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A minor bass
« on: September 11, 2012, 12:26:20 PM »

I just started learning the tune dusty windowsills and im stuck with what to play on the bass side, as its in A minor, i have all the regular adg bass buttons but not much fits! Any ideas?
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Re: A minor bass
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2012, 12:29:43 PM »

A bass + C chord = Am7
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Re: A minor bass
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2012, 01:11:49 PM »

cheers theo, does that mean i omm the a bass and pah the c chord?
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Re: A minor bass
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2012, 01:13:18 PM »

Yes, and you can also play them together if that is your style.
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Re: A minor bass
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2012, 01:14:20 PM »

cheers theo, does that mean i omm the a bass and pah the c chord?

That's exactly it.
You have to get used to using your fingers the opposite way round when you do that.
Good luck with Dusty Windowsills - I never really mastered it!
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Re: A minor bass
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2012, 02:00:20 PM »

Thanks, i presume when i transcribe the notes to numbers, i should take care to get the right push pull to match the trebble and bass. Also, is there a third chord available, should i require one?
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Re: A minor bass
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2012, 02:14:28 PM »

You'll mostly be on the G row, but I think you may find places where you can use an E minor chord and play on the D row for a couple of notes.

The tune tends to be nearly all pull on a D/G melodeon. On your A/D/G you may find places where you can do push notes on the A row together with a push A minor chord (faked as described above, but using the A push bass and the same C chord button on push instead of pull) and thus make air management easier.
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Re: A minor bass
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2012, 02:48:43 PM »

And of course, if you have an appropriate stop/switch in your bass end, you can simply remove the thirds and use the A chord in "neutral" mode.
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Re: A minor bass
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2012, 08:16:16 PM »

Ahhh.... beaten to it!
I have been using Am as described and Bm ( B bass and D chord ) fairly frequently.
Out of ignorance really, I've always used them played together, my logic being to get  -say- Am you need both the A bass and the C chord to make the required Am so I've played them together. Recently I've just come across a couple of tunes where it's nice to um the A bass and pah the C chord, so I too was wondering if it was legit to do so.
Thanks for the answer!

GPS has brought another question to the fore.
I've now got a box where I can pull the stop to take out the thirds. I seldom do this, as I haven't felt the need really.
In the above situation I realise I could play the A bass and a thirdless 'neutral' A chord for the minor.
But.....  my other box, the tommy hasn't got a thirds stop, so I don't want to get into the habit of pulling the thirds on one box and playing a neutral chord which I won't be able to do on the Tommy. I have decided at the moment to stick to cross chording as mentioned on both boxes, leaving thirds in..
Has anybody else got this conflict with two  boxes, one with and one without a thirds stop?
How do you resolveit/get round it?
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Re: A minor bass
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2012, 09:06:35 PM »


Has anybody else got this conflict with two  boxes, one with and one without a thirds stop?
How do you resolveit/get round it?
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Yes. I usually do it by what sounds right. So if I happen to hit the wrong chord I make sure I don't do it again  ;)
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Re: A minor bass
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2012, 09:24:20 PM »

Has anybody else got this conflict with two  boxes, one with and one without a thirds stop?
How do you resolveit/get round it?

I have a D/G box with a B minor chord and unstoppable thirds, and another with a B major and a thirds stop. Where it makes a difference I try to use whichever box works best for that tune.

I don't take the thirds out often, and when I do it's often more for texture and variation than because I need ambiguity between major/minor chords.
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Re: A minor bass
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2012, 09:28:32 PM »

Different boxes should have different purposes and capabilities, so use your thirds stop any time you like and enjoy the difference.
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Re: A minor bass
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2012, 09:36:13 PM »

would you believe it! 9 switches on the front, 0 switches on the back ! ah well....
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Re: A minor bass
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2012, 09:42:24 PM »

Rees: Fair enough, I suppose 'if it sounds bad don't do it' is the basic default setting for most things (:)

Having a different box has opened up various opportunites, purely as I have a stop for thirds and now a choice of m, mm, lmm and lm reeds. By sheer chance the other day I pull out the thirds and played a waltz messing around just using chords - the difference was unbeliavable. What a change in sound!

I'm starting to see different tunes might be better on one or other of the boxes, and can start to see that there may be a split in repertoire, but at the moment it's so small a repertoire, everything gets played on both!
My plan is to keep the Tommy as my 'out of the house' box as it's portable, so part of me wants to keep tunes on both boxes.
But it's early days........
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Gypsylad's just popped in while I type.
How many switches :o
gordon bennet!!!!
I'd never play a tune cos it'd take me too long to work out what to use  :D
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Re: A minor bass
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2012, 10:48:21 PM »

i think mark bazelys box has 11 trebble couplers, and 3 bass couplers....
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Re: A minor bass
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2012, 05:42:15 AM »

Has anybody else got this conflict with two  boxes, one with and one without a thirds stop?
How do you resolveit/get round it?

I routinely tape out the thirds of the A and B chords (speaking of a D/G box) on all the pre-war Hohners that I mostly use.
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Re: A minor bass
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2012, 07:31:03 PM »

' i think mark bazelys box has 11 trebble couplers, and 3 bass couplers....'
presumably for AM, FM and DB?
...... how many can you possibly need?
Nope on second thoughts don't answer that  ;)


Sage: Yes, I've heard of some people prefering to tape out the thirds, and that would make both boxes uniform in opperation but to be honest, my 'default setting' and the sound I've liked til now was with thirds in - except for my new found liking for the waltz as mentioned previously.
Though I accept that my preferences and choices might alter as I go further along the learning trail.
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Re: A minor bass
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2012, 05:10:55 AM »


Sage: Yes, I've heard of some people prefering to tape out the thirds, and that would make both boxes uniform in opperation but to be honest, my 'default setting' and the sound I've liked til now was with thirds in - except for my new found liking for the waltz as mentioned previously.
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I agree; I very rarely use the "thirdless" stop - most commonly for playing in Am or Dm, neither of which I need to do often.
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Re: A minor bass
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2012, 10:59:46 AM »

Actually I'd like a stop that switched between major and minor thirds on B and A chords.
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Re: A minor bass
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2012, 01:04:03 PM »

I very rarely use the "thirdless" stop

I use it quite a lot, but often for a change of tone rather than to play in minor keys.  I have a Bm bass anyway, but some tunes sound better to me with the third in and some with it out.
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