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Tunes from Whitby Workshops
« on: August 27, 2013, 12:38:42 PM »

I promised to post some tunes from workshops I attended at Whitby last week for the benefit of those who attended the workshops but were not able to note down or remember all that was taught. I think I have noted them down as they were taught, but there may be errors of which I am unaware.

Attached to this post is Fox and Geese, as taught by Brian Peters.

I have explained the notation I use on several previous occasions, but if anyone has forgotten it or is new to the forum, please ask if you require anything elucidating.
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Re: Tunes from Whitby Workshops
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2013, 03:36:57 PM »

Thanks, Bob.  That's brilliant.
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Re: Tunes from Whitby Workshops
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2013, 03:47:40 PM »

Here is Matt Quinn's A Left Turn at Albuquerque.
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Re: Tunes from Whitby Workshops
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2013, 04:00:24 PM »

I have spent much of the afternoon trying to post the tune that Issy Emeney used in her workshop, but without success. It seems that for some reason Lucy Farr's Hornpipe can't get past the filter. Lester has already posted the ABC for this tune, but if you want a copy of the sheet music with Issy's bass accompaniment, it looks as though you will have to PM me with your e-mail address.
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Re: Tunes from Whitby Workshops
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2013, 04:33:51 PM »

I have spent much of the afternoon trying to post the tune that Issy Emeney used in her workshop, but without success. It seems that for some reason Lucy Farr's Hornpipe can't get past the filter. Lester has already posted the ABC for this tune, but if you want a copy of the sheet music with Issy's bass accompaniment, it looks as though you will have to PM me with your e-mail address.

Maybe be it's because it's Lucy Farr's Barn Dance  ;)

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Re: Tunes from Whitby Workshops
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2013, 05:24:26 PM »

Not Lucy Near?  ;)
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Re: Tunes from Whitby Workshops
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2013, 06:03:13 PM »

Thanks for the correction, Lester, but it certainly sounds like a hornpipe!
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Re: Tunes from Whitby Workshops
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2013, 09:21:11 PM »

The tune from Whitby Workshops that's going round my head relentlessly is the Helmsley Sword Dance tune - hypnotic and repetitious, but never boring, even after 27 repeats while we were teaching the dance. Does anyone know what it is called?
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Re: Tunes from Whitby Workshops
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2013, 09:27:16 PM »

The tune from Whitby Workshops that's going round my head relentlessly is the Helmsley Sword Dance tune - hypnotic and repetitious, but never boring, even after 27 repeats while we were teaching the dance. Does anyone know what it is called?

Was it this

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Re: Tunes from Whitby Workshops
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2013, 10:44:48 PM »

Thanks Lester, but it wasn't T'Owd Lass. It was this -

X:1
T:Helmsley Sword Dance
S: John Browell, musician to Spen Valley Longsword
M:2/2
R:Hypnotic triplets
K:G
d2GG2A|B2AB3|d2GG2A|B2BA3|d2GG2A|B2AB2c|d2ed2c|B2AG3||
dddd2c|B2cd3|e2ee2c|A2B cBA|GGG G2A|B2cd3|e2ee2c|A2B cBA|

 I've just abc'd this from John's dots and it sounds just as we played it!
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Re: Tunes from Whitby Workshops
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Re: Tunes from Whitby Workshops
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2013, 08:03:16 AM »

Thanks Lester, but it wasn't T'Owd Lass. It was this -

X:1
T:Helmsley Sword Dance
S: John Browell, musician to Spen Valley Longsword
M:2/2
R:Hypnotic triplets
K:G
d2GG2A|B2AB3|d2GG2A|B2BA3|d2GG2A|B2AB2c|d2ed2c|B2AG3||
dddd2c|B2cd3|e2ee2c|A2B cBA|GGG G2A|B2cd3|e2ee2c|A2B cBA|

 I've just abc'd this from John's dots and it sounds just as we played it!

John Browell, a name from the past ! Is he still around?
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Re: Tunes from Whitby Workshops
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2013, 09:16:39 AM »

Very much so Kev.  :||:  ;)
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Re: Tunes from Whitby Workshops
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2013, 10:41:20 AM »

I was intrigued by the comments about this piece, so looked at the abc's in dot form.
Not knowing this piece, I was puzzled by the time signature. Is there a meaningful difference between this written as 2/2 and played as triplets, compared with it as a 6/8 time sig?

