#2
"the debutants corner"  i.e. beginners

http://diouflo.com/francais/debutants_diato.html
in the "espace debutante"

Good luck.  I also have a Panther for 3 row playing.

--Steve

I'm curious, I had never seen the other 2, although I have seen the diato site. You know other sites that are of the quality you mentioned for French melodeon music?
Thanks,

Steve
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Re: Beginner (g/c/f)
« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2010, 07:17:05 PM »

The folkadance site was new for me, thanks for that Steve.
It has a lot of music for two melodeons playing together just what I was looking for.
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Re: Beginner (g/c/f)
« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2010, 04:21:08 PM »

You're right Al, it's just that for some reason it's always been easier for me to go to the notes when I can't figure out the tune.  I know I "should" just try to learn only by ear but you know, I don't know if realistically I'll get there. 
Really, the only "should" here is to do what works for you to get to the music.  I use sheet music and ear to help me learn new tunes.  I get it in my head, then find the dots.  Having bother the aural and visual cues really helps me.  I also find Tab very helpful if it's an accurate rendition of what the player is doing.  It was very helpful for me to have Frederic Paris Carnet de Bal and Rue de l'Oiseau book, with the tab.  It was like having a map that tracked his fingers!
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Re: Beginner (g/c/f)
« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2010, 04:56:57 PM »

There's rather more to Frédéric Paris's play than rendition of fingers  ??? 

.. and he plays music by ear .. pipes, hurdy-gurdy, flute, been seen on electric guitar
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Re: Beginner (g/c/f)
« Reply #25 on: December 28, 2010, 05:29:27 PM »

There's rather more to Frédéric Paris's play than rendition of fingers  ??? 

.. and he plays music by ear .. pipes, hurdy-gurdy, flute, been seen on electric guitar
Okay, I get the growly/question-mark face ... no one stands more in awe of Frédéric Paris than I do, seriously.  All I'm saying is that I found the tabs of his two accordion recordings (put out by AMTA and possibly directly approved by the man himself?) to be mind-blowingly helpful. It was a window into the playing of this guy I admire very much.

Really I was just saying that some of us find sheet music helpful and there's no shame in that.  (:) Unless there is.   :-X

Also, you forgot clarinet.  Frédéric Paris' CD with Gilles Chabenat (hurdy gurdy) and himself (clarinet only) is a masterpiece.
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Re: Beginner (g/c/f)
« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2010, 05:34:19 PM »

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Ah, but wait, it gets better yet!!!!!  Just when you think you've got it made you find that "The C/F the G/C and the A/D melodeon has a turned fifth button on the second row. "   Huh??  Well maybe the Dutch melodeons are different than the French or English?

That is correct, Ben. It is not my invention, but some years ago someone in Holland turned that fifth button on the second row. On a CF you have now a D in the push and a C in the pull. Two notes that you have normally only in direction. It is a very handy change which makes playing  especially in the key of C easier. That is off course the only reason.

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I see the methodology here.  It's done totally to confuse the Americans so they will never be able to learn melodeon by tab and that's why they are forever doomed to listen to Lady Gaga and Justin Beiber.  Tell me i'ts not so!

It is not. I can imagine that you start to laugh now, but all tabs are just made for one reason, to make it easier to play when you have none idea of the notation.

By the way I got some tabs from America about a year ago, from a steier player. I was very surprised. He has copied the layout of his buttons many times very small and on every lay out he has made some buttons black so he knew which buttons he had to use. And an arrow to push or pull.
It seems that was not his invention, later I saw this notation on a slovenian website to. http://frajtonerca.net/tab.php?d=Franc+Miheli%E8


  
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Re: Beginner (g/c/f)
« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2010, 08:27:55 PM »

I can see the humor of it, no problem.

I'll put two tunes in pdf attached. These are simple tunes to play on a GCF melodeon.
They are part of a book I made with simple waltzes for the GCF melodeon.


