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Pala

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Lillibulero
« on: September 03, 2013, 11:17:19 AM »

Does anyone know where to find the music for the old tune Lillibulero? for B/C Melodeon and Mandolin preferably. Google is proving useless.

Thank you!

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Re: Lillibulero
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2013, 11:36:08 AM »

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Re: Lillibulero
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2013, 02:59:50 PM »

Just use Google to search for "lillibulero tune abc"  and you will find tons of examples.  It doesn't really matter what instrument it is for, the tune is the same.
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Re: Lillibulero
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2013, 03:11:39 PM »

And there's http://ecf-guest.mit.edu/~jc/cgi/abc/tunefind
Highly recommended.  :||:
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Re: Lillibulero
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2013, 03:48:40 PM »

And there's http://ecf-guest.mit.edu/~jc/cgi/abc/tunefind
Highly recommended.  :||:

For some reason I'm using http://www.folktunefinder.com a lot more these days.
Much prettier interface and seems just as good at finding the tunes.
Plus it has a "spell out a tune on the piano keyboard" feature which has occasionally been useful.
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Re: Lillibulero
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2013, 07:13:48 PM »

Cracking tune, as a tune. But be aware that the words sung to it in the late 17th Century, and sometimes still associated with the chorus/ B music were highly insulting anti-Catholic satire. Thus it had, and may still have, political ramifications. Of course there are other, more innocent, sets of words used to it (eg Nottingham Ale) and it used to feature as a BBC signature tune.
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Re: Lillibulero
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2013, 10:00:33 AM »

Thank you everyone! :)
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Re: Lillibulero
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2020, 06:59:04 PM »

Daddy Long Les adds a nice little part C to Lillibulero that I wasn't familiar with, despite me knowing the tune since I was young. Does anyone know of its provenance?
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Re: Lillibulero
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2020, 08:25:18 PM »

All I know is that it was the marching song of Cumberland's army....so never a big hit west of Kingussie.   (It probably wasn't hugely popular east of Kingussie either come to think of it).
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Re: Lillibulero
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2020, 09:29:37 PM »

It's the marching song of REME although they added something else to it.....  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb80GpfVMqQ
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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2020, 10:28:41 PM »

You asked about provenance. The tune is in Playford's Dancing Master, vol. 8 (London, 1690, p. 216)

However, according to the Encyclopedia Brittanica

"The earliest known printed version of the tune now associated with the words appeared in Robert Carr’s Delightful Companion (1686), for recorder or flute. The words, with the tune printed above, were issued on a single sheet in 1688; it was reprinted in a number of different collections during the next 100 years."

But, there is a an earlier reference to the tune in one of Shadwell's plays, "The Scowrers" written about 1670, which suggests that the tune was well known before this.  In the play, the character, Eugenia, says:

"...and another music-master from the next town, to teach one to twinkle out Lilliburlero  upon an old pair of virginals, that sound worse than a tinker's kettle that he cries his work upon".

This snippet is quoted in the the preliminary dissertation to the Skene manuscript, by William Dauney, (M.DCCC.XXXVIII, which I think is 1838), page 19.

It is better known, these days, as Rock A Bye Baby.

[Edit: I found this nugget a few minutes ago:

According to legend this tune first appears in 1641 in Ulster. Richard Talbot (1630-1691), a Catholic and royalist, had been made Earl of Tyrconnel after the Restoration and King James II later appointed him Lord Lieutenant of Ireland (1686). He pursued strong pro-Catholic policies. Even after James was deposed in England Tyrconnel governed Ireland in James' name. Irish Catholic forces were eventually defeated by William. English and Irish Protestants took up the song as their melody during that time.

The source quoted is Folk Songs of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales and Songs That Made History, Lesley Nelson-Burns
This is where I found this
https://www.contemplator.com/ireland/lilli.html  ]
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Re: Lillibulero
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2020, 10:52:43 PM »

It's the marching song of REME although they added something else to it.....  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb80GpfVMqQ
Aupres de ma Blonde, maybe.
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Re: Lillibulero
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2020, 11:41:28 PM »

I used to play it regularly on both DG and BCC# boxes but havnt played it for years.  Its a cracking tune  that hopefully will still be lurking somewhere in the grey matter. 

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Re: Lillibulero
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2020, 08:06:02 AM »

It's the marching song of REME although they added something else to it.....  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb80GpfVMqQ
It used to be the signature tune for the BBC World Service, and is stuck in my mind from hearing it, as a very young person, in pre-independence parts of Empire; Malaya, Singapore and Aden. Nowadays, I listen to the World Service occasionally, in the dead of night when  sleep is elusive, but I can't recall the last time I heard it on there. Perhaps they've dropped it, for some reason or the other.
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Re: Lillibulero
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2020, 08:22:06 AM »

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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2020, 09:09:27 AM »

Years ago went to my first Darlington Folk Works Weekend where John Kirkpatrick led a big band arrangement of this tune with 4 parts - including melodeons and harp Fantastic-  !
Think he also did a concert for the BBC with a rather more select band of musicians.
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Re: Lillibulero
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2020, 11:40:29 AM »

Not that it would necessarily be to the taste of Melodeon aficionado's, but Bellowheads version of the Curst Farmers Wife to the tune never fails to get the toes ( and everything else tapping )  The 1st May is always sad for the sake of their demise in our house.  And S.J. is on there, I think it is possible to hear the buttons clicking in one on-line offering.
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Re: Lillibulero
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2020, 07:52:28 PM »

Thanks all! As I say, it's a tune I've known for many years, and which I associate with the Williamite/Jacobite Wars (I grew up in the unionist community in Northern Ireland and this tune was never really part of the marching tradition, but was known from historical re-enactments and so forth).

I'm still wondering though about the Part C that Daddy Long Les plays (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfYFtIX-F_c), as I wasn't familiar with it, but its a cheery little extra that I like, and was wondering if it is traditional. Lillibulero's a tune I very much enjoy playing, though I appreciate its historical associations are complicated (but hopefully we can enjoy a tune in and of itself regardless of what lyrics have been put to it at one time or another).
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Re: Lillibulero
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2020, 09:30:58 PM »

"we can enjoy a tune in and of itself"

Of course we can! Well said.
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