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french cafe music
« on: January 28, 2013, 10:47:06 PM »

can somebody tell me how this  french sound is obtained on a two row melodeon,I Love the sound  attain it...Hubert,
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Re: french cafe music
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2013, 10:55:32 PM »

Waltzes in E minor are a good place to start (if playing D/G melodeon). Am on C/G or Dm on C/F.
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Re: french cafe music
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2013, 10:56:56 PM »

A three voice MMM wer tuned could sound more authentic.
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Re: french cafe music
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2013, 11:02:01 PM »

A three voice MMM wer tuned could sound more authentic.

Very true - my favourite boxes for the French stuff are both 3 voice, wet tuned - a Castagnari G/C Roma closely followed by a Hohner G/C Corso.
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Re: french cafe music
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2013, 11:42:08 PM »

Listen to any of the work of Emile Vacher - seminal French musette player who never changed from the diatonic system he started on like many of his contemporaries who shifted to the chromatic system.  There are some of his classics on youtube.

He plays an accordeon mixte system - G/C/B with stradella bass - apart from the stradella bass - it's not so different from our D/G/accidentals 2.5 row and 3 row instruments today.

And then boggle your mind over how he did it!
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Re: french cafe music
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2013, 03:01:13 AM »

I do a good bit of French musette on a B/C 3v box and usually use either MM or LM, which works well. M on its own is good dropped down the octave,

As Theo suggested M-MM+ would be one of the more traditional sounds for this music.

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Re: french cafe music
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2013, 03:03:28 AM »

Personally, I'm hooked on Satie (mostly club, but two-row works for some of the tunes too).  I haven't figured out a way to play the 3rd Gnossienne on box, though, so I've arranged it for anglo concertina.  (I'm sure it's easier on EC, but I eschewed that in favor of anglo, long ago...you win some, and you lose some...)
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Re: french cafe music
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2013, 01:19:36 PM »

Out of interest, what type of box do you play Hubert? i.e. tuning/type of reeds

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Re: french cafe music
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2013, 09:24:26 AM »

Anyone know a good source for this French cafe music in staff notation? (eg. free, on the internet)
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Re: french cafe music
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2013, 10:22:24 AM »

I haven't got a clue what "staff" notation means.
Can't resist sharing this great duet. 21 boutons also play it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_1Ocm4agI0
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Re: french cafe music
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2013, 10:56:50 AM »

I haven't got a clue what "staff" notation means.

Music on manuscript (the dots) is staff notation.

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Re: french cafe music
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2013, 11:54:21 AM »

Anyone know a good source for this French cafe music in staff notation? (eg. free, on the internet)

http://partitions-accordeon.com/
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Re: french cafe music
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2013, 03:09:35 PM »

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Wonderful, but sounds (deliciously) "dry" to me!

One of the mildly irritating things to me, is that whenever I play any tune to somebody on my melodeon, regardless on how non-French it is, they invariably comment on how it puts them in mind of a French cafe! This suggests to me that the average person can not hear beyond the "accordion stereotype."   :-\
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Re: french cafe music
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2013, 04:23:23 PM »

A three voice MMM wer tuned could sound more authentic.
Yes, I started out on a three-MMM Corso, and it really was distinctive and wonderful.
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Re: french cafe music
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2013, 05:10:51 PM »

I haven't got a clue what "staff" notation means.
Can't resist sharing this great duet. 21 boutons also play it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_1Ocm4agI0
Thanks, I was looking for that but only managed to find the version that goes from Am to A major.
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Re: french cafe music
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2013, 05:16:27 PM »

1. Play their Am waltzes as Em. Note that it'll commonly involve C (aeolian minor) rather than C# Dorian/Irish and that the chords may be softer. Harmonic minor is part of the sound B7. Amazingly 'standard issue' on a Uk d/G. Try the right hand F#m,b5 for both of these 'French' minors it is chord ii, and a doddle .. Pull any 4 adjacent G row notes. Just stick it in as a motif!

2 try the same on a G/C. That deep Am Is a big part of the sound.

Arpegiate your chords. French style is very chords! Think 'Accordeon' ;)
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Re: french cafe music
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2013, 05:47:00 PM »

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Re: french cafe music
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2013, 06:10:21 PM »

On peut s'en foutre de cela, mon copain!
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Re: french cafe music
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2013, 10:50:59 PM »


One of the mildly irritating things to me, is that whenever I play any tune to somebody on my melodeon, regardless on how non-French it is, they invariably comment on how it puts them in mind of a French cafe! This suggests to me that the average person can not hear beyond the "accordion stereotype."   :-\

Yup!  ::)
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« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2013, 12:00:53 AM »

Yup!  ::)

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