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Re: do re mi ???
« Reply #40 on: September 07, 2012, 08:50:28 AM »

Marje,

Transposing off concert or any other key is not that difficult, given practise and perseverance.  In the past as a sax player I had to play off concert parts, either transposing up a tone for the tenor, or down a minor third for the alto/baritone, you just needed to be aware of the key and view (in your head) the notes written on the stave in the altered position. When I first was presented with the idea, I did find it tough, but knowing it was an attainable skill I worked at it till it almost became second nature, well almost.  I had to do it only recently when my bro-in-law wanted me to accompany him on alto while he was playing "Esperanza", I was surprised how readily it came back to me.  I reckon if I can do it, anyone can.
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Re: do re mi ???
« Reply #41 on: September 07, 2012, 07:07:52 PM »

The English will always win by playing slowly AND VERY LOUDLY  >:E
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Re: do re mi ???
« Reply #42 on: September 08, 2012, 02:42:36 PM »

Am I the only one who's always thought of Do Re Me etc as always being relative to the current scale - ie referring to intervals or scale positions rather than absolute note pitches. 

Maybe it's a family thing, but also I don't see why you'd have two different words for the same note (ie if Do always means C, then why not call it C).   A bit like Port/Std vs right and left - where Right means your right hand side, but Starboard means the boat's right side, whichever way you're facing.
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Re: do re mi ???
« Reply #43 on: September 08, 2012, 03:59:03 PM »

Am I the only one who's always thought of Do Re Me etc as always being relative to the current scale - ie referring to intervals or scale positions rather than absolute note pitches. 

Maybe it's a family thing, but also I don't see why you'd have two different words for the same note (ie if Do always means C, then why not call it C).   A bit like Port/Std vs right and left - where Right means your right hand side, but Starboard means the boat's right side, whichever way you're facing.

Gandy, I suspect the answer might be that some frenchman on accordeondiatonique.net is right now asking in French "if C always means Do, why not call it Do?". It's just a different system of signs for the same thing.
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Re: do re mi ???
« Reply #44 on: September 08, 2012, 05:13:46 PM »

Am I the only one who's always thought of Do Re Me etc as always being relative to the current scale

That is the system known as Tonic Sol Fa, so the inclusion of 'tonic' in the name of the system means that Do is always the tonic of the scale you are playing/singing.
In France and Italy the system is called Solfege where Do is always C.

Very confusing because both use the same do , re mi, etc syllables but they mean very different things.
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Re: do re mi ???
« Reply #45 on: September 09, 2012, 08:42:37 AM »

M-P always use fixed solfège notation (do=Cconcert) in their masterclasses and impro courses [cut] Sometimes a melodic line gets sung - they all sing out the notes eg "ré-fa-la" entirely naturally. 
So they used fixed-do for chords and keys but relative-do for singing? Or do they have to settle on a specific key before they know the 'lyrics' to a song? I don't think all French have perfect pitch (if there even is such a thing).  ;)
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Re: do re mi ???
« Reply #46 on: September 09, 2012, 09:40:09 AM »

In the regions of surrey and kent it's called the Ginand Tonic so far........
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Re: do re mi ???
« Reply #47 on: September 09, 2012, 06:03:17 PM »

M-P always use fixed solfège notation (do=Cconcert) in their masterclasses and impro courses [cut] Sometimes a melodic line gets sung - they all sing out the notes eg "ré-fa-la" entirely naturally. 
So they used fixed-do for chords and keys but relative-do for singing?

No, they don't use relative doh/do for anything. Do = C, end of story.
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Re: do re mi ???
« Reply #48 on: September 09, 2012, 06:11:13 PM »

That is the system known as Tonic Sol Fa, so the inclusion of 'tonic' in the name of the system means that Do is always the tonic of the scale you are playing/singing.
In France and Italy the system is called Solfege where Do is always C.

Thanks for making that distinction. I've learnt a useful new thing  (:)
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Re: do re mi ???
« Reply #49 on: September 09, 2012, 06:42:40 PM »

I've had different experience (mainly SE France)

 1. Music theory, chord names (spoken) and notes on the keyboard
     Strictly Do=C   Ré=D   Mi-bémol=Eb   etc

 2  Singing - more relaxed about it. I've certainly seen a group sing
     other than in in C, but still use do-ré-mi up from the tonic.
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