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Re: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2012, 12:52:25 AM »


'And the larks they played melodeons, at the dawning of the day'......   >:E

Correction: 'And the sharks they played melodeons, at the bottom of the bay'

Yep, that's the version I've heard in folk clubs, it really, really irritates some singers when they start off with the  proper version  and everyone else sings daft versions of the chorus. Maybe that's why you hear the song sung so rarely these days?

Also 'the sharks they stank malodorous, at the bottom of the bay' seems to be a favourite.

It's actually "and the b****ds played melodeons till the dawning of the day".  ;)

I think the song is so rarely done because everyone does it, if that makes sense! People are afraid (I know I am) of doing it and people thinking 'oh no, not that one again'.
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Re: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2012, 11:06:39 AM »

what have I started?  :D
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Re: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2012, 11:51:51 AM »


I think the song is so rarely done because everyone does it, if that makes sense!

Perfect sense.   8)  It just needs a good rest and someone will rediscover it in 20 years time.  There are fashions in folk music too, songs and tune come and go.  The good ones keep coming back.
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Re: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2012, 12:45:42 PM »


It's actually "and the b****ds played melodeons till the dawning of the day".  ;)


I like that version and must remember to us it sometime, cheers  ;)

I think the song is so rarely done because everyone does it, if that makes sense! People are afraid (I know I am) of doing it and people thinking 'oh no, not that one again'.

It makes perfect sense and I think it is very much the case. Earlier this year I spent an enjoyable, nay pleasant and delightful, evening in a local folk club where Mr Phil Beer sang the song and said pretty much exactly that as part of his introduction.  On that occasion everyone pretty much behaved with regards to singing silly versions about melodeons.

Except me that is, couldn't resist  :||:.
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Re: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2012, 12:46:09 PM »

The same as tunes!!

Especially when someone like me has a 15 year break, and then re-appears playing the stuff from 15+ years ago....  >:E
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Re: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2012, 12:49:43 PM »

The slightly notorious Ebor Morris pioneered the words

'Give me a pint of Batemans, I'l splatter the bowl'...   :-[

insted of 'Give me the punch ladle, I'll fathom the bowl.'

Not for polite company.

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Re: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs
« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2012, 12:52:12 PM »

Yuk!
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Re: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs
« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2012, 09:23:12 PM »

The slightly notorious Ebor Morris pioneered the words

'Give me a pint of Batemans, I'l splatter the bowl'...   :-[

insted of 'Give me the punch ladle, I'll fathom the bowl.'

Not for polite company.

 >:E

I may have to remember that...  ;D
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Re: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs
« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2012, 09:49:08 PM »

 :||:   >:E
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Re: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs
« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2012, 12:46:16 AM »

That book is about as valid as "The Penguin book of English Rugby songs"
Not rubbish, but oh! Crikey.
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Re: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs
« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2012, 09:43:20 AM »

Now that's an idea for Theme of the Month - Rugby songs!!  >:E
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Re: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs
« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2012, 09:47:57 AM »

That book is about as valid as "The Penguin book of English Rugby songs"
Not rubbish, but oh! Crikey.

Can you say a bit more about what you mean Nick?

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Re: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs
« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2012, 04:00:30 PM »

Curious - looked out my old copy only this morning - it was in with "Penguin Book of Canadian Songs" , and "Rugby Songs" (vols 1+2)  :|glug
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Re: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs
« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2012, 10:55:43 AM »

That book is about as valid as "The Penguin book of English Rugby songs"
Not rubbish, but oh! Crikey.

Can you say a bit more about what you mean Nick?

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But it seems very similar to the Reader's Digest book of DIY. All things covered but no REAL content.
The rugby songs author never asked a rugby team what they sang. All very generic, and don't start me off on the FR18 handbook!
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Re: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs
« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2012, 03:14:11 PM »

All things covered but no REAL content.

How do 151 songs and an informative introduction constitute 'no real content'?
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Re: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs
« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2012, 04:44:04 PM »

That book is about as valid as "The Penguin book of English Rugby songs"
Not rubbish, but oh! Crikey.

Can you say a bit more about what you mean Nick?

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But it seems very similar to the Reader's Digest book of DIY. All things covered but no REAL content.
The rugby songs author never asked a rugby team what they sang. All very generic, and don't start me off on the FR18 handbook!
If I knew how to use emoticons, I'd use one.
Julia Bishop, one of the co-authors, is a folklore researcher, highly respected in the academic community, and personal a friend of mine. I'll pass on your comments.  :(
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Re: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs
« Reply #36 on: November 17, 2012, 04:52:23 PM »

Just to balance it, Steve, please pass on mine - I think it's a gem of a book. :||:
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Re: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs
« Reply #37 on: November 17, 2012, 05:07:26 PM »

Just to balance it, Steve, please pass on mine - I think it's a gem of a book. :||:

Steve you beat me to it  (:)

I bought a copy of the new edition and I am delighted with it.  Not only from the point of view of the content but also in terms of style, layout and presentation, 'tis indeed a gem.
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Re: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs
« Reply #38 on: November 17, 2012, 05:53:31 PM »

That book is about as valid as "The Penguin book of English Rugby songs"
Not rubbish, but oh! Crikey.

Can you say a bit more about what you mean Nick?

Steve
Probably not Steve,
But it seems very similar to the Reader's Digest book of DIY. All things covered but no REAL content.
The rugby songs author never asked a rugby team what they sang. All very generic, and don't start me off on the FR18 handbook!
If I knew how to use emoticons, I'd use one.
Julia Bishop, one of the co-authors, is a folklore researcher, highly respected in the academic community, and personal a friend of mine. I'll pass on your comments.  :(

I think there is some confusion as to whether Nick is talking about the RVW/A.L. Lloyd original, or the more recent Roud/Bishop publication.

Both books are fantastic, the former being one of the most important folk song books ever published. I can't really understand Nick's point of view here..
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Re: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs
« Reply #39 on: November 17, 2012, 06:10:52 PM »

I stand down All,
Writing from the wrist again and not having seen a copy of this edition. Without seeing it I compared it to the Penguin rugby song book which included the works of Benny Hill.
  I unreservedly  withdraw my previous comments and apologise.
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