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Re: Tune of the Month for October 2012 - South Downs Jig
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2012, 01:01:05 PM »

I'm clearly going to have to put my money where my mouth is and record a version.  I usually play this on concertina so I'll have to learn to play it on melodeon first.

Aye, you're not wrong there, lad!! :||:
Also, if you don't like hearing tunes mangled in sessions, you could do what I do....avoid sessions! ;)
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Re: Tune of the Month for October 2012 - South Downs Jig
« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2012, 01:04:05 PM »

I'm clearly going to have to put my money where my mouth is and record a version.  I usually play this on concertina so I'll have to learn to play it on melodeon first.

I wouldn't mind hearing a concertina version if that's going to take less time.
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Re: Tune of the Month for October 2012 - South Downs Jig
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2012, 01:24:49 PM »

Also, if you don't like hearing tunes mangled in sessions, you could do what I do....avoid sessions! ;)

Oh no, I enjoy sessions.  And I've probably done my share of tune-mangling and passing on of incorrect/misheard/misremembered versions.  As I said before, some tunes can stand it and some can't.
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Re: Tune of the Month for October 2012 - South Downs Jig
« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2012, 02:17:59 PM »

I've re-written it, this time with more 9/8 bars. I was unsure whether or not to make bars 1&2, 5&6 and 14&15 into bars of 9/8 or (as written) a bar of 6/8 and a bar of 3/8. I went with the latter to keep the irregularity.
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Re: Tune of the Month for October 2012 - South Downs Jig
« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2012, 02:24:18 PM »

Go for the concertina version Howard, after all we already have a piano version!
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Re: Tune of the Month for October 2012 - South Downs Jig
« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2012, 08:20:18 PM »

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Re: Tune of the Month for October 2012 - South Downs Jig: If at first...
« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2012, 08:41:09 PM »

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Re: Tune of the Month for October 2012 - South Downs Jig
« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2012, 09:29:46 PM »

OK, here it is:

http://soundcloud.com/howardj/south-downs
Thanks - interesting!
OK, it seem Nick B's long note in the middle of the B music isn't right after all. Dotted rhythms noted; also you have in common with Owen/ukebert those notes in the middle of the B as a duplet in the time of three quavers. If that's the rhythmic subtlety you're alluding to, I have a handle on that now - it's rather nice and I'm happy to make that part of the tune. Like Bill, I'm inclined to have another go, but we seem to be moving in opposite directions now...
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Re: Tune of the Month for October 2012 - South Downs Jig
« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2012, 10:39:12 PM »

OK, here it is:

http://soundcloud.com/howardj/south-downs

It took Anahata to explain it properly but I'd got the idea of dotting the playing via your earlier comments and mapped it out in my head but the 'slows' are pure morris and you need to know the dance in order to make sense of the tune in places. Lovely playing Howard, thanks for shining a light in darkened corners!
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Re: Tune of the Month for October 2012 - South Downs Jig
« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2012, 01:04:00 AM »

OK, here it is:

http://soundcloud.com/howardj/south-downs

That's lovely Howard - I've been playing along to it for the past couple of hours! One question - what's that odd chord at the end of the slows please? I just can't seem to get it...

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Re: Tune of the Month for October 2012 - South Downs Jig
« Reply #31 on: October 03, 2012, 02:14:25 AM »

The slow down in the B section is very similar to what I am now playing on box Howard (:) Rather chuffed that I'm getting close to the original.

I disagree with you in how susceptible the tune is to being mishandled. I think that it is a tune which can be played in a lot of different ways, each musically very interesting. In fact, I would say that this is a harder tune to ruin than most!
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Re: Tune of the Month for October 2012 - South Downs Jig
« Reply #32 on: October 03, 2012, 08:33:56 AM »

I should make clear that I'm not worried about how soloists will deal with it - like any tune it can be played in a number of ways, and any musician will make their own interpretation in their own style.  I don't doubt that my own interpretation now differs from John Percy's whom I learned it from, although I hope I've retained the core of it, and in particular the timing.

