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Re: Theme of the Month for January 2013: Five Time Waltzes
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2013, 09:51:23 AM »

Nice feel on both of those, Gary! - I see on the first it's 2+3 rather than 3+2, and it gives a quite different effect.
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Re: Theme of the Month for January 2013: Five Time Waltzes
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2013, 11:19:34 AM »

Lovely! thanks Gary.
Le Porcher is known as "Saulocker" in Bayern, and is danced as a Zwiefache, a mixture of waltz and two step and four step turns.

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Re: Theme of the Month for January 2013: Five Time Waltzes
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2013, 11:51:31 AM »

Since Clive opened up the parameters, here's another one, La porcher, an Alsatian tune that's not exactly a 5 time waltze, but is a scottish/waltz/marche ... meaning it will alternate between bars of four, bars of three, and bars of two.

http://youtu.be/UaYCSgUQA5I

If that's off topic, Clive, let me know!

c.f. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQbRQUMlxcI
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Re: Theme of the Month for January 2013: Five Time Waltzes
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2013, 12:25:09 PM »

Another cheat, as already posted for Brighton Camp TOTM (a bit too fast)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOXP84_stCQ&feature=share&list=PLA224E5213E0AE381
Intention for later in the month:   Dancing on the Sea (Wendigo) is a great 5 timer.

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Re: Theme of the Month for January 2013: Five Time Waltzes
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2013, 12:31:16 PM »

Thank you!  I love the nom d'anglais for these types of meters:  crooked tunes.  That seems to capture the whole family of them.  It's always nice seeing dancers go at these with ease and grace ... peoples' heads do tend to 'splode a bit at the idea of twos not being followed by more twos, but they really do work.
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Re: Theme of the Month for January 2013: Five Time Waltzes
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2013, 01:37:19 PM »

Very good so far everyone!

If you've never seen a french style 5 time waltz before, you may find this video "walkthrough" of the dance helpful:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTW4X6qfz2w

The chap who did this also has similar walkthroughs for the French schottische, waltz and 2 time bourree it seems.

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Re: Theme of the Month for January 2013: Five Time Waltzes
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2013, 02:20:02 PM »

And here's a video of Au Gre des Vents, an Alsatian group who are really masters of this sort of tomfoolery.  The video -- waltz in 7 -- is good because it focuses so well on the dancer's feet.

http://youtu.be/Z36iH3SoxGE
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Re: Theme of the Month for January 2013: Five Time Waltzes
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2013, 06:03:44 PM »

Another scottish/valse/marche.  I recorded this a while ago.

http://youtu.be/rzDBHEGj9lw
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Re: Theme of the Month for January 2013: Five Time Waltzes
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2013, 05:20:44 PM »

here my contribution :
http://youtu.be/oGhhOU1trrM

not sure I made it really "danceable" as a waltz though ... I enjoyed playing it "funny" and lively !
Maybe I'll try to record another one (maybe by Stephane Delicq : he was really fond of "odd" crooked rythms, and there are plenty of things of that kind to get from him)
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Re: Theme of the Month for January 2013: Five Time Waltzes
« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2013, 05:29:28 PM »

Just picking up on the usage of "crooked". This term is well established for tunes which have occasional extra beats, or missing beats.  I don't think it's helpful to use the same word for tunes in five where the bar  length is always the same.  If a word is needed a better one might be asymmetric to describe a bar which splits into two unequal parts.  This is not so unusual, after all polkas and rants split into 3 beats and two half length beats per bar: one,two,three, anna,one,two,three, anna, ...
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Re: Theme of the Month for January 2013: Five Time Waltzes
« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2013, 05:55:59 PM »

Here's an eight time (123,123,12) waltz by the late Stephane Delicq.

