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Re: A two in one box....without the electronics.
« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2012, 04:51:58 PM »

I took that  from an old hohner catalogue - perhaps they weighed them in metric and  hadnt  quite got the hang of changing it into imperial weights!

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« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2012, 07:07:39 PM »

I doubt I`d get a turkey which cost that much in the Oven !!  ;)
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Re: A two in one box....without the electronics.
« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2012, 08:34:18 PM »

£1/- = 20 shillings
10lb = 4.53592kg
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« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2012, 08:34:52 PM »

Ruby Tanner,
two tanners make a bob.
Three make 1/6d
and four, just two bob.
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Re: A two in one box....without the electronics.
« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2012, 08:48:35 PM »

yeah and 21 shillings was a guinea . I remember most of the cash conversions for some reason (and that Crisps cost 2d in 1967) but imperial weights and measures thankfully long forgotten
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Re: A two in one box....without the electronics.
« Reply #45 on: December 18, 2012, 09:05:42 PM »

It's why us old folk are cleverer than today's youngsters. We were able to do concurrent mental arithmetic in base 12 and base 20 (£sd) and even base 16, base 14, base 8 and base 20 (oz, lb, st, cwt, ton). I expect it would be against kid's human rights to make them do it now  (:)

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« Reply #46 on: December 18, 2012, 10:13:32 PM »

not forgetting yards, perches, poles, furlongs, pints ,gills, quartz and a whole different world of imperial spannering in 5/8, 3/16. 7/32 etc etc et al!  Oh and threads in BA, BCT,,whitworth, UNF, gas,BSF,etcetc.   and the funny thing is all this metric stuff seems far more complicated to me!

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« Reply #47 on: December 18, 2012, 10:15:46 PM »

Oh and I forgot to mention the Firkin - yes that was it in ints entirety i.e. not the Firkin  .........!

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Re: A two in one box....without the electronics.
« Reply #48 on: December 18, 2012, 10:22:49 PM »

"the company, brewer, bookie, slavey, drayer, daughter, landlady, landlord, barrel, half-barrel, gallon, half-gallon, quart pot, pint pot, half a pint, gill pot, half a gill, quarter gill, nipperkin, and the round bowl"
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Re: A two in one box....without the electronics.
« Reply #49 on: December 18, 2012, 11:41:47 PM »

not forgetting yards, perches, poles, furlongs, pints ,gills, quartz and a whole different world of imperial spannering in 5/8, 3/16. 7/32 etc etc et al!  Oh and threads in BA, BCT,,whitworth, UNF, gas,BSF,etcetc.   and the funny thing is all this metric stuff seems far more complicated to me!

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My God, what age ARE you? I don't remember any of that stuff!  :o

You missed out CHAIN. Measurements on civils are still referred to as Chainage.

Back on topic, well almost, I still think a one row with a whammy bar is begging to be invented. Try & sort that slider out.
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Re: A two in one box....without the electronics.
« Reply #50 on: December 19, 2012, 12:01:16 AM »

Aradru,

I have been thinking about this idea for a good few years now.  I have always wanted to be used to the feeling of one accordion and have the option to change from B/C to C/C# so that I could play in E flat when the rare opportunity would arise.  From my own thinking, and I have put a lot of thought into it, the idea of using the stops is probably the easiest method.  You would need quite a complex cuppler mechanism to switch the blocks with having just two cupplers.

I think the saltarelle idea (despite the cost) is a very good option!

With B/C to C/C# you would save weight by going down the BCC# route, as you'd have 6 sets of reeds rather than 8. Trichords are very light.

Four row diatonics are popular with many of the younger Tejano players.

Wow, learn something every day ! Who knows whatelse is lurking about

The Estonian lootspill is also four rows.

EDIT: Casatagnari I think have created a one row with a whammy bar.
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Re: A two in one box....without the electronics.
« Reply #51 on: December 19, 2012, 12:12:32 AM »



EDIT: Casatagnari I think have created a one row with a whammy bar.

I've not seen one of those but back in the early eighties they did list a model called a Convertor which I saw being played in the factory.
It was a basic two row with a palm operated lever on the edge of the keyboard which pushed one of the rows up by a semitone.
It never really got past the prototype stage.  :(
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Re: A two in one box....without the electronics.
« Reply #52 on: December 19, 2012, 12:39:42 AM »



EDIT: Casatagnari I think have created a one row with a whammy bar.

