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Melodeon Jazz
« on: February 07, 2013, 08:21:17 PM »

I'm looking for some suggestions of good melodeon jazz/improv to listen to, youtube links, album suggestions, whatever. Would prefer 2-row semitone but I think that's possibly a very niche market so I'd be interested in any kind of jazz or improv'ed music played on a melodeon.

I think judging from reading previous posts Chris Ryall might have a lot to offer here but I figured I'd see what everyone else knows too.
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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2013, 09:31:55 PM »

Chris is definitely your man
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Re: Melodeon Jazz
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2013, 09:48:49 PM »

Try searching for stuff by B/C boy wonder Peter Browne. He was reportedly exploring jazzy stuff a while ago and I seem to recall listening to something on his myspace page.

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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2013, 10:50:52 PM »

Chris ,as Pikey says, is the chap for this topic. He may be otherwise occupied presently. From what I've seen (ie none!) semi tone 2 row box jazz is indeed a narrow field! Good luck, Bob.
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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2013, 11:32:25 PM »

Try searching for stuff by B/C boy wonder Peter Browne. He was reportedly exploring jazzy stuff a while ago and I seem to recall listening to something on his myspace page.

He's mad into it. I don't know if any of the best stuff is online or not. When I was about 16/17 I went to a life-changing gig, Peter Browne as support and Mairtin O'Connor as headline act. I recorded Peter playing Lady Be Good, Chick Corea's Spain and I think one other jazz tune and it was unreal. I'm not a fan of any cross-over stuff but when he played straight jazz it was brilliant. That gig sparked a lot of practicing - Peter was kind enough to give me a kind of one off lesson in which he showed me good practice techniques etc.

I'm sure I still have the gig on a minidisc at home.

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Re: Melodeon Jazz
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2013, 12:19:02 AM »

I'll look into Peter Browne. Hopefully I can find an album on amazon or somewhere similar.
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Re: Melodeon Jazz
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2013, 12:35:07 AM »

A J Castillo has some pretty hot licks on three row GCF:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVZ37zbmBx8
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2013, 12:38:30 AM »

more badass jazz stylings from A J Castillo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v3BgiOzNWI
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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2013, 12:40:50 AM »

no survey of diatonic accordion iprov would be complete without mentioning Hermeto Pascoal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxh6gbohJLs
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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2013, 12:57:19 AM »

I'll look into Peter Browne. Hopefully I can find an album on amazon or somewhere similar.
He's on a track or two of Oisin McAuley's album, he doesn't have a solo album out yet. Here's a great clip of himself and Tony Byrne playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJxjAh25Y_Q

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Re: Melodeon Jazz
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2013, 12:58:20 AM »

My own forays into the world of jazz began with the Hohner GCF:

http://libtrad.eu/mp3/AutumnLeaves_mixdown.mp3
http://libtrad.eu/mp3/Polkadots_and_Moonbeams.mp3

The starting point for any such journey is to have a thorough understanding of harmony, coupled with the ability to play any chord in any key. I devoted a great deal of time to developing this ability using three row instrument. I've shifted my focus to the semitone box. That which is lost in the ability to play big right hand chords is outweighed in the flexibility of easily playing in many different keys.
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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2013, 01:03:26 AM »

I'll look into Peter Browne. Hopefully I can find an album on amazon or somewhere similar.
He's on a track or two of Oisin McAuley's album, he doesn't have a solo album out yet. Here's a great clip of himself and Tony Byrne playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJxjAh25Y_Q

Nice. As Louis Balfour might say.
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Re: Melodeon Jazz
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2013, 10:29:52 AM »

Dermot Byrne with The Salsa Celtica Big Band

short and sweet


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0jwgZCWlZ4
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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2013, 11:06:33 AM »

I was going to suggest Mike as your man! He was an early role model to me wrt the blues side of "improvised" play (which is the "what it is about" in this)

I see you carry a halftone. "Ragtime" and "New Orleans" stuff is fine on any box as the improvised line is "in scale" but for the present style of play you are on a good instrument.

Post 1930 jazzers have increasingly played "out" for which you do need the chromatic facilities that your kit offers. The Bebop era offered increasingly complex chord lines, which I am pleased to say have absolutely nothing to do with the present style. Basically it's the modal "emphasis on a beautiful line" that  Davis, Coltrane et al pioneered about 1960. The Grenoble school (where I learned) apply this to a folk tune base and commonly one or two will chorus a solo within a piece. But they are equally happy doing a blues or (especially) a simple Breton rondeau.

It's all based on scales and their modes. For example you might set off from a simple tune in G, but using the D scale  .. starting on G. In so called Lydian mode the (folk-wise) unexpected C# gives a fresh jazzy lift, but that's all in the playing. 

People wanting to play a bit more "out" might change further notes. It's best to improvise "true" to your own scale rather than do this on the fly and a big source of stability are the modes of harmonic and melodic minors.  So let's now lose the sharp on that F. GABC#DEFG, it's actually 4th mode of D melodic minor, but for us "our chosen scale", or we could call it G Lydian b7.

Off you go .. Invent a nice line, and punctuate that with the (very necessary) silences to make it beautiful. Further phrase it by repetitions, and the odd quote so show you've a CD collection. Slip in that "REALLY out" stuff you've practiced the last month as the room comes to a dominant chord - and it only works if they simplify back to vamp and give you space!  That's it, you're improvising!

I've posted a few videos and field recordings here over the past 2 years and will pull these together later. Have also used the opportunity of some time off work to put my previous spreadsheet scale finder onto the web as http://squeezebox.chrisryall.net. Still a few buggettes, but already it will highlight all the common impro scales on any box. Needs more testing please!

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Re: Melodeon Jazz
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2013, 11:16:19 AM »

Norbert Pignol is also a nifty player of jazz riffs on diatonic boxes, as a solo artist, but also with his band Dedale.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq01sbQghM8

Plus the french band Ti Jaz are well worth seeking out, Breton music with a jazz twist, with Bernard Lasbleiz, I think he played a CBA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLWBBko1IaE

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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2013, 01:07:23 PM »

Dedale haven't really existed for a decade.  He plays solo and with lifelong partner in crime Stephane Milleret as MKF.  The latter have a "trio" CD out this month.
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Re: Melodeon Jazz
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2013, 01:14:35 PM »

Gotta go and see a nurse just now, will be back

There seems a surprising amount of theory to understand for Jazz.
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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2013, 01:45:21 PM »

Dedale haven't really existed for a decade.  He plays solo and with lifelong partner in crime Stephane Milleret as MKF.  The latter have a "trio" CD out this month.

I know, and it's a real; shame - I saw Dedale play the Lagrasse Bal in Languedoc for the Fete de St Jean, and also at Llantrisant Folk Club!  You might still be able to get hold of their CDs though.
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Re: Melodeon Jazz
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2013, 04:27:28 PM »

http://boutique.mustradem.com

.   .. and the price hasn't risen! Early ones ( at the bottom) are IMHO the best, and a bargain at 12 Eu even at present exchange rate  :|glug
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Re: Melodeon Jazz
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2013, 04:55:21 PM »

http://boutique.mustradem.com

.   .. and the price hasn't risen! Early ones ( at the bottom) are IMHO the best, and a bargain at 12 Eu even at present exchange rate  :|glug

Much of the current Mustradem output puts me in mind of early Gong (Angels Egg/Flying Teapot/Camembert Electique). Fohat Digs Holes in Space for TOTM?
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