'Les Amities'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd2JDYEJmrA

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Re: Theme of the Month for January 2013: Five Time Waltzes
« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2013, 08:42:47 PM »

Combining TOTM and ThOTM:  That Spirit will have to concentrate or she'll lose her step.
http://youtu.be/L3QeWBt5DMg
 

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Re: Theme of the Month for January 2013: Five Time Waltzes
« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2013, 09:34:57 PM »

here my contribution :
http://youtu.be/oGhhOU1trrM

not sure I made it really "danceable" as a waltz though ... I enjoyed playing it "funny" and lively !
Maybe I'll try to record another one (maybe by Stephane Delicq : he was really fond of "odd" crooked rythms, and there are plenty of things of that kind to get from him)

Well played. :|||:
This is another Zwiefacher probably from Westrich, Rheinland Pfalz. In Bayern it is known as "A oanzig's Hendl, a oanzig's Oa" which is "Ein einziges Hühnchen, ein einziges Ei" in Hochdeutsch which means "One single chicken, one single egg"

Here the Bavarian version:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aT_CyO8cQU&feature=player_embedded

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Re: Theme of the Month for January 2013: Five Time Waltzes
« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2013, 12:30:04 PM »

Just picking up on the usage of "crooked". This term is well established for tunes which have occasional extra beats, or missing beats.  I don't think it's helpful to use the same word for tunes in five where the bar  length is always the same.  If a word is needed a better one might be asymmetric to describe a bar which splits into two unequal parts.  This is not so unusual, after all polkas and rants split into 3 beats and two half length beats per bar: one,two,three, anna,one,two,three, anna, ...
"asymmetric" seems a right word  ;) we use this word too in France for this kind of rythm, or sometimes we say "impair" (which means "uneven" or "odd" ?)
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Re: Theme of the Month for January 2013: Five Time Waltzes
« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2013, 12:39:53 PM »



Well played. :|||:
This is another Zwiefacher probably from Westrich, Rheinland Pfalz. In Bayern it is known as "A oanzig's Hendl, a oanzig's Oa" which is "Ein einziges Hühnchen, ein einziges Ei" in Hochdeutsch which means "One single chicken, one single egg"

Louise
thank you ... the waltz is the same as Gary's ...
As for its origin, you are certainly right ...somebody told me it looks Alsacien (from Alsace, in France) which is not very far from Westrich  ;)
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Re: Theme of the Month for January 2013: Five Time Waltzes
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2013, 01:26:50 PM »

Here's one, allegedly German. I didn't like the look of it at first, being in A minor, but after working on it in E minor on my D/G box, once I could play it with any kind of rhythmic continuity the tune started coming to life...

http://youtu.be/7w7KVE4Z6cU

If I reverse the accidentals on my G/C box it would work nicely in the original key and less squeaky. Some reed hacking needed...
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Re: Theme of the Month for January 2013: Five Time Waltzes
« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2013, 01:46:15 PM »

That's great, Anahata.  The chords are very sweet, and I never once thought, "Oh, too squeeky."
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Re: Theme of the Month for January 2013: Five Time Waltzes
« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2013, 04:52:33 PM »

Here's one, allegedly German. .
http://youtu.be/7w7KVE4Z6cU
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I enjoyed hearing this played with gentle care and subtlety, and some lovely unexpected chords.  It's a no-name  that we tend to play fiercer and faster at the Bath French session, paired with Dancing on the Sea.   I learned it from Daniel Wolverson (fiddle/gurdy) who told me that it had been written by Chris Shaw, but maybe CS was a conduit not the fount.

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Re: Theme of the Month for January 2013: Five Time Waltzes
« Reply #38 on: January 05, 2013, 05:56:14 PM »

I'm too old for fast and ferocious  ;D
I have only a little experience of French dancing, and I know they like to take waltzes quite faster than most, but despite my tendency to play it faster if I wasn't careful, I couldn't make it feel very "waltzy".

A sample of the notation I used is here on abcnotation.com

From Bavaria, I see it says now.
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Re: Theme of the Month for January 2013: Five Time Waltzes
« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2013, 12:52:39 AM »

Learned this one this week.  A branle asymétrique in 5/4 by the amazing Alsatian duo Au Gre des Vent.  Boy, these cock-eyed meters take some hard thinking to learn.

http://accordeonaire.blogspot.com/2013/01/branle-asymetrique.html

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