I've not seen one of those but back in the early eighties they did list a model called a Convertor which I saw being played in the factory.
It was a basic two row with a palm operated lever on the edge of the keyboard which pushed one of the rows up by a semitone.
It never really got past the prototype stage.  :(

Aye, that's the one I mean. In fact I probably heard it from you! I assumed that whammy bar wasn't literal, but the concept, of shifting up to a different set of reeds is the same.
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Re: A two in one box....without the electronics.
« Reply #53 on: December 19, 2012, 09:09:13 AM »



EDIT: Casatagnari I think have created a one row with a whammy bar.

I've not seen one of those but back in the early eighties they did list a model called a Convertor which I saw being played in the factory.
It was a basic two row with a palm operated lever on the edge of the keyboard which pushed one of the rows up by a semitone.
It never really got past the prototype stage.  :(

How did it work exactly and what would have been the intended target market I wonder?

It worked by closing off one of the reedblocks and opening up another one -  the same principle as a chromatic harmonica.
As to the intended market, probably those people who ended up buying a G/C/acc or similar.
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Re: A two in one box....without the electronics.
« Reply #54 on: December 20, 2012, 01:20:46 PM »

not forgetting yards, perches, poles, furlongs, pints ,gills, quartz and a whole different world of imperial spannering in 5/8, 3/16. 7/32 etc etc et al!  Oh and threads in BA, BCT,,whitworth, UNF, gas,BSF,etcetc.   and the funny thing is all this metric stuff seems far more complicated to me!

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After discussions about this some years ago, I won the challenge to come up with the silliest valid measurement unit.

I'm 5 femto-light-fortnights tall :-)

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Re: A two in one box....without the electronics.
« Reply #55 on: December 20, 2012, 03:43:01 PM »

After discussions about this some years ago, I won the challenge to come up with the silliest valid measurement unit.

I'm 5 femto-light-fortnights tall :-)

Ian

It's all been done before

UK.rec.sheds FAQ has some good ones too, including ref to above.
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Re: A two in one box....without the electronics.
« Reply #56 on: December 22, 2012, 08:56:31 AM »

Take out the blocks for the low reed on your 4 reed box and you will see what I mean.
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Re: A two in one box....without the electronics.
« Reply #57 on: February 03, 2013, 09:00:34 PM »

this established thread relates to being able to switch between two different keyboard systems by means of slides or couplers. i wondered if it might be possible to do something more limited.   just change one or two notes to accidentals by means of a slides.
     imagine a simple one row in key C.   If you switched the F natural for a F sharp you would have a key of G.  the next step would be to switch in the C sharp to make the key of D.  i think you get the idea .   it could be extended further!

  i am sure someone will have given this some thought years ago?    have i missed something obvious?      perhaps i should have looked harder for an old thread. 
    i realise making the required reed blocks could be complicated, but the buttons would remain the same.  this is just my idle daydream, please tell me why it wont fly. brian.
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Re: A two in one box....without the electronics.
« Reply #58 on: February 03, 2013, 09:07:14 PM »

this established thread relates to being able to switch between two different keyboard systems by means of slides or couplers. i wondered if it might be possible to do something more limited.   just change one or two notes to accidentals by means of a slides.
     imagine a simple one row in key C.   If you switched the F natural for a F sharp you would have a key of G.  the next step would be to switch in the C sharp to make the key of D.  i think you get the idea .   it could be extended further!

  i am sure someone will have given this some thought years ago?    have i missed something obvious?      perhaps i should have looked harder for an old thread. 
    i realise making the required reed blocks could be complicated, but the buttons would remain the same.  this is just my idle daydream, please tell me why it wont fly. brian.

The main problems in my head would be the need to learn different fingering for each key, thus doing away with the main advantage of the melodeon, and that need for a big bass end of some sort to cope with the different keys.

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« Reply #59 on: February 03, 2013, 11:19:04 PM »

From a construction point of view you need to put the extra reeds in the box, which means longer reed blocks, or extra reed blocks, and more mechanism, so why not just add some extra buttons and have all the notes available all the time.  The resulting box will also be simpler to build, and no bigger than one with couplers.
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