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Why do I still make stupid mistakes then?
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Re: Why do I still make stupid mistakes the?
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2013, 03:24:49 PM »

You're right - doesn't help you avoid typos in the thread title.

Maybe it only works for pianists. They didn't use violinists because they were afraid they'd fiddle the results.
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Re: Why do I still make stupid mistakes then?
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2013, 08:35:11 PM »

ps That is a rhetorical question   ;)

Being in charitable mood, perhaps the title should be "Why do we..."  My excuse is the beer...

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Re: Why do I still make stupid mistakes then?
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2013, 09:51:27 PM »

I don't think I've ever played a tune without mistakes in it.
 Hopefully I get away with them. We're only human after all
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Re: Why do I still make stupid mistakes then?
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2013, 09:43:07 AM »

Don't forget that melodeon is not a REAL musical instrument  >:E
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Re: Why do I still make stupid mistakes then?
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2013, 10:24:50 AM »

Don't forget that melodeon is not a REAL musical instrument  >:E

And as a melodeon player, Ergo, I am not a real human. >:E
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Oh well go on then. Pikey?  ;D
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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2013, 11:21:35 AM »

I don't think I ever get through a tune without mistakes - my concentration is terrible. I start wondering what's for tea, what's the collective noun for echidnas, why did my French teacher hate me? Anything but what's the next note/phrase?

I went to see Andy Cutting solo last night and I'm pleased to annouce to you all that he made two mistakes. The rest was breathtakingly beautiful music. Genius.

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Re: Why do I still make stupid mistakes then?
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2013, 11:35:19 AM »

It reminds me of the morris idea - if dancing and you make a mistake, just keep going like it was meant to be 8)
I try to do the same on melodeon, but sometimes produce such utter clangers it's hard to maintain the tune  :|bl
....but I'm only a learner compared to the sages on here  ::)
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Re: Why do I still make stupid mistakes then?
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2013, 11:40:58 AM »

I start wondering what's the collective noun for echidnas,

Flock, herd or parade. Bu**er - now I've messed up that third bar again!  ;)
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Re: Why do I still make stupid mistakes then?
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2013, 12:07:04 PM »

I was politely told that my melodeon style was "Folk-Jazz improvisation", and that was before the beer.
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Re: Why do I still make stupid mistakes then?
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2013, 12:11:47 PM »

It's a terrifying thing, especially in Morris, normally there are four A's and four B's.
When playing at home one normally plays just two of each, because without the dancers the tune can become boring.
 So, at a gig and drifting off into home mode, you know you've cocked up by the totally confused look on the dancers faces and if the dance was "Black Joke" for instance a few broken arms would not be amiss.
I think there is a similar thread running about a certain violin player  >:E
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Re: Why do I still make stupid mistakes then?
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2013, 12:19:20 PM »

I've just come up with a spiffing wheeze - I've just made a new tune which has a chord (speaking loosely) with B, C and C# played at the same time!  I was trying to get the sound of a chainsaw into verge tune. Any genuine mistakes will pale into insignificance! 
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Re: Why do I still make stupid mistakes then?
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2013, 12:22:40 PM »

I've just come up with a spiffing wheeze - I've just made a new tune which has a chord (speaking loosely) with B, C and C# played at the same time!  I was trying to get the sound of a chainsaw into verge tune. Any genuine mistakes will pale into insignificance!

Sounds like massacre!
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Re: Why do I still make stupid mistakes then?
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2013, 12:47:07 PM »

I don't think I ever get through a tune without mistakes - my concentration is terrible. I start wondering what's for tea, what's the collective noun for echidnas, why did my French teacher hate me? Anything but what's the next note/phrase?

Martin

I too have to fight to concentrate, and to avoid falling into classic traps such as thinking about the next item that I'm going to play. Conversely, it's easier if there is something concrete to focus on, such as dancers. But I have another class of mistake where my fingers simply don't obey (picks up mouth organ.....)
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Re: Why do I still make stupid mistakes then?
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2013, 01:13:05 PM »

It's a terrifying thing, especially in Morris, normally there are four A's and four B's.
When playing at home one normally plays just two of each, because without the dancers the tune can become boring.
 So, at a gig and drifting off into home mode, you know you've cocked up by the totally confused look on the dancers faces and if the dance was "Black Joke" for instance a few broken arms would not be amiss.
I think there is a similar thread running about a certain violin player  >:E

I still wince at the memory of a morris show where the musician (not me - I was dancing!) played the right number of A musics for the figures and the correct number of B musics for the chorus. Unfortunately, they were the A & B music of two different tunes, and the dance we were doing had a different number of bars from the B music he was playing.........
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Re: Why do I still make stupid mistakes then?
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2013, 01:19:08 PM »

Don't forget that melodeon is not a REAL musical instrument  >:E

That's why melodionists can't play wrong notes. We just play the 'variations' neccessary to get us through the tune!
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Re: Why do I still make stupid mistakes then?
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2013, 02:00:57 PM »

It reminds me of the morris idea - if dancing and you make a mistake, just keep going like it was meant to be 8)

That's the essence of improvisation. Play a wrong note, then follow it with 8 bars of musical argument to prove that it was actually the right note.

to avoid falling into classic traps such as thinking about the next item that I'm going to play
Oh dear. I do that all the time. Is that bad?

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Re: Why do I still make stupid mistakes then?
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2013, 02:18:46 PM »



Oh dear. I do that all the time. Is that bad?
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Re: Why do I still make stupid mistakes then?
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2013, 05:29:08 PM »

I don't think I've ever played a tune without mistakes in it.
 Hopefully I get away with them. We're only human after all

I like the Muslim quote. Only Allah is perfect.   (:)
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Re: Why do I still make stupid mistakes then?
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2013, 06:26:55 PM »

I've just come up with a spiffing wheeze - I've just made a new tune which has a chord (speaking loosely) with B, C and C# played at the same time!  I was trying to get the sound of a chainsaw into verge tune. Any genuine mistakes will pale into insignificance!

I sometimes hit that sort of chord as a dominant, though apparently it gives some session players recurrent nightmares. Technically this chord (if we dare call it that) lies in the F blues scale. Were you playing in F, or more likely Bb? Otherwise … interesting >:E

@Martin, I watched Yehudi Menuhin play in 1973 at my college's 400 anniversary, and noted a couple of mistakes :o girlfriend who was doing music explained over post concert drinks that he'd broken a string in mid cadenza, and just carried on!
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