We've already heard a lot of very different, and all entirely valid, interpretations.  I look forward to hearing more.  It's how it will get treated in massed sessions that worries me - I fear that all the subtlety will be lost and it will become just another rumpty-tumpty jig.  I agree it's a hard tune to ruin completely, but its special qualities could easily be damaged.  Unlike Anahata, I haven't come across the tune much in sessions, and I wasn't aware that Nick Barber had published it, so I suppose it's already been released into the wild.
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Re: Tune of the Month for October 2012 - South Downs Jig
« Reply #33 on: October 03, 2012, 08:39:23 AM »

the 'slows' are pure morris and you need to know the dance in order to make sense of the tune in places.

I must admit that I've not seen it danced to, but as a former dancer myself I have a mental picture.  So far as I am aware it was composed for South Downs Morris so it seems right to treat it as a morris tune rather than a country dance jig.
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Re: Tune of the Month for October 2012 - South Downs Jig
« Reply #34 on: October 03, 2012, 10:15:23 AM »

And here it is - http://soundcloud.com/olliekingbox/south-downs I think shifting the G to the first note of bar 1, and making the DDCA bit the anacrusis completely changes the feel of the tune, for the better.

Cracking playing , but who is ana crusis?  ;D
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Re: Tune of the Month for October 2012 - South Downs Jig
« Reply #35 on: October 03, 2012, 10:18:54 AM »

OK, here it is:

http://soundcloud.com/howardj/south-downs

Howard, this is simply GORGEOUS! Brilliant anglo playing, with really inventive chords. I can hear a lot of Kimber in there, but a lot more besides. I could see the dancers as you played it, particularly the bit in the B part where you slowed it down.

Now off to learn it myself.......
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Re: Tune of the Month for October 2012 - South Downs Jig
« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2012, 10:24:51 AM »

Cracking playing , but who is ana crusis?  ;D

No relation to me!  ;D ;D
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Re: Tune of the Month for October 2012 - South Downs Jig
« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2012, 10:31:26 AM »

We've already heard a lot of very different, and all entirely valid, interpretations.  I look forward to hearing more.  It's how it will get treated in massed sessions that worries me - I fear that all the subtlety will be lost and it will become just another rumpty-tumpty jig.

That hasn't happened around here, but we have a small-ish session with some decent musicians who don't assume, for example, that everything in 6/8 is a rumpty-tumpty jig.

I have a recording of some of our local sessionaires playing this tune - I'll dig it out and... I think it's time I opened a Soundcloud account.
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Re: Tune of the Month for October 2012 - South Downs Jig
« Reply #38 on: October 03, 2012, 10:57:23 AM »

I have more trouble with the local session players who think 6/8 is a competition to see who can finish first........

yah didly didly didly........   >:(
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Re: Tune of the Month for October 2012 - South Downs Jig
« Reply #39 on: October 03, 2012, 11:27:58 AM »

Howard, I've been trying to work out what it is that is so effective in the 'Slows' bit in your B music.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that it gets its effect from the fact that it's not actually a 'Slow' at all - or perhaps I should say that it is a 'Slow' from the dancer's point of view, but not from the musician's (and maybe that's what Morris slows are all about).  The clever bit is that underlying the 'slow', there's still a beat going on, which resumes when you go back to the 6/8 time - if you keep tapping your feet in your recording, the beat is still there, though the 'one and two' of a 6/8 rhythm are reversed.

Which all made me think there must be a way of annotating this.  So I went to trusty Musescore and came up with this interpretation (apols to all you abc-ers, but it's all I know!)  It seems to work if you play it in Musescore.  But I'd be interested to know from proper musos whether this is right.  It relies on a 9/8 bar, but with crotchets to get the 'asynchronous' effect.

I've also put in a pdf file of the section of the original score.
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