From the dots alone, it sounds the same to me. Any thoughts?

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Re: Tunes from Whitby Workshops
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Re: Tunes from Whitby Workshops
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2013, 02:30:11 PM »

I was intrigued by the comments about this piece, so looked at the abc's in dot form.
Not knowing this piece, I was puzzled by the time signature. Is there a meaningful difference between this written as 2/2 and played as triplets, compared with it as a 6/8 time sig?

From the dots alone, it sounds the same to me. Any thoughts?

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It can't possibly be 2/2 as there are only 6 quavers to the bar. It's 6/8. (I suppose technically you could write it as 3/4, but the dynamics would be all wrong!)

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Re: Tunes from Whitby Workshops
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2013, 02:52:03 PM »

I was intrigued by the comments about this piece, so looked at the abc's in dot form.
Not knowing this piece, I was puzzled by the time signature. Is there a meaningful difference between this written as 2/2 and played as triplets, compared with it as a 6/8 time sig?

From the dots alone, it sounds the same to me. Any thoughts?

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It can't possibly be 2/2 as there are only 6 quavers to the bar. It's 6/8. (I suppose technically you could write it as 3/4, but the dynamics would be all wrong!)

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That was my initial thought, Graham - then I noticed that the time reference says "hypnotic triplets", so although they're not shown in the dots, my assumption was that this then gets to the right number in a bar. But then I couldn't understand if there's a practical difference between two triplets in 2/2 time, and the more conventional 6/8 time. (I agree - it's certainly not 3/4 time).

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Re: Tunes from Whitby Workshops
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2013, 03:31:23 PM »

I noticed that the time reference says "hypnotic triplets", so although they're not shown in the dots, my assumption was that this then gets to the right number in a bar.

Even then the triplets are wrong. If they are written with single tails like quavers, then there are three of them to a crotchet (USA: quarter note) so the time sig would have to be 2/4.

But that's still silly (not wrong, but simply unnecessary), because, as we all seem to agree, by convention 6/8 is used explicitly to define a two-beat rhythm as distinct from the three beat rhythm of 3/4.
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Re: Tunes from Whitby Workshops
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2013, 04:14:22 PM »

I noticed that the time reference says "hypnotic triplets", so although they're not shown in the dots, my assumption was that this then gets to the right number in a bar.

Even then the triplets are wrong. If they are written with single tails like quavers, then there are three of them to a crotchet (USA: quarter note) so the time sig would have to be 2/4.

But that's still silly (not wrong, but simply unnecessary), because, as we all seem to agree, by convention 6/8 is used explicitly to define a two-beat rhythm as distinct from the three beat rhythm of 3/4.

The triplet version would, I guess, be crotchets, rather than quaver triplets, but you're right, it's getting silly and unnecessary  ::)

All agreed then :) 6/8 it is, and the triplet version isn't really anything different. Thanks.  :|glug
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Re: Tunes from Whitby Workshops
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2013, 06:05:27 PM »

Up above there you have the M:2/2, with 6 quavers in the bar. Which you can't.
So you should have M:6/8 and get it over with.

However.

It sounds to me like a mash-up of Braes of Marr, which is in common time, so:-

X:2
T:Helmsley Sword Dance
S: John Browell, musician to Spen Valley Longsword
M:2/2     % or 4/4, 2/4 etc.
Q:1/4=120
R:Hypnotic triplets
Z:C.G.P.
K:G
d>GG>A B>AB2|d>GG>A B>AA2|d>GG>A B>AB2|d>ed>c B>AG2||
(3ddd d>c B>cd2|e>ee>c A>B (3cBA|(3GGG G>A B>cd2|e>ee>c A>B (3cBA|]

They both sound much the same when played by dance musicians, the only difference being whether you think one or the other is easier to read. Most of us are used to how schottisches go, so conventionally I would expect to see it in some common time, but it works in 6/8 if you think it makes the triplets look more hypnotic.
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