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Re: Beginner (g/c/f)
« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2010, 04:36:05 AM »

, you forgot clarinet.  Frédéric Paris' CD with Gilles Chabenat (hurdy gurdy) and himself (clarinet only) is a masterpiece.

Whoops in a big way. Nor did I explicitly mention accordeon  :|bl   As far as I can see the Man plays "music" and it doesn't matter what's in his hands, his timing is just exquisite.
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Re: Beginner (g/c/f)
« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2010, 12:56:35 PM »

I'll put two tunes in pdf attached. These are simple tunes to play on a GCF melodeon.
Gerard, Your work is exceptional http://www.ggms.nl/g_c_f_harmonica.htm
Here is my method of learning tunes on a three-row diatonic accordion (ADG and GCF). Since I can more-or-less read sheet-music, I do not need button numbers. On the other hand, fingering is very important. I like Dave Mallinson's tutor book the best.
When I start learning a tune on a three-row, I first get the sequence of chords for the tune (mostly from Dave Mallinson's books). Then I work out a bass pattern: which measure/bar is push, which one is pull. In a couple of cases a bass chord is available on both push and pull: A, D, C on an ADG and G, C, Bb on a GCF, which makes possible some more efficient air control.
Then I work out the simplest fingring for the tune matching the push-pull sequence.
This is hell lot of work, and eventually I'm never sure, if the fingering is really the optimal.
Working out (inventing) a fingering for a chromatic button accordion (CBA) is much simpler, since the left and right hand are completely independent. Working out a single-row fingering (for a 10-button box, for example) is much simpler, too. Learning a three-row diatonic accordion is far the most challenging of all accordions I've ever tried.
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Re: Beginner (g/c/f)
« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2010, 05:04:13 PM »

I'll put two tunes in pdf attached. These are simple tunes to play on a GCF melodeon.
Gerard, Your work is exceptional http://www.ggms.nl/g_c_f_harmonica.htm
Here is my method of learning tunes on a three-row diatonic accordion (ADG and GCF). Since I can more-or-less read sheet-music, I do not need button numbers. On the other hand, fingering is very important. I like Dave Mallinson's tutor book the best.
When I start learning a tune on a three-row, I first get the sequence of chords for the tune (mostly from Dave Mallinson's books). Then I work out a bass pattern: which measure/bar is push, which one is pull. In a couple of cases a bass chord is available on both push and pull: A, D, C on an ADG and G, C, Bb on a GCF, which makes possible some more efficient air control.
Then I work out the simplest fingring for the tune matching the push-pull sequence.
This is hell lot of work, and eventually I'm never sure, if the fingering is really the optimal.
Working out (inventing) a fingering for a chromatic button accordion (CBA) is much simpler, since the left and right hand are completely independent. Working out a single-row fingering (for a 10-button box, for example) is much simpler, too. Learning a three-row diatonic accordion is far the most challenging of all accordions I've ever tried.


But....but, It doesn't have to be difficult.  You can play it as a one row in three keys, or a two row.  That's what I like about it.  You can use all your previoulsy learned fingerings on it and then, if you want, try some techniques crossing all three rows.  Very versatile.
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Re: Beginner (g/c/f)
« Reply #31 on: December 29, 2010, 08:13:27 PM »

You can play it as a one row in three keys, or a two row.  That's what I like about it.  You can use all your previoulsy learned fingerings on it and then, if you want, try some techniques crossing all three rows.  Very versatile.
You are completely right. I was talking about the "try some techniques crossing all three rows" with the objective of playing perfect bass chords for a tune. This goal is straightforward on a chromatic button accordion or any accordion with stradella bass; but, it is challenging on a three-row.
There is, however, some limitation with "You can use all your previoulsy learned fingerings": this statement is true when you ignore the bass. A GCF is practically a CF extended with a G row from the perspective of bass and not a GC extended with an F row. That is, on a GCF you have no F bass pull, and you cannot play tunes on a GCF exactly like on a two-row